As to him having asthma, he was a fucking cyborg whose lungs were damaged when he was still fully organic..... it made perfect sense.

All in all it was a great movie, one that I'm getting on DVD when it comes out. I still don't understand why he brought up the whole 'midichlorian' thing, it made me cringe.

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UBT had this to say about Pirotess:
I agree, General Grievous was such a bad ass in the Clone Wars, yet he was almost played down just so Obi-Wan could kill him. For fucks sake, he killed multiple Jedi Masters back to back that were considered to be the best fighters. He was a character that I was excited to see in the movie only to see him dumbed down.

As to him having asthma, he was a fucking cyborg whose lungs were damaged when he was still fully organic..... it made perfect sense.

All in all it was a great movie, one that I'm getting on DVD when it comes out. I still don't understand why he brought up the whole 'midichlorian' thing, it made me cringe.

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Watch the Clone Wars again. In the second season, when Grievous is kidnapping the Chancellor, Mace Windu fights him. Grievous finally gets the Chancellor to his transport and is fleeing to it as well. As he reaches the top of the ramp into the ship, Mace who is just catching up, reaches out with the Force and nearly completely crushes Grievous' torso. This starts Grievous coughing and huddled over in pain as the transport heads out. Remember, Grievous isn't completely robotic, he has some of his still functioning organs within his body.

This is where Episode 3 takes over with Anakin and Obi-Wan travelling back to take the Chancellor back from Grievous' command ship. Grievous has only had time for some repairs to his badly damaged body.

The other thing that they didn't elaborate on was that the Jedi have different lightsaber combat styles. Ani and Obi vs Dooku used a different style than Obi vs Grievous.

Plus Grievous wasn't able to play to his strengths (IE sneaking up on Jedi and screwing them up)

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael fucked around with this message on 05-19-2005 at 01:03 PM.

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Katrinity had this to say about dark elf butts:
Watch the Clone Wars again. In the second season, when Grievous is kidnapping the Chancellor, Mace Windu fights him. Grievous finally gets the Chancellor to his transport and is fleeing to it as well. As he reaches the top of the ramp into the ship, Mace who is just catching up, reaches out with the Force and nearly completely crushes Grievous' torso. This starts Grievous coughing and huddled over in pain as the transport heads out. Remember, Grievous isn't completely robotic, he has some of his still functioning organs within his body.

This is where Episode 3 takes over with Anakin and Obi-Wan travelling back to take the Chancellor back from Grievous' command ship. Grievous has only had time for some repairs to his badly damaged body.

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Wow, I completely forgot all about that little fight, thanks for reminding me. =)

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael painfully thought these words up:
Edit: Kat covered Grievous and his problems...

The other thing that they didn't elaborate on was that the Jedi have different lightsaber combat styles. Ani and Obi vs Dooku used a different style than Obi vs Grievous.

Plus Grievous wasn't able to play to his strengths (IE sneaking up on Jedi and screwing them up)

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The book describes this best:

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There is an understated elegance in Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsaber technique, one that is quite unlike the feel one might get from the other great swordsbeing of the Jedi Order. He lacks entirely the flash, the pure bold elan of an Anakin Skywalker; there is nowhere in him the penumbral ferocity of a Mace Windu or a Depa Billaba nor the stylish grace of a Shaak Ti or a Dooku, and he is nothing resembling the whirlwind of destruction that Yoda can become.
He is simplicity itself.
That is his power.
Before Obi-Wan had left Coruscant, Mace Windu had told him of facing Grievous in single combat atop a mag-lev train during the general's daring raid to capture Palpatine. mace had told him how the computers slaved to Grievous's brain had apparently analyzed even Mace's unconventally lethal Vaapad (technique) and had been able to respond in kind after a single exchange.
"He must have been trained by Coutn Dooku," Mace had said, "so you can expect Makashi as well; given the number of Jedi he has fought and slain, you must expect that he can attack in any style, or all of them. In fact, Obi-Wan, I believe that of all living Jedi, you have the best chance to defeat him."

This pronouncement had startled Obi-Wan, and he had protested. After all, the only form in which he was truly even proficient was Soresu, which was the most commong lightsaber form in the Jedi Order. Founded upon the basic deflection principles of all Padawans were taught-- to enable them to protect themselves from blaster bolts-- Soresu was very simple, and so restrained and defense-oriented that it was very nearly downright passive.

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It goes on from there and speaks of Grievous stepping up his whirlwind attack until finally in overloads Obi-Wan's defence so he uses his defence to attack which is the beginning of the end for Grievous as his stolen lightsabers are sliced away one at a time.

