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Willias
Pancake
posted 09-20-2008 05:08:20 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr had this to say about Tron:
Yeah. Last night, we had a black orc, shaman and me beating on a warrior priest that was like a level or two below us.

We couldn't manage to kill him.

Guessing this will balance out as classes get mortal strike-like abilities.


That's pretty weird. 3 people on me, especially if one's a DPS class, and I start looking for help. (Rune Priest)

On the other hand, with an Ironbreaker guarding me, I successfully managed to tank, and survive, a team that was completely made up of Chaos Chosen.

Got over 30k healing that game!

quote:
We were all impressed when Mr. Parcelan wrote:
The current thought is that a lot of Order classes were buffed to compensate for the fact that there's less of them.

We have no mirror for the Ironbreaker, for example, and it's the most capable tank in the game.


I can agree with this. I'm not sure what can be done about it though, since Ironbreaker doesn't work anything like either of the two Destruction tanks.

quote:
The Bright Wizard tends to combust far less than a sorceress backlashes.

Wait, don't Combustion and Dark Magic work the exact same way? I'd imagine if Bright Wizards aren't getting as much feedback from their spells, then that's a bug.

Otherwise it's just luck.

quote:
The Swordmaster doesn't randomly lose abilities.

I guess a bug is the cause of this? Black Orc and Swordmaster abilities work the same pretty much.

quote:
The Witch Hunter's buffs last longer.

Not sure on this one, so correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't think Witch Elf and Witch Hunter special buff moves worked the same way.

Also, the Witch Elf has better tactics doesn't she?

quote:
For all that, however, I find they still can't play worth a damn. Order doesn't ever come out to fight unless the odds are overwhelmingly in their favor on our server. They have the patience of saints, just waiting for enough people to leave until they outnumber us 3:1, then they strike.

And God forbid you catch them flagged and running around. They'll run to the nearest NPCs with complete disregard for level or class balance. I've chased them all over Barak Varr as they tried to escape me.

Once the classes are balanced and we get our Blackguard, they're in for some shit.


That's going to vary from server to server. And if you tried to kill me as a Black Orc, I'd be interested in seeing how long you'd be willing to chase me before getting bored, because you sure as hell won't kill me any time soon. :V

Willias fucked around with this message on 09-20-2008 at 05:08 PM.

OrangeBrand
By a Truck
posted 09-20-2008 05:50:03 PM
I have not seen any of the issues you all talk about. Maybe it is just because I play on an open server. Flagging isnt an issue. You see someone you better kill them before there friends show up. Then when you do you better move cause there are coming back to look for you.

I have only seen 1 squig Herder on my server. He seemed to do okay. BW are not to common. Only seen 1 engineer. Tons of DE boobs flopping all over the place.

Nice to see all the issues every server is having. Destruction out numbers order in every event on my server, though most of the Order guilds are leet uber groups that migrate from game to game, vent and all.

I might take a trip to a core server just to see the difference. If you all make it out to Hochland open.. look me up (Tuefen - Lucid Visions)

SPELLCHECK is a four letter word.
nem-x
posted 09-20-2008 06:59:19 PM
Witch Elfs are vastly superior to witch hunters because they rely on procs instead of finishing moves. There's a tactic that make kisses have a 50% chance of proccing. On any melee hit. We dual wield. shit goes off like crazy
Nina
posted 09-20-2008 08:32:33 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr was listening to Cher while typing:
Yeah. Last night, we had a black orc, shaman and me beating on a warrior priest that was like a level or two below us.

We couldn't manage to kill him.

Guessing this will balance out as classes get mortal strike-like abilities.


Most likely you losers didn't notice the rune priest that was spamming the warrior priest with heals.

Willias
Pancake
posted 09-20-2008 08:34:29 PM

That was done by duoing over half their team in the tunnel.

It was awesome.

Later on in the game, I got targeted a lot by Witch Elves who would wait until I got a little low on health, and then burn me down with morale abilities. :(

Willias fucked around with this message on 09-20-2008 at 08:36 PM.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 09-20-2008 08:39:32 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Nina was all like:
Most likely you losers didn't notice the rune priest that was spamming the warrior priest with heals.

Nope, there wasn't one around.

Skaw
posted 09-20-2008 08:41:43 PM
I almost lost to a rank 11 Warrior Priest one on one with my rank 14 Magus. I had to resort to using Tzeentch's Grasp and DoTing him to wear down his AP pool.

In the field, not in an RvR area. Faggot tried to play opportunist as I left an RvR area.

