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Mr. Gainsborough had this to say about Captain Planet:

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Sentow, Maybe stares at this site way too much:
Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is too sudden. He is genuinely torn and confused at first, but by the time he goes to the Jedi temple he's pretty much turned fully to evil. Eh?
Furthermore, to achieve the appropriate emotional impact, Anakin should have killed Mace Windu himself rather than (cough) disarming him and letting Sidious finish the job.

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I seem to remember in Zahn's trilogy Thrawn mentioning that Palpatine used a form of mind control to enhance the capabilities of his soldiers there, and that was why his death was crippling to the forces there. I used that as justifacation for Anakin's quick turn to the Dark Side: Palpatine was turning him by force of will.

Also, I liked Obi-wan's comment on blasters being uncivilized weapons. A nice throwback to A New Hope

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Entertain me with more of your bullshit, Tegadil.
I seem to remember in Zahn's trilogy Thrawn mentioning that Palpatine used a form of mind control to enhance the capabilities of his soldiers there, and that was why his death was crippling to the forces there. I used that as justifacation for Anakin's quick turn to the Dark Side: Palpatine was turning him by force of will.

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Palpatine guided larger battles (Endor, most prominently) with the Force; think Bastila from KOTOR. When Anakin killed him, the link was severed and it suddenly became the Rebels vs X number of independant ships, not the whole Empire.

That's the whole reason for the cloning of Jorus C'boaath (I can't spell that motherfucker's name), to give Thrawn a means of emulating Palpatine as closely as possible.

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Gunslinger Moogle got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:

Also, there were a bunch of little kids dressed as Jedi. They weren't in the same theater as us though. I can't help imagining that they left crying

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This made me laugh. Overall it was a rather enjoyable movie, much better than the first two, made me want to play SWG again.

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Tegadil had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I seem to remember in Zahn's trilogy Thrawn mentioning that Palpatine used a form of mind control to enhance the capabilities of his soldiers there, and that was why his death was crippling to the forces there. I used that as justifacation for Anakin's quick turn to the Dark Side: Palpatine was turning him by force of will.

Also, I liked Obi-wan's comment on blasters being uncivilized weapons. A nice throwback to A New Hope

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Yeah, that part was great.

Oh, I've got a couple questions for anyone discussion minded:

1. So did Plagueris (is that how we're spelling it?) "create" Anakin? There was all that talk about "influencing medichlorians to create life"

2. To go along with that...were we all wrong about the medichlorians being a consequence of and not the cause of having the force? Do they cause the force or are they caused by the force? The fact that they can be influenced to create life would suggest that the little buggers create the force...

3. Are we to assume Sifo was just some plot device Jedi or an actual character? Was Sifo Palpatine?

OtakuPenguin fucked around with this message on 05-20-2005 at 01:46 AM.

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OtakuPenguin had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Yeah, that part was great.

Oh, I've got a couple questions for anyone discussion minded:

1. So did Plagueris (is that how we're spelling it?) "create" Anakin? There was all that talk about "influencing medichlorians to create life"

2. To go along with that...were we all wrong about the medichlorians being a consequence of and not the cause of having the force? Do they cause the force or are they caused by the force? The fact that they can be influenced to create life would suggest that the little buggers create the force...

3. Are we to assume Sifo was just some plot device Jedi or an actual character? Was Sifo Palpatine?

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I think all of Palpatine's talk about creating life and immortality is a bunch of BS to sway Anakin to the Dark Side. However, assuming it's true:

1. Plagus, I think. I didn't even consider this link until you mentioned it. It's a neat idea, but there isn't enough evidence to support it.

2. I took the line to mean that Darth Plagus manipulated the midichlorians (argh) in his own body to create life somehow. OTOH, the Force affects every living thing, so it's possible that midichlorians (argh) in other beings were being manipulated.

3. No one ever comes out and says it, but it's a safe bet that both Sifo's identity and life were taken by Sidious. Some exposition on this little mystery would have been nice =\

Of course, it could all just be a big 'ole plot hole

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Sentow, Maybe had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I think all of Palpatine's talk about creating life and immortality is a bunch of BS to sway Anakin to the Dark Side. However, assuming it's true:

1. Plagus, I think. I didn't even consider this link until you mentioned it. It's a neat idea, but there isn't enough evidence to support it.

2. I took the line to mean that Darth Plagus manipulated the midichlorians (argh) in his own body to create life somehow. OTOH, the Force affects every living thing, so it's possible that midichlorians (argh) in other beings were being manipulated.

3. No one ever comes out and says it, but it's a safe bet that both Sifo's identity and life were taken by Sidious. Some exposition on this little mystery would have been nice =\

Of course, it could all just be a big 'ole plot hole

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My friends and I always wanted to think Sifo was Qui'Gon...because they distinctly say 10 years twice in Episode 2, we thought they were hinting at that. But I think we're just supposed to assume it was Sideous.