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Nae was naked while typing this:
The fight scenes were exciting, and unlike Black, I really enjoyed the opening battle scene.

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UBT thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
As to him having asthma, he was a fucking cyborg whose lungs were damaged when he was still fully organic..... it made perfect sense.

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Blackened fucked around with this message on 05-19-2005 at 01:33 PM.

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There was much rejoicing when Blackened said this:
Listen, if you're going to villanize me for calling out this movie as the shameless money-garnering kiddy-crap it is, that's fine.

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Calling it out? You're just voicing your dislike for a movie that others found enjoyable.

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Caid '5 Fists' Berrit don't surf!
Calling it out? You're just voicing your dislike for a movie that others found enjoyable.

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That's the definition of discussion.

People who are star wars fanboys will drool all over it, people with half a brain may find some rather serious issues with it.

There were a bunch of people dressing up as hobbits at our theater. They looked terribly confused.

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Gunslinger Moogle enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
There were a bunch of people dressing up as hobbits at our theater. They looked terribly confused.

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Those were hairless Ewoks, a very rare breed.

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Why do ya build me up, Kaglaaz How'ler-cup baby just to let me down, and mess me around?
Those were hairless Ewoks, a very rare breed.

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Then why were they shouting, "We're hobbits, BITCH!" ?

(answer: "Because it's New Jersey.")

Also, there were a bunch of little kids dressed as Jedi. They weren't in the same theater as us though. I can't help imagining that they left crying

Especially since Black and Waisz and Sean have the authority to tell you what you can, and cannot enjoy, am i rite?

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Because Densetsu is my friend.
Especially since Black and Waisz and Sean have the authority to tell you what you can, and cannot enjoy, am i rite?

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READING COMPREHENSION

I don't have a problem with the movie. I haven't even seen it yet. I'm only firing off at Lucas, because I think he's a hypocritical assclown.

The other two I mentioned still stand.

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Densetsu had this to say about Tron:
My bad. I just woke up and posted from memory (and my memory sucks). Sorry I included you in that, Sean. I don't mind your Lucas bashing (if only someone would actually stand up to him since his divorce).

The other two I mentioned still stand.

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What part of "it was a poorly contructed movie" do you not understand?

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Mr. Densetsu? That sounds too much like Mr. Shit.
(if only someone would actually stand up to him since his divorce).

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I wouldn't mind beating him senseless with a toy lightsaber, given the chance. Fucker's got no respect for his own creation anymore.

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Snugglits obviously shouldn't have said:
What part of "it was a poorly contructed movie" do you not understand?

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Oh, I understood it perfectly.

It's fine to state your opinion on the movie, and to state why.

When you begin telling people that there is something wrong with them simply because they do not agree with you, you're crossing a line.

I can enjoy movies that aren't perfect, because I never have high expectations for a movie. If it was entertaining (and Sith was), then I feel it was worth my time and money (and I do). If you weren't entertained, and you don't feel it was worth your time and money, then I am sorry. That doesn't mean that I should conform to your bitterness lest there be something wrong with me.

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FUCK. MOTHERFUCKING SHIT. DO YOU FUCKING KNOW HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE? SHIT. FUCK. It's not your fault, Densetsu.
When you begin telling people that there is something wrong with them simply because they do not agree with you, you're crossing a line.

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Now, now. In Waisz's defense, there is something wrong with OP.

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Sean stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Now, now. In Waisz's defense, there is something wrong with OP.

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Point.

I still find it funny how Gains (of all people) called OP a fanboy in a negative manner.

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JooJooFlop said this about your mom:
That and "Oh, and erase C3PO's memory" bugged me.

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They didn't say the name. Called him the protocol droid.

Makes them come off as very lame cartoon villains.

Now I would be the first one to admit that the movie was NOT perfect. Starting with the fact you kinda had to have seen the Clone Wars cartoon to understand half of what's going on, who Grievous is, etc, it could have been encapsulated better in one film. Some of the transitions were rough, mainly because (as I stated earlier) it seemed like he was trying to fit too much story in too little a spanse of time. That's more a matter of editting, though, and as I stated earlier, I imagine that a lot of it will be fixed with the DVD release. There were a few scenes that just screamed "I need five more minutes for this!"

But it was a triumphant movie, a return to if not New Hope/Empire levels of coolness, then at least it trumped the FUCKING EWOK MOVIE, and it CERTAINLY outdid the previous two prequels.

