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Topic: The definitive BC thread
Mr. Parcelan
posted 01-19-2007 04:13:58 PM
quote:
Blindy. said this about your mom:
Rogues don't solo several mobs at once very well... but i wouldn't say they solo very, very poorly.

My rogue (which I admittedly played a long time ago) was basically a crapshoot when it came to soloing: armor was so low I could barely survive most fights.

Maybe my gear just sucked, though.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 01-19-2007 04:14:00 PM
quote:
Blindy. stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Rogues don't solo several mobs at once very well... but i wouldn't say they solo very, very poorly.

Subt or Assassins maybe... Combat Rogues do it just fine. Or at least I do.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Maradon!
posted 01-19-2007 04:18:25 PM
quote:
Blindy.ing:
Rogues don't solo several mobs at once very well... but i wouldn't say they solo very, very poorly.

Yeah that's pretty much what I meant.

Willias
Pancake
posted 01-19-2007 04:28:10 PM
quote:
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Subt or Assassins maybe... Combat Rogues do it just fine. Or at least I do.

Didn't have problems as a backstab/ambush rogue here.

Adds made things tricky, but with Imp Sap, those didn't happen often.

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 01-19-2007 06:39:45 PM
Hey, I just had to reinstall WoW and BC-- does anyone know a way I can download the patches faster than through WoW?
"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 01-19-2007 08:03:53 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Willias wrote:
Didn't have problems as a backstab/ambush rogue here.

Adds made things tricky, but with Imp Sap, those didn't happen often.


I never could get Backstab/Ambush to compare in damage to what my Combat setup did unless it was during a Vael fight. I've heard good things but the random burst effect was too annoying for my tastes.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Greenlit
posted 01-19-2007 08:13:36 PM
Back in the good ole days, it was Go Combat or Go Home for level grinding. Ambush/backstab required too much of a talent investment, and the BS/Gouge cycle was just too slow compared to spamming SS until your eyes bled. Not to mention the unavailability of good daggers.

But now I hear even a Hemorrhage build can grind well. Goddamned kids, they're all spoiled.

Led
*kaboom*
posted 01-19-2007 09:44:17 PM
Finally hit 59 and went to outland. Wow, the sky is pretty ;P

With all the gear I have been buying off of the AH, I have 5200hp unbuffed, and 1300ap selfbuffed. Pretty spiffy for only a bunch of greens ^-^

I also had an opportunity to get into a ramparts group. It was slow going, as we kinda lacked DPS, the level 61 main tank was terrible and had worse gear than me x_x After a bunch of shenannigans, I ended up the main tank and tanked the rest of the stuff. I even won that neckpiece off of the demon guy

The final boss, however, owned us hard. Kept resisting my taunts and would just blast all my HP right off with fire damage stuff >.< Ate the rest of the group shortly thereafter.

Oh wells!

I got over a third of level 59 knocked out in that one crappy run o_O

Led
*kaboom*
posted 01-20-2007 06:17:08 AM
Blood elves are tiny.

Blackened
posted 01-20-2007 10:06:28 AM
I WANT MY BLOOD ELF WARRIOR GODDAMMIT


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 01-20-2007 01:43:27 PM
Best you get is a BE paladin.

Take it.
Take it and like it.

Blackened
posted 01-20-2007 06:02:44 PM
quote:
Xyrra.
Best you get is a BE paladin.

Take it.
Take it and like it.


I will most certainly not like it

Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 01-20-2007 11:42:43 PM
quote:
Tribute? You steal men's Random Insanity Generators, and make them your slaves!
So far I'm pulling off things with a low level shaman that I can only duplicate with a Rogue. Not quite as efficiently at times (that whole Mana bar thing sucks) but walking away from multi-higher-level-target fights is still nice.

And no, I haven't uber-pimped the character either. Just the quest rewards (which do seem to be a bit overpowered in comparison)


Haha, what? The only time I walk away from multi-higher-level-target fights is because I vanish.

I don't know if you've played this game in...ever...but Rogues are the bottom of the totem pole as far as class power goes duder.

I am absolutely in love with Shadowstep, though.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Led
*kaboom*
posted 01-21-2007 12:09:51 AM
Uh, yeah, this thing is only slightly ridiculously huge

I like my new toy It is twice as tall as me! Elves and things just run away when they see it... cannot wait to try it out with a firewater buff ;D

Vin~
Crack Dealer
First One's Free!
posted 01-21-2007 01:41:12 AM


Annarchae fucked around with this message on 01-21-2007 at 01:45 AM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 01-21-2007 04:06:56 AM
I had some issues about the lore of the Burning Crusade and, frankly, I still think the justification for the Draenei is retarded as all get out.