Skaw fucked around with this message on 09-20-2008 at 08:42 PM.

Willias
Pancake
posted 09-20-2008 08:47:02 PM
I really dig the look of the Rune Priest class.

would have put this in last post, but too late to edit

quote:
Nina Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Most likely you losers didn't notice the rune priest that was spamming the warrior priest with heals.

Actually, if the warrior priest used his detaunt on the right guy, then he may have been able to heal all of the damage he was taking by himself.

For example, I can detaunt Black Orcs and almost completely ignore them. They become no threat.

I can take up to three people with no problem really. Unless theres a lot of damage involved, like say, a couple of marauders and a black orc or 3 black orcs all with 2 handers. That gets tricky.

Willias fucked around with this message on 09-20-2008 at 08:50 PM.

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 09-20-2008 10:05:25 PM
Had a massive (at least a full warband on each side) battle through Emskrank today. That was pretty awesome. The lack of a tank on Empire does kinda show, though, especially when you're getting mauled by Chosen all the fucking time.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 09-20-2008 10:40:48 PM
Tier 1 is pretty goofy.

But it just goes to show that a duo or more people that know what they're doing will almost always turn the tide.

Number 1 Poster
posted 09-20-2008 11:51:56 PM
I've dicked around all day today trying out all the classes and I am settling with Marauder. His run animation is so stupid.
Maradon!
posted 09-20-2008 11:58:41 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into I'm New who doth quote:
I've dicked around all day today trying out all the classes and I am settling with Marauder. His run animation is so stupid.

This.

I've never played an MMO where I've been so compelled to try every class, except maybe CoH/V

nem-x
posted 09-21-2008 06:51:12 AM
Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 09-21-2008 01:02:35 PM
Is there a way to put morale abilities on your hotbar?
Skaw
posted 09-21-2008 02:06:53 PM
quote:
Alidane had this to say about Tron:
Is there a way to put morale abilities on your hotbar?

No.

You can bind them to keys/buttons though.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 09-21-2008 02:47:20 PM
I love the Inevitable City, but seeing the areas for Khorne, Slaanesh, and Nurgle makes me wish that there was one class for each chaos god.
Skaw
posted 09-21-2008 02:55:58 PM
Slaanesh Chosen look badfuckingass. Those giant gaping, many jagged teeth containing mouths would be pretty intimidating if players had access to them.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 09-21-2008 04:23:30 PM
Yeah.. the fact it's Tzeentch-only for current Chosen has pretty much put me off playing. I've always played Khorne. I like to smash shit.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.

Talonus
Loner
posted 09-21-2008 04:54:46 PM
Tzneetch was pretty much the only Chaos god they could have chosen. Khorne meant no casters. Slaanesh wouldn't have fit with the age rating. Nurgle... would've just been too damned ugly.
I dun got banned
Pancake
posted 09-21-2008 05:09:51 PM
Should have been Tzeentch magus, Nurgle chosen, khorne marauders, and slaanesh zealots.
Talonus
Loner
posted 09-21-2008 05:40:59 PM
From a fluff standpoint, that doesn't work. The gods hate each other as well. That's why Chaos ends up fighting with the other factions in the game.
Number 1 Poster
posted 09-21-2008 06:05:37 PM
Monstrosity Marauders are best Marauders
nem-x
posted 09-21-2008 06:37:31 PM
i bet you faggots read the quest text too


faggots

Maradon!
posted 09-21-2008 07:05:51 PM
Reading the quest text and the chapter dialogue actually clues you in to hidden tome unlocks that are pretty cool.
nem-x
posted 09-21-2008 07:08:30 PM
Maradon!
posted 09-21-2008 10:05:34 PM
You know, you guys are right. Order does suck at rvr.
Damnati
Filthy
posted 09-21-2008 11:14:56 PM
Is there a good list anywhere of the current issues with the game? I'm kind of curious about it given what's been said in this thread.
Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Maradon!
posted 09-21-2008 11:20:42 PM
Is there an accurate list of issues with any MMO? Since when do developers fess up to balance issues before fixing them?
Damnati
Filthy
posted 09-22-2008 01:01:14 AM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Is there an accurate list of issues with any MMO? Since when do developers fess up to balance issues before fixing them?

Fans have been known to produce communal lists of complaints. Some of those can be decent or at least offer some clue as to what's up with the game in general.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

I dun got banned
Pancake
posted 09-22-2008 01:18:41 AM
quote:
Damnati had this to say about Duck Tales:
Fans have been known to produce communal lists of complaints. Some of those can be decent or at least offer some clue as to what's up with the game in general.