But if anything, Ep3 suffered from what all the prequels suffered from. In the 20 years since New Hope came out, people have built up this almost spiritual connection to the movie. They expect a movie to live up to their hopes and dreams and be not only the complete and total realization of their desires for spiritual creaminess, they also want it to be more amazing than they could possibly imagine. And I hate to break it to you, folks, that ain't ever going to happen. Even people who loved the LotR trilogy found places it could be improved at, or things they wish they'd seen with more clarity.

It's like waiting for the Second Coming and finding out that while Jesus is the son of God, that also means he's part mortal. I'd hate to see what you guys would say to rip into that event.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael spewed forth this undeniable truth:
it seemed like he was trying to fit too much story in too little a spanse of time.

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I feel slightly different. I was worried that the movie was going to feel too rushed, too fast paced. I was worried it would feel like there was just too little to do, and so much time. Wait...strike that; reverse it.

Perhaps it may have been a bit faster paced than perfection would allow, but it wasn't as fast as I had hoped it wouldn't be. The only part I thought that felt rushed was near the end, when the movie made it seem like travel to distance worlds across the galaxy -- even through hyperspace -- takes only seconds. I mean, exactly how long was Vader on the volcanic planet before Padme arrived? That was pretty much the only time where the flow of the movie seemed compacted.

But again, this might just be because I expected worse.

Densetsu fucked around with this message on 05-19-2005 at 04:24 PM.

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Sean got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Now, now. In Waisz's defense, there is something wrong with OP.

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Ouch.

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Sean said this about your mom:
Now, now. In Waisz's defense, there is something wrong with OP.

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GUESS WHO HAS HERPES!

Manticore fucked around with this message on 05-19-2005 at 04:39 PM.

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The battle of coruscant had me yawning. How they managed to make you feel detached from such an awesome senario is beyond me.

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I was wrong, it was Blindy.

I wasn't trying to make anyone feel like a villain. I just hold a different opinion about the entertainment value of the film.

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Nae isn't in Kansas anymore:
I apologise Black, I thought you were the one that said:

I was wrong, it was Blindy.

I wasn't trying to make anyone feel like a villain. I just hold a different opinion about the entertainment value of the film.

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I think it was just the muted sound. I realized I should have enjoyed it, but I wasn't doing so. Seemed too disconnected and far away.

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This insanity brought to you by Densetsu:
I feel slightly different. I was worried that the movie was going to feel too rushed, too fast paced. I was worried it would feel like there was just too little to do, and so much time. Wait...strike that; reverse it.

Perhaps it may have been a bit faster paced than perfection would allow, but it wasn't as fast as I had hoped it wouldn't be. The only part I thought that felt rushed was near the end, when the movie made it seem like travel to distance worlds across the galaxy -- even through hyperspace -- takes only seconds. I mean, exactly how long was Vader on the volcanic planet before Padme arrived? That was pretty much the only time where the flow of the movie seemed compacted.

But again, this might just be because I expected worse.

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I fully agree that it could have been a lot worse. And most of the scenes themselves were full and lush. It was just that when they accomplished something, it would immediately clip to the next scene. There was no transition. Every time they jumped from the lava world to Organa's ship, we were all blinded, and when it happens rapidly in the period of five minutes...

But you're right, that was towards the end.

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Densetsu had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Point.

I still find it funny how Gains (of all people) called OP a fanboy in a negative manner.

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I'm able to make fun of fanbois not being able to back down because I am one!

We're impossible to topple, so don't bother trying.

"No, Mr. Obiwan, I think I'll keep it..."

And also as expected, Frank Oz was the only one who didn't suck.("The boy who dreamed, gone he is, consumed by Darth Vader." <sniffle> When one actor sucks, it's his fault. When one actor doesn't suck, it's the director. Especially when those actors are people like Samuel L. Jackson and Natalie Portman.

Now, the list!

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. New Hope(tie)
3. Return of the Jedi(tie)
4. Attack of the Clones
5. Phantom Menance

Rating Return of the Jedi is always hard for me. The first half hour or so, Han's rescue, is better than anything else in the original trilogy. But after that it starts to suck so bad that it drops down to what I'd probably rate as the worst movie out of all six.