But I am coming to like this whole Blood Elf stealing the Light business.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 01-21-2007 06:14:19 AM
Sylvanas is still a Night Elf model. Meh. =/
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Maradon!
posted 01-21-2007 07:56:52 AM
quote:
Tarquinning:
Sylvanas is still a Night Elf model. Meh. =/

huh? no, she has a unique model

Talonus
Loner
posted 01-21-2007 09:48:15 AM
I'm waiting for the nerfbat to hit druids hard sometime soon. I'm having fun tanking better than warriors and putting out better damage than pretty much everyone (in bear form might I add) but, unless we get worse at higher levels, druids need to be hit with the nerfbat hard.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 01-21-2007 10:35:52 AM
quote:
Talonus said this about your mom:
I'm waiting for the nerfbat to hit druids hard sometime soon. I'm having fun tanking better than warriors and putting out better damage than pretty much everyone (in bear form might I add) but, unless we get worse at higher levels, druids need to be hit with the nerfbat hard.

I notice that it tends to go in a cycle. Hunter and Warlock populations were a little depressed earlier, now they're all over the place. Once Druids become the tough guys, it'll get better.

I hear Gift of Naaru is also being nerfed.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 01-21-2007 11:07:34 AM
quote:
Maradon! wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
huh? no, she has a unique model

Yeah, but that model looks much more like a NE than a HE (BE).
Especially the size and the ears.

Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 01-21-2007 at 11:09 AM.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Led
*kaboom*
posted 01-21-2007 11:10:44 AM
quote:
Talonus had this to say about Optimus Prime:
I'm waiting for the nerfbat to hit druids hard sometime soon. I'm having fun tanking better than warriors and putting out better damage than pretty much everyone (in bear form might I add) but, unless we get worse at higher levels, druids need to be hit with the nerfbat hard.

This is true, druids do hold aggro better than warriors do. So do hunter pets, annoyingly enough.

Trick is to use them. Let the druid and hunter pet offtank a mob, I tank the rest Also, a lot of feral druids just want to DPS in cat form anyways.

Talonus
Loner
posted 01-21-2007 11:44:06 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Mr. Parcelan said:
I notice that it tends to go in a cycle. Hunter and Warlock populations were a little depressed earlier, now they're all over the place. Once Druids become the tough guys, it'll get better.

While I'd say warlocks were a bit overpowered, I never thought hunters were too overpowered. They're just good in the BGs, which is where the majority of people were playing prior to BC.

Druids are getting to be a different level of overpowered though.

quote:
Led had this to say about John Romero:
Trick is to use them. Let the druid and hunter pet offtank a mob, I tank the rest Also, a lot of feral druids just want to DPS in cat form anyways.

In groups where I'm with a warrior, it seems to normally be the opposite. I tank as many mobs as possible, with warrior/pets offtanking what I can't get. Its actually better this way, as a druid will gain rage much faster and do far more damage if they can swipe three-four mobs at once. If only they hadn't nerfed swipe threat...

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-21-2007 02:50:31 PM
I don't want to be nerfed.
Malkav
C'mon, fear the fangs... plz
posted 01-21-2007 03:27:13 PM
Judging from the patch that went on test today next on the nerf list are MM hunters and mages. They dropd down the damage on Silencing Shot, Arcane Shot, and Barrage, and the Imp. Barrage Talent, and for mages they made the imp. frostbolt and fireball talents lower +damage scaling by 10%.
Silently, the unnamed Senshi drew a small jewel-hilted athame from some form of pocket-space, and lightly ran it across the back of her left hand. Good, she wasn't one of those fools that slashed their palm open whenever one of the various reasons to use blood arose. I did the same with my own vorpal-bladed athame. It was a much plainer affair than my counterpart's, but I bet hers couldn't call up a higher-level demon just by carving a smiley face in the ground.
-Ranma in Can it get any worse by Dark Phoenix
Willias
Pancake
posted 01-21-2007 03:35:23 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
I hear Gift of Naaru is also being nerfed.

The only reason I can think of why they'd nerf it is because it is apparently affected by +healing.

Blackened
posted 01-21-2007 04:37:34 PM
No I really don't think she has a unique model. It's a scaled up night elf with some armor slapped on. I'm not even sure if the facial texture is unique to her.


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Alaan
posted 01-21-2007 06:41:29 PM
I thank the expansion for screwing up the mining economy and giving me a level 12 with nearly 10g just from his own work.
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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 01-21-2007 08:37:17 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Willias said:
The only reason I can think of why they'd nerf it is because it is apparently affected by +healing.

I'm kinda split on nerfing that if it's true....

Although I think that it should scale a bit differently based on Class. Healing classes get more HP/Level added vs Melee classes. But that's just me.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Taeldian
Pancake
posted 01-21-2007 10:50:23 PM
quote:
Malkav got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Judging from the patch that went on test today next on the nerf list are MM hunters and mages. They dropd down the damage on Silencing Shot, Arcane Shot, and Barrage, and the Imp. Barrage Talent, and for mages they made the imp. frostbolt and fireball talents lower +damage scaling by 10%.
Luckily, Mages are getting Counterspell taken back off the GCD, and Mana Shield is going to absorb all types of damage now.

Fair trade.

Taeldian fucked around with this message on 01-21-2007 at 10:51 PM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 01-21-2007 11:04:46 PM
quote:
Taeldian spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Luckily, Mages are getting Counterspell taken back off the GCD, and Mana Shield is going to absorb all types of damage now.

Fair trade.


Is there a new list of patch notes out?

