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Everyone wondered WTF when Sean wrote:
I was going to say I don't recall any marijuana in Thompson's trunk on his trip to Vegas, but I had to check myself and it seemed that, in fact, he did have two bags of grass. Along with seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole multi colored collection of uppers, downers, laughers, screamers. Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls.
Well, still, the marijuana helped I'm sure.
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-Yuri- had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Trying to rationalize and say that people who smoke pot can contribute to society is pointless when there's movies like Half Baked out.
You stated that the only thing you have against pot is that it's illegal.
So being an outlaw makes you unable to contribute to society?
Please stop.
*shrugs*
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Caid '5 Fists' Berrit had this to say about Duck Tales:
I've still yet to see anyone come forth with a reasonable arguement against marijuana.*shrugs*
It's illegal and society frowns upon it. Here's an interesting question, however: Why did it gain its illegal status?
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System.out.println("Waisz said this:");
You stated that the only thing you have against pot is that it's illegal.So being an outlaw makes you unable to contribute to society?
Please stop.
I didn't say that was the only thing. I posted previously about my past experience with my step-father who smoked pot on a regular basis. Check back two pages.
And yes, being an outlaw does normally make one inable to contribute to society since outlaws normally are in jail, a place that tends to squelch contributation to society (leave Nelson Mandella out of it 
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And stop what? I post my opinion. I don't force it on anyone. I do just what anyone else on these forums do. If people disagree with my opinion, it opens up the field to an intellegent discussion. I thought that was the purpose of a 'forum' in the first place. A place to take place part in intellegent conversation with your peers.
I'm not here to argue or piss people off or change people's opinions on any certain subject. I'm here to learn from people because the majority of people who post here are immensely intellegent. People like Bloodsage and Call are what I come to these forums for. To read their gems of wisdom that only years apon years of living can grant you. One can only learn so much from a book. The rest is experience. They have it. I listen to them. I learn from them.
If you have a personal problem with me frequenting this forums (as you have stated in your lovely PM to me), then so be it. I'm not here to please anyone. I aim to not piss people off but that will never happen. If I say I like green, I know someone out there will be pissed off because they think green is the ugliest color ever. To avoid conflict with every single person out there is to be mute, and to be mute would entirely cancel out the whole purpose of this open forum.
Let people gather and speak. When people get mad, which they will, deal with it and try to help eachother understand that not everyone is the same; that other people feel differently about different things. We are not borg here. We do not think in a solid collective thought. Let me express myself and learn from others expressing theirselves. To squelch that is to squelch the whole essense of existance. I know that a learned person like you would never want to do that because it goes against everything that education stands for; The sharing of knowledge.
That'll conclude my dethessay.
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Caid '5 Fists' Berrit was naked while typing this:
I've still yet to see anyone come forth with a reasonable arguement against marijuana.*shrugs*
The same reason that Morphine or Lortab is illegal - While it has medical benefits and can be used in such a way as to prevent or cure harm done to you, it is an extremely powerful substance that can have drastic side effects as well. Marijuana in regulated doses, when taken for specific uses (such as to releive pain, loss of appetite, nausea, anxiety, etc... for patients suffering from Aids, Glaucoma, cancer, etc) has its benefits and I beleive that Marijuana should become a federally-regulated drunk that is available by prescription.
The problem with it is the same reason you can't go to the pharmacy, and get OTC Lortab : It is too powerful to be safely used unregulated. It is extremely habit-forming, can damage the brain and the pitutitary gland, drastically increases the likeliness of heart disease (by speeding up the heart and by increasing blood pressure) and hypertension, etc.
Sure, you could argue that someone who uses it on rare occasions and doesn't abuse it, doesn't see those effects to the same degree as a hardcore druggie who abuses it hourly. But the fact that it CAN cause those effects, means that it should be regulated and dispenced only when necessary, and only to those who need it for legitimate medical reasons.
You should know, Caid, that IF something CAN be abused, it WILL. Having free access to drugs such as Marijuana and Morphine and Lortab and the like, will only result in abuse of those drugs. Because (EDIT : 99% of the people who'd use them) people are too stupid to be able to regulate the usage of said drugs, the government has to step in to make sure people don't fuck themselves up too badly. Khyron fucked around with this message on 03-02-2005 at 01:25 PM.
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The problem with it is the same reason you can't go to the pharmacy, and get OTC Lortab : It is too powerful to be safely used unregulated. It is extremely habit-forming, can damage the brain and the pitutitary gland, drastically increases the likeliness of heart disease (by speeding up the heart and by increasing blood pressure) and hypertension, etc.
AFAIK - this is bullshit or selectively stated (It can give you brain damage... if combined with so or so... if you also have this and that condition).
Post some links to studies that conclude this please. Especially the "habit-forming" part.
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Zaza had this to say about Knight Rider:
AFAIK - this is bullshit or selectively stated (It can give you brain damage... if combined with so or so... if you also have this and that condition).Post some links to studies that conclude this please. Especially the "habit-forming" part.