And yes, I rated New Hope below Revenge of the Sith. If it weren't for the fact that Empire Strikes Back was the first Star Wars movie I saw when I was a kid, I probably would not have bothered seeing the other two movies of the original trilogy until recently. A New Hope dragged on and on and on once Obi-Wan is taken out of the picture. To me, Star Wars has always been two semi decent, but hovering around bad, movies(Hope and Return) wrapped around the greatest movie ever put on film.(Empire)

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Densetsu likes to scream this out during sex:
I can just imagine being in the same theater as Blindy, and the battle of Coruscant rages on-screen, when suddenly everyone hears this, escalating in volume and urgency, "Uh oh. Oh shit. Oh God no! I'm feeling detached! OMG I'M FEELING DETACHED! HOLY SHIT NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

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It might have been the gin and tonics also.

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A sleep deprived Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael stammered:
Every time they jumped from the lava world to Organa's ship

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Yeah, that kinda bothered me, but honestly, the only reason that doesn't happen in episode 4, is because the screen is filled with the whiteness of the Star Destroyer first.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael said this about your mom:
They didn't say the name. Called him the protocol droid.

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I know, I was paraphrasing.

General Grievous was way too much of a pussy. There's no way in hell Obi-Wan should have kicked his ass that easily, without any help at all.

The yoda/palpatine fight seemed stupid as hell. Yoda wasn't that bad. Palpatine seemed completely off-the-wall. Sure, he's an evil manipulative madman bent on universal domination, but for some reason, the way he fights just didn't sit well with me. Neither did the cackling. In Episode 4, when he kills Luke, he grins evilly while he uses lightning to fry Luke... but he doesn't sit there and cackle while he's doing so. He's calm and controlled even while savoring his assured victory.

Vader going mad and force-crushing everything around him, that was OK. Not great, but I could see him getting mad enough to do that. But then he had to rip out of the table, stumbling around like goddamn frankenstein, and scream out 'Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo'. I cannot stress enough how stupid that was. That scene alone would have ruined the movie, had the rest of the movie not done a good enough job of it already.

Those are my thoughts, at least.

Spoilers, but you probably know most of these things already:

Things that sucked:

• The plot progression was abrupt at times, as though Lucas was in a big rush to set the stage for what we all know happens in the final act.

• Several instances of cheesy dialogue or bad acting in general.

• "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" in particular. An anguished scream would have sufficed.

• General Greivous was nothing more than a plot device to get Obi-Wan off of Coruscant. That isn't a problem in and of itself, but there was a ton of hype surrounding Greivous, due in large part to a certain animated series which shall go unnamed. Expectations for an epic confrontation between him and Obi-Wan were dashed.

• If you suffer from motion sickness, close your eyes during the opening battle sequence. Jesus!

• If you suffer from light sensitivity, close your eyes during Obi-Wan and Anakin's duel. Jesus!

• Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is too sudden. He is genuinely torn and confused at first, but by the time he goes to the Jedi temple he's pretty much turned fully to evil. Eh?
  Furthermore, to achieve the appropriate emotional impact, Anakin should have killed Mace Windu himself rather than (cough) disarming him and letting Sidious finish the job.

• The scene in which Palpatine reveals his knowledge of the Dark Side was hilariously antimclimatic.
  "Dude, the Dark Side is BADAZZZZZ!"
  "omgwtf?! Prepare to get JEDOWNED!"
  "rofl noob"
  "omg =( "

• The opening crawl was a little... odd. It was obviously supposed to resemble an old newsreel, but it felt very out of place.

• Was it just my imagination, or did Yoda's departure from Kashyyyk strongly resemble a similar scene in a certain other movie featuring a short, wrinkled alien?

Things that were cool:

• Mercifully small amount of fan service this time. We had Chewbacca, we had the Tantive IV or whatever, and we had the largely-unneccessary-but-not-disruptive Death Star cameo at the end. Anything else which alluded to the original movies was either a logical part of the story or too subtle to be intrusive.

• The line of dialogue which I feared the most, "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!" was actually appropriate and rather moving when put in its proper context.

• A loose end from the original movie was halfway tied up. I'd always wondered why Obi-Wan thought it would be a good idea to let Darth Vader kill him; now it appears to be an event for which he and Yoda had prepared. That said, it comes out of nowhere. An appearance by Qui-Gonn in that scene (or better yet, an apperance both there and in AOTC) would have alleviated the wtf factor.

• It was rather amusing to see Obi-Wan, Anakin, and R2-D2 (!) owning the hell out of everything they saw on Greivous' ship.

This was as satisfactory a conclusion as could be made for the terrible stage which was set by the previous two movies. Like I said, overall it was pretty lame artistically, but still a modestly enjoyable popcorn flick.

Sentow, Maybe fucked around with this message on 05-19-2005 at 08:49 PM.