Does the novelization explain Sifo any better? Anyone?

I liked the movie alot, but it did seem rushed, and some of the lines were so bad it made some of the good actors seem bad. Overall, very good movie.

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Nobody really understood why Nae wrote:
I thought it was Dooku. Since he was a former Jedi and had access to the Jedi's archives. I think that Palpatine set him on the path to order the clones and pose as someone that was already dead.

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Nah, I don't think that's the case. When Obi-Wan is on Kamino, he mentions Sifo to Jango Fett. Fett says something like, "I've never heard of him. I was recruited by a man named Tyrannus." Darth Tyrannus is Count Dooku's Sith name (and why he doesn't go by that instead of the dubious moniker Dooku is beyound me ).

Anyway, the point is that I don't see any reason for Dooku to tell the Kaminoans he's Sifo and Fett that he's Tyrannus; I'm pretty sure there were two different people involved in the creation of the clone army.

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Sentow, Maybe wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Nah, I don't think that's the case. When Obi-Wan is on Kamino, he mentions Sifo to Jango Fett. Fett says something like, "I've never heard of him. I was recruited by a man named Tyrannus." Darth Tyrannus is Count Dooku's Sith name (and why he doesn't go by that instead of the dubious moniker Dooku is beyound me ).

Anyway, the point is that I don't see any reason for Dooku to tell the Kaminoans he's Sifo and Fett that he's Tyrannus; I'm pretty sure there were two different people involved in the creation of the clone army.

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Dooku had access to the archives, Palpatine didn't. I think that Dooku did it under orders by Palpatine.

As far as what Jango Fett said, I thought he was talking about who hired him to kill Amidala. That *was* Dooku.

Even though he ended up agreeing with me in point because he never bought it.

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Alaan had this to say about Knight Rider:
One complaint I haven't seen(or missed) is that all the Jedi Masters fell way too easily. Alright, some had a decent ambush. But the one turned around, started deflecting blasters, and then just got shot. It wasn't even a massive group of Clone Troopers.

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Clone Troopers are actually pretty good shots.

Why they replaced them with Storm Troopers I'll never know.

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There was much rejoicing when JooJooFlop said this:

Why they replaced them with Storm Troopers I'll never know.

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It's cheaper.

Edit: And quicker.

Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 05-20-2005 at 12:56 PM.

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ACES! Another post by JooJooFlop:
Clone Troopers are actually pretty good shots.

Why they replaced them with Storm Troopers I'll never know.

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Probably due to shortened life spans from the rapid aging process in the Clones. It's been 20 years give or take a few since the end of the Clone War. That would put most of the Clones around their early 50s or late 40s even if they aged normally.

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Check out the big brain on Mortious!
Waisz put me on ignore because I made fun of that car he was buying.

Even though he ended up agreeing with me in point because he never bought it.

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Actually, it's because you were being an asshole in general.

You were going into every thread and saying "X sucks."

Then you told Monica that her dog looked like mangy crap after she said she'd be putting it down.

I'm not really interested in reading your series of assholish posts, thanks.

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OtakuPenguin had this to say about Punky Brewster:
My friends and I always wanted to think Sifo was Qui'Gon...because they distinctly say 10 years twice in Episode 2, we thought they were hinting at that. But I think we're just supposed to assume it was Sideous.

Does the novelization explain Sifo any better? Anyone?

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No mention of Sifo at all in the Novel from what I can recall. Sorry

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Snugglits said:
Then you told Monica that her dog looked like mangy crap after she said she'd be putting it down.

I'm not really interested in reading your series of assholish posts, thanks.

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You missed the post where I apologised because I missed the part where she said she put it down.

Oho, now don't you feel silly.

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Alaan's momma typed this shizzle:
One complaint I haven't seen(or missed) is that all the Jedi Masters fell way too easily. Alright, some had a decent ambush. But the one turned around, started deflecting blasters, and then just got shot. It wasn't even a massive group of Clone Troopers.

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The planet where that Twi'lek Jedi died was just so astoundingly beautiful. Aesthetically, I think it is the best thing that has ever been done with computer graphics.

Anyways, the insinuation in some of the stuff I've read has been that Palpatine has gone through several apprentices waiting for the right one to crop up. I remember reading somewhere that he had at least one before Maul. Maul was going to be his "easily controlled Dark Lord" originally. He was young, vibrant, easy for Sidious to control due to the particularly brutal manner of his education in the Dark Side, etc. But then he got wasted. So he turned to a "fallen Jedi" aka Count Dooku, who could be lured to the Dark Side. But Dooku was a means to an end; he was far too old to take over, and was really just waiting for the proper person to take him out. On the other hand, he was an extremely useful tool, both politically, and as a means of recruiting dark side adepts (such as Asaaji Ventriss), and to train people Sidious can't directly get involved with himself (such as Grievous, who we found out Dooku also trained, although Grievous was not himself ever force-sensitive; his ability to wield lightsabers is born entirely of brain enhancing implants). But while Dooku was useful, he was also of limited use. Especially given the fact that Palpatine had bumped into young Anakin, who was mainlining the Force, essentially.