Talonus
Loner
posted 01-21-2007 11:24:54 PM
quote:
Hunters

* "Silencing Shot" now does only 50% of weapon damage instead of 75%.
* The base damage for "Arcane Shot" has been reduced by about 9% and the bonus damage from ranged attack power reduced from 20% to 15%.
* The bonus damage for "Barrage" is now 4/8/12% for ranks 1/2/3.
* The bonus damage for "Improved Barrage" is now 4/8/12% for ranks 1/2/3.

Mages

* Each rank of "Improved Fireball" now reduces your spell damage coefficient by 2%.
* Each rank of "Improved Frostbolt" now reduces your spell damage coefficient by 2%.
* "Counterspell" no longer triggers the global cooldown.
* "Mana Shield" now absorbs magical damage as well as physical damage.

Priests

* The bonus coefficient for "Shadow Word: Pain" has been reduced by about 9%. This should result in about 5% less damage done by "Shadow Word: Pain" for the typical priest.

Bug Fixes

* The "Frozen Shadoweave Boots" will now properly increase shadow damage.
* Players will no longer lose control of their character if they tryto talk to an NPC while mobs are aggro on them.
* The /equip command will now work on pieces of gear that are not in your primary bag.
* Fixed an issue that was causing some players to disconnect in Hellfire Citadel:Blood Furnace.
* The "Corruptor" 4 piece set bonus will now be properly applied.
* The Legion Fel Cannons at Forge Camp Anger in Blades Edge will now properly spawn above ground.
* The Arena queue tooltip will now show the arena that the player is queued for.
* Fixed an error that was causing players to disconnect if they tried to socket a gem that had been gift wrapped.
* Fixed an error that was causing players to disconnect forming a party with other members in the same area.
* Pet icons will now properly update in the Stables window.Improved the robustness of the pet action bar display. It is now less likely to be accidentally blocked by addons.
* Players will no longer hear the gong sound repeated after initially joining a queue for the battlegrounds.
* Having a group invite declined while queued via "Looking for More" will no longer remove you from the queue.
* Nethershards will no longer cost honor to purchase but will cost gold instead.
* Players will no longer be given access to both quest lines followingthe Declaration of Allegiance to the Scryers or Aldor in Shattrath City.


Mr. Parcelan
posted 01-21-2007 11:39:31 PM
That's pretty good. It may reduce the Hunter bloated population a little.
Blackened
posted 01-22-2007 07:13:04 AM
Any smart hunter will realize that this is hardly a nerf. So would any "smart WoW player" but haha see what I did there

Arcane shot damage reduced oh noeesss. Good thing Steady Shot is practically already replacing it. Arcane shot is still ridiculously sweet paired with freeze trap and aimed shot for massive burst damage you can't do shit about.

The silencing shot "nerf" is also hilarious. It's like Blizzard did that just to see how gullible the fan base is. The power behind Silencing Shot is not that it does damage - you could have it do no damage at all and it's still be insanely useful in PvP. Pretty much the only way that silencing shot is even balanced with a Hunter is that it's a 41 point talent.

Overall, I'm happy if this wards off other people from rolling/leveling their hunter. Less alliance Hunters I'll have to worry about as I'm leveling mine.


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 01-22-2007 07:13:48 AM
I look at the mage changes and cheer. Sometimes I love being an Arcanist.

And in response to the "Rogues don't solo multiple higher level mobs", I just ran 60 to 61 and routinely took on multiple 63's at the same time willingly. It's just not that hard to do. Walking away from a fight with 2 62's, 2 61's and a 60 was a little hairy though. And of course they decide to fix the "below the world" cannons after I've done that quest. Bastards.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 01-22-2007 07:15:07 AM
quote:
Blackened wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
The silencing shot "nerf" is also hilarious. It's like Blizzard did that just to see how gullible the fan base is. The power behind Silencing Shot is not that it does damage - you could have it do no damage at all and it's still be insanely useful in PvP. Pretty much the only way that silencing shot is even balanced with a Hunter is that it's a 41 point talent.

Between that and Shadowstepping Rogues my Mage doesn't last long in a BG.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Blackened
posted 01-22-2007 07:20:24 AM
quote:
Random Insanity Generator.
Between that and Shadowstepping Rogues my Mage doesn't last long in a BG.
how about you toss that WORTHLESS FUCKING SPEC

please do not tell me you are 41 points into arcane


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Greenlit
posted 01-22-2007 07:23:35 AM
quote:
Random Insanity Generator had this to say about (_|_):
I look at the mage changes and cheer. Sometimes I love being an Arcanist.

quote:
Random Insanity Generator said this about your mom:
Between that and Shadowstepping Rogues my Mage doesn't last long in a BG.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 01-22-2007 09:46:37 AM
quote:
Blackened got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
how about you toss that WORTHLESS FUCKING SPEC

please do not tell me you are 41 points into arcane


If I wanted to be PVP I'd be in Fire and Ice.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Blackened
posted 01-22-2007 10:19:12 AM
quote:
Random Insanity Generator.
If I wanted to be PVP I'd be in Fire and Ice.
Okay then you really have no ground to bitch about sucking in PvP if you don't want to spec for it

Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
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