Most of the harmful stuff about Marijuana, I didn't know off the top of my head, so I just went to http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/harmful-effects-of-marijuana.htm and started looking at what they had listed as the harmful effects.
But I agree that Marijuana isn't a super-dangerous terrible drug like PCP or Cocaine. I think that it has good, legitimate uses that can help people who suffer from diseases and such. But I also think that it can and will be abused if it's available freely, and that the FDA should impose the same restrictions and limitations that they do on other strong drugs, by making it prescription-only.
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You should know, Caid, that IF something CAN be abused, it WILL. Having free access to drugs such as Marijuana and Morphine and Lortab and the like, will only result in abuse of those drugs. Because (EDIT : 99% of the people who'd use them) people are too stupid to be able to regulate the usage of said drugs, the government has to step in to make sure people don't fuck themselves up too badly.[/QB]
I won't dispute any of those facts you set forth, as I really have no proof of anything.
I completely agree with what you said in the paragraph I quoted. I should have made myself more clear.
I know many of the reasons why marijuana is not socially acceptable. Are those the only reasons people on this board despise it so much? If you have had a tragic personal experience involving marijuana, then you have more than enough reason to feel the way you do. I just get the feeling that people dismiss anyone that uses marijuana as an idiot/complete failure because that's what they've been taught.
I want to know why there is so much hostility towards marijuana use on this specific message board, not within society.
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Khyron obviously shouldn't have said:
Most of the harmful stuff about Marijuana, I didn't know off the top of my head, so I just went to http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/harmful-effects-of-marijuana.htm and started looking at what they had listed as the harmful effects.But I agree that Marijuana isn't a super-dangerous terrible drug like PCP or Cocaine. I think that it has good, legitimate uses that can help people who suffer from diseases and such. But I also think that it can and will be abused if it's available freely, and that the FDA should impose the same restrictions and limitations that they do on other strong drugs, by making it prescription-only.
I wouldn't exactly trust that webpage to give a correct account of the truth. They don't even include any sources for their claims that I can see. I strongly suspect they're using biased studies or quoting studies out of context (as above).
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It affects, alters, and damages brain cells controlling thinking, emotion, pleasure, coordination, mood and memory.
This is some heavy science alright!!
as for the opinions, everyone has them, and they are entitled to them as am I.
*shrugs* Socially accepted isn't always right.
BeauChan fucked around with this message on 03-02-2005 at 02:03 PM.
edit: I speel gud :S
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Jalal d'Varr had this to say about Optimus Prime:
This is some heavy science alright!!
What kind of color is black?
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From the book of Khyron, chapter 3, verse 16:
The same reason that Morphine or Lortab is illegal - While it has medical benefits and can be used in such a way as to prevent or cure harm done to you, it is an extremely powerful substance that can have drastic side effects as well. Marijuana in regulated doses, when taken for specific uses (such as to releive pain, loss of appetite, nausea, anxiety, etc... for patients suffering from Aids, Glaucoma, cancer, etc) has its benefits and I beleive that Marijuana should become a federally-regulated drunk that is available by prescription.The problem with it is the same reason you can't go to the pharmacy, and get OTC Lortab : It is too powerful to be safely used unregulated. It is extremely habit-forming, can damage the brain and the pitutitary gland, drastically increases the likeliness of heart disease (by speeding up the heart and by increasing blood pressure) and hypertension, etc.
Sure, you could argue that someone who uses it on rare occasions and doesn't abuse it, doesn't see those effects to the same degree as a hardcore druggie who abuses it hourly. But the fact that it CAN cause those effects, means that it should be regulated and dispenced only when necessary, and only to those who need it for legitimate medical reasons.
You should know, Caid, that IF something CAN be abused, it WILL. Having free access to drugs such as Marijuana and Morphine and Lortab and the like, will only result in abuse of those drugs. Because (EDIT : 99% of the people who'd use them) people are too stupid to be able to regulate the usage of said drugs, the government has to step in to make sure people don't fuck themselves up too badly.
Morphine and Marijuana are not comparable, not even a little. Morphine's effect on the body must be closely monitored to prevent drastic effects. One cannot overdose on marijuana. It is not on a similar scale.
Habitual pot smokers just go around stoned, not a very bad consequence on its own. They can drive stoned, but alcohol drinkers can drive drunk, and this is not a reason to ban alcohol. Banning something just because "someone can become habituated on it" is rather stupid.
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Mix Waisz with water, and you get:
They can drive stoned...
I wouldn't suggest that 
oh geez
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BeauChan's fortune cookie read:
I wouldn't suggest that
No, it's completely idiotic. I wasn't saying people who smoke should drive, because that would be retarded. I was just stating that it is true that they can operate a vehicle and do something stupid.
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Liam had this to say about John Romero:
I must be one messed up and dead inside individual. I smoke marijuana almost every two days or so.oh geez
I was gonna vote Liam in 2008 and it looks like he's ruined his life now
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Zaza was all like:
Post some links to studies that conclude this please. Especially the "habit-forming" part.