Game's been out less than a week.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 09-22-2008 02:52:32 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and I dun got banned was all like:
Game's been out less than a week.

Beta's been going for months. Given that the game has only been out a week with only beta's changes, I'm pretty sure some of the beta opinions will accurately reflect some of the problems. One way or another, does such a list exist or does anyone have a good handle on what sort of problems there might be right now? I'm just wondering in general what sort of problems the game has while I'm waiting for everyone from my guild to get into it.

Damnati fucked around with this message on 09-22-2008 at 02:53 AM.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 09-22-2008 02:55:16 AM
So far?

-Order classes are stronger than their Destro counterparts.
-Destro outnumbers Order on every server.
-People are stupid.
-Animations are slow.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 09-22-2008 04:06:19 AM
quote:
Talonus said:
From a fluff standpoint, that doesn't work. The gods hate each other as well. That's why Chaos ends up fighting with the other factions in the game.

Chaos will join together under a particularly strong leader, it's known as Chaos Undivided and was seen in the warband before the events in the video game "Mark of Chaos". It also appears in the 40k background when all four Chaos gods banded together behind Horus the betrayer.

It does happen. Just very.. very rarely. I think the only reason they picked Tzeentch is because in all the previous video games he's been more or less ignored.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 09-22-2008 04:14:56 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Mortious wrote:
Chaos will join together under a particularly strong leader, it's known as Chaos Undivided and was seen in the warband before the events in the video game "Mark of Chaos". It also appears in the 40k background when all four Chaos gods banded together behind Horus the betrayer.

It does happen. Just very.. very rarely. I think the only reason they picked Tzeentch is because in all the previous video games he's been more or less ignored.


Probably also because Tzeentch is the least offensive of them all.

Ravens and eyeballs aren't quite as disgusting as hermaphrodites, mass murderers and lepers.

nem-x
posted 09-22-2008 05:30:11 AM
nem-x
posted 09-22-2008 05:51:46 AM
Here's me on my mount


Here's me not on my mount


Here's me with the tactic slots of a level 40... at level 20


Bonus goon squad rape

Number 1 Poster
posted 09-22-2008 05:54:38 AM
poopsocker
Skaw
posted 09-22-2008 03:21:58 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Probably also because Tzeentch is the least offensive of them all.

Ravens and eyeballs aren't quite as disgusting as hermaphrodites, mass murderers and lepers.


Being a Minion of Tzeentch has taught me one thing...


We now know what god Obama follows, what with his constant talk of Change.

Nina
posted 09-22-2008 08:16:41 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
-Order classes are stronger than their Destro counterparts.

Horse shit.

Marauder vs White Lion?
Witch Elf vs Witch Hunter?
Swordmaster vs Black Orc?

Equivalents aren't 100% balanced, but it works both ways. You Destruction hicks are just coming up with excuses for getting trounced by an outnumbered enemy.

I dun got banned
Pancake
posted 09-22-2008 09:34:32 PM
Order classes generally are more powerful than their Destro equivalents (if they even have a mirror... fucking OP Ironbreakers) but the biggest problem is that Destro attracts all kinds of retards. There are exceptions, but the vast majority of people I've seen in RvR (both scenarios and battlegrounds) are as follows:

Black Orc - "Oh boy, I'm an armor-clad badass! Now all I need to do is sacrifice my incredible defensive ability in exchange for mediocre DPS by using a great weapon! Also, taunts and any skills that don't do direct damage are for losers!"

Shaman - "Pew pew green laser beams pew pew. Heals? What are those?"

Squig Herder - These don't exist

Chosen - See Black Orc

Marauder - "Wowee, I have a cool arm and some great offense! Time to charge blindly through a group of bright wizards to wail on the tank! Why would I bother going around to get their healers? That would involve some sort of guile or cunning."

Zealots - Don't exist

Magus - Summon daemon and run away. Do not cast a single spell. Surfs up.

Sorceress - Hang back at the very edge of the skirmish lest you be attacked. NEVER under any circumstances advance forward or cast a spell unless there is only one or two enemy left, and only then if it's a healer. OR Delete Dhar Wind from your hotbar and blow yourself up with backlash as you struggle to blast the tank using shield wall.

Witch Elf - See Marauder, minus cool arm

Disciple of Khaine - "Oh wow I'm a dark elf with two swords I'm just like Drizzt this is soooo cool. I don't know why my allies keep getting killed though, I'm trying hard to use my slash ability over and over against the enemies, but it's not helping enough. I also don't understand why my groupmates keep asking for heals, I don't have those."

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