Ultimately, however, as I understand it, Vader is limited by the damage done to him. Supposedly he can't wield force lightning (for instance)due to his artificial arms, and breach his suit (granted, not an easy task) and he goes down pretty quick. Vader IS powerful, but not as powerful, ultimately, as someone like Luke would become. Best option at the time, but when Palpatine caught wind of Luke, he started laying plans to turn Luke, even if it meant replacing Vader.

Of course there are people out there who think Anakin didn't bring balance to the Force.

And Deth, it is Sifo Dius. They spelled it out in the novel by R. A. Salvatore. The way I see it, he was Palpatine. Sifo Dius = Sidious ohoho so clevar!

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From the book of Mortious, chapter 3, verse 16:
You missed the post where I apologised because I missed the part where she said she put it down.

Oho, now don't you feel silly.

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I missed that post.

I think you just editted a different post.

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Mortious spewed forth this undeniable truth:
You missed the post where I apologised because I missed the part where she said she put it down.

Oho, now don't you feel silly.

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I believe you acknowledged that you missed that part but you never actually apologized.

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It is immortality of a sort. Kaglaaz How'ler is immortality of a sort.
One thing the book states when Vader goes into his rage (Noooooooooo!) and crushes everything around him, is that the target is Sidious but he is unable to harm him due to Sidious being his new Master. The intent is in his heart, but he is unable to act upon it.

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What? Besides being terribly unclear in the movie, Sith become masters themselves by killing their former master.

MorbId fucked around with this message on 05-20-2005 at 06:43 PM.

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MorbId's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
What? Besides being terribly unclear in the movie, Sith become masters themselves by killing their former master.

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And the insinuation has always been that Palpatine granted Vader the title "Dark Lord of the Sith" partially to prevent Vader from ganking him.

Midichlorians convert the Force into a useable thing. The more chloroplasts, the stronger you are in the Force.

That's how I, someone who's never seen anything of Star Wars beyond the movies and KotOR 1 and 2, thinks of them.

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Because Dr. Gee is my friend.
That's how I, someone who's never seen anything of Star Wars beyond the movies and KotOR 1 and 2, thinks of them.

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Nobody knows exactly what to think of them, because he answered a question - the biggest Star Wars question - with an insubstantial answer.

"Is there a God?" "John Smith." "Who..?" "John Smith!"

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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Dr. Gee gently hums:
You know how chloroplasts in plants convert sunlight into food?

Midichlorians convert the Force into a useable thing. The more chloroplasts, the stronger you are in the Force.

That's how I, someone who's never seen anything of Star Wars beyond the movies and KotOR 1 and 2, thinks of them.

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And you just have to stand in the sun to refuel!

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Dr. Gee painfully thought these words up:
You know how chloroplasts in plants convert sunlight into food?

Midichlorians convert the Force into a useable thing. The more chloroplasts, the stronger you are in the Force.

That's how I, someone who's never seen anything of Star Wars beyond the movies and KotOR 1 and 2, thinks of them.

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I think this is part of what ruined the new trilogy for me, they turned the force into something mystical into something biological. =\

The Force was cool because it was mystical and not everyone could use it. Saying "it's kind of like a plant" makes Jedi sound like fools.

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Mr. Parcelan stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
I missed a lot. What are midichlorians?

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In Ep 1, they said midichlorians are these little things in our cells that tune you into the Force. Essentially mitochondria.

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Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
And you just have to stand in the sun to refuel!

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Damn you Bio final, DAMN YOU!!!!

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
In Ep 1, they said midichlorians are these little things in our cells that tune you into the Force. Essentially mitochondria.

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Still silly. It seems retarded that you can feasibly compare how the Force works to how your colon works.

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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Duck Tales:
Still silly. It seems retarded that you can feasibly compare how the Force works to how your colon works.

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Next thing you know, the Force will have it's own sphincter.

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Oh Mr. Parcelan. Oh Mr. Parcelan! Oh Mr. Parcelan!!;
Still silly. It seems retarded that you can feasibly compare how the Force works to how your colon works.

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A Jedi who is regular has an easier time with the force than a Jedi who struggles.

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Mr. Parcelan enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Still silly. It seems retarded that you can feasibly compare how the Force works to how your colon works.

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Oh I agree completely, for pretty much the same reason you mentioned. It de-mystified the mystery with bad high school biology. It's like that Parasite Eve game where our Mitichondria were revolting against us.