Post some links to studies that conclude that Marijuana is perfectly okay to be consumed by anybody in a manner similar to tobacco and alcohol, please.
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Caid '5 Fists' Berrit thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
If you have had a tragic personal experience involving marijuana, then you have more than enough reason to feel the way you do.
So, we have to have had weed cause a tragic event in our lives to be opposed to it? Bullshit, kthx.
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Mix Waisz with water, and you get:
No, it's completely idiotic. I wasn't saying people who smoke should drive, because that would be retarded. I was just stating that it is true that they can operate a vehicle and do something stupid.
like blackout for half an hour and completely miss their exit.
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BeauChan thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
like blackout for half an hour and completely miss their exit.
I do that just fine without marijuana, k thx. 
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Lashanna had this to say about Pirotess:
I do that just fine without marijuana, k thx.
Women drivers. 
It's not something people hear about.
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Densetsu had this to say about John Romero:
So, we have to have had weed cause a tragic event in our lives to be opposed to it? Bullshit, kthx.
Well, no. I can be opposed to breathing because I think it's evil. It's just not very logical for me to do so.
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Mix Lashanna with water, and you get:
I do that just fine without marijuana, k thx.
heheh...
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This one time, at Densetsu camp:
So, we have to have had weed cause a tragic event in our lives to be opposed to it? Bullshit, kthx.
Uhh, no. That is one reason to be against it, which I can understand. I am asking for other reasons as to why people are so over-the-top hostile towards it.
Thanks for twisting my words though!
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm
I'm sure some people will doubt the validity of the source due to the host server, but it was the first hit on google, so I provided the zip.
Edit: Oh, and one other note, as it's an argument against marijuana, is that people can smoke a cigarette, or have a single drink and still be able to function properly, whereas smoking a joint will have you high. (usually, if it's good stuff) Basically, it's about intent. I mean, people CAN get hammered off alcohol, but that's not necessarily the use of the product.
I think it's a silly debate anyways, as alcoholism has been observed to be much worse in terms of its effects on society (I don't have a source to prove this at the moment, so I used the term observed, but considering there's been zero recorded deaths as a direct result of the sole use of marijuana, I think we can say that's a safe bet)
I usually just compare it to alcohol during the times of prohibition, whether that's a fair comparison or not (Probably isn't, different times and all, but they have their similarities)
When I get home from school I'll start actually searching for more scientific sources. Liam fucked around with this message on 03-02-2005 at 02:33 PM.
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ringringringringringringring Seanphone
Women drivers.
I'm gonna strangle you.
Damn weed's catching up to me.
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We were all impressed when Waisz wrote:
Well, no. I can be opposed to breathing because I think it's evil. It's just not very logical for me to do so.
So...it's not logical for me to be opposed to alcohol if my reasoning is because driving drunk is dangerous...because I haven't lost a family member to a drunk driver, or been hit by one myself?
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This insanity brought to you by Densetsu:
So...it's not logical for me to be opposed to alcohol if my reasoning is because driving drunk is dangerous...because I haven't lost a family member to a drunk driver, or been hit by one myself?
Oh, I see, you're against legal alcohol and marijuana.
Nevermind, in that case.
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Addy had this to say about Duck Tales:
I'm gonna strangle you.
Bitch, please. You got lost in Bethlehem, how are you gonna come strangle me? IT'S A ONE INTERSECTION TOWN!
It's not something people hear about.
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Waisz had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Oh, I see, you're against legal alcohol and marijuana.Nevermind, in that case.
It was an example. I ignored your absolutely ludicrous simile, I think you could return the favor by not placing assumptions on me in an attempt to trivialize my arguement.
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Sean had this to say about dark elf butts:
Bitch, please. You got lost in Bethlehem, how are you gonna come strangle me? IT'S A ONE INTERSECTION TOWN!
My dad was the one driving.
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Zaza's fortune cookie read:
Hey, Densetsu, you're the one claiming it's dangerous, burden of proof is on you, especially for wanting it illegal.
Actually, it's more widely believed to be dangerous than to not be dangerous. It's up to you to prove the majority wrong.
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Addy got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
My dad was the one driving.
Shotgun seat is the navigator.
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean had this to say about Robocop:
Pretty hard to navigate when everyone in the car is hysterically laughing at the dorky street names.
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Addy obviously shouldn't have said:
Did you just call city streets named after Biblical figures 'dorky'?
You're going to Hell.
It's not something people hear about.
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Densetsu had this to say about Duck Tales:
Actually, it's more widely believed to be dangerous than to not be dangerous. It's up to you to prove the majority wrong.
Uh, no. Ever heard of Argumentum ad nauseum? What the majority believes is completely irrelevant. Unless you can back it with some facts, there is no reason to take your argument seriously and certainly no reason to legislate based on it.
Or maybe we should legislate based on religion too since that's all about mass-belief? 
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How.... Sean.... uughhhhhh:
Did you just call city streets named after Biblical figures 'dorky'?
Dude. You guys have a street named Star.
So are you, you gang up on me all the time. Poor innocent me.
