Don't know if they're gonna modify that, though.

That might make me play on the euro server unless I decide to be undead..

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ACES! Another post by Niklas:
Fantastic, as a european I'll be always on at night

That might make me play on the euro server unless I decide to be undead..

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Or...Night Elf!

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Katrinity had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Or...Night Elf!

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Well yeah but being a Dwarf Hunter has been my aim for quite a while

[edit: Or Tauren something. I must remember to ask BM how viable huge double handed weapons of doom are for Tauren warriors because he was saying earlier that warriors benefitted most from sword/shield ]

[edit2: Well, when the horde is optionally playable again]

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How does zoning work? Is it like DAoC where only going into cities and dungeons require loading? Is it like EQ where going everywhere requires loading?

Also, what are some cool zones/areas and monsters you've seen and can you give us screenshots?

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There was much rejoicing when JooJooFlop said this:
What are the differences between all the races?

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Look and mounts.

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Niklas had this to say about Tron:
Look and mounts.

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That's stupid and boring.

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We were all impressed when JooJooFlop wrote:
That's stupid and boring.

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It's about the same as everything else.

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Niklas had this to say about John Romero:
I must remember to ask BM how viable huge double handed weapons of doom are for Tauren warriors because he was saying earlier that warriors benefitted most from sword/shield

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That is information I require as well, as I intend to play a Tauren Warrior with greathammer.

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JooJooFlop had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I want an MMORPG that has races with huge differences, dammit. I want a goddamn reason to play one race over another depending on how I want to play.

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But then there are always arguments about the 'best' race

For what it's worth though, I agree with you. Or at least little things which make a bit of a difference but not a game breaking one, like what they had originally planned.

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Take time with a wounded Mr. Parcelan, cause it likes to heal:
New question!

How does zoning work? Is it like DAoC where only going into cities and dungeons require loading? Is it like EQ where going everywhere requires loading?

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The only loading screen is when you select your character and enter the world. That loading screen is currently maybe 5 - 8 seconds long for my computer, which is just about medium-range.

Instances, for dungeons and whatnot, require 1 - 3 second load times.

Oh, and JJF, while it might seem boring that there aren't currently any racial advantages, you'll have to trust that having significant racial advantages is a bad thing. I don't think you're aware of how much of a shit-storm EQ Ogre's ability to be unstunable caused.

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Niklas wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
But then there are always arguments about the 'best' race

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Nothing wrong with that, as long as no races are overpowered compared to the others.

Any word on when it's going to be released for good?>

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Black said this about your mom:
Oh, and JJF, while it might seem boring that there aren't currently any racial advantages, you'll have to trust that having significant racial advantages is a bad thing. I don't think you're aware of how much of a shit-storm EQ Ogre's ability to be unstunable caused.

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God that ability was a laugh riot when I played my SK, didn't realize how freaking vital it was until I played another race and went "Holy CRAP how can people PLAY like this!?", heh.

I think some differences should be there, like different races get different inherent resistance bonuses, like NEs resistant to nature, or undead resistance to shadow magic, but anything drastic could cause serious problems

Same reason Blizzard doesn't have any stat distribution, you pick your class, pick your race and go play. They want to limit the amount of choices you have at the beginning to lessen the "Haha, you aren't race ___ or didn't set stat ___ to ___, your char is weak!" factor.

All in all, the races having different beginning stats is pretty much all I would expect in terms of differences, NEs are more agile, dwarves are tougher, just the obvious stuff. Minor resistance differences would add early flavour, can't really see it being horribly imbalanced or anything, heh

Things like NEs getting shadowmeld or trolls getting regeneration I could start seeing issues with though

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Black had this to say about Captain Planet:
Oh, and JJF, while it might seem boring that there aren't currently any racial advantages, you'll have to trust that having significant racial advantages is a bad thing. I don't think you're aware of how much of a shit-storm EQ Ogre's ability to be unstunable caused.

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Ogres and trolls had interesting racial traits while the rest of the races essentially got bupkis. So instead of giving each race their own special traits they slapped exp penalties and bad faction on the interesting races and called it balanced.

As far as I'm concerned Blizzard is just being lazy.

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I can still see Vorago's Dad, running after me with a shovel in his hand.
Things like NEs getting shadowmeld or trolls getting regeneration I could start seeing issues with though

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Captain Mr. Parcelan will get you high tonight:
So how many instances are there? How often do loads pop up?

Any word on when it's going to be released for good?>

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They're scattered throughout the world. You won't go through one without knowing it, though.

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Naimah, I am your father:
Maybe the uniqueness could be bought by tallent points and have a level req or something of the sort.

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JooJooFlop obviously shouldn't have said:
Ogres and trolls had interesting racial traits while the rest of the races essentially got bupkis. So instead of giving each race their own special traits they slapped exp penalties and bad faction on the interesting races and called it balanced.

As far as I'm concerned Blizzard is just being lazy.

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Eh, I would far prefer the way it is now than the system used in other MMORPGs. Don't have people claiming their stat distribution is better, or that race X sucks while race Y is better.

The things that set you apart should be how you play and what skills you buy, use and improve upon, not whether you picked the 'right' stats to put up by the 'right' amounts, or picked the 'right' race for your class.

Because, either you balance the racial traits SO perfectly that no one is better by even the slightest margin than another at a specific class, at which point you have gained zero ground because you are the exact same point as if you had NO racial traits; Or, you have races that are just better than the others at a specific class, and you see large amounts of that race/class sprouting up and there is a problem.

Or, you create originality by making the racial bonuses extremely minor as not to affect gameplay but just offer marginal bonuses or flavour, like dwarves starting with higher sense heading than other races in EQ.

Any minor advantage given to a race will be whored upon by the min/maxxers, just how it happens

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Check out the big brain on Vorago!
Eh, I would far prefer the way it is now than the system used in other MMORPGs. Don't have people claiming their stat distribution is better, or that race X sucks while race Y is better.

The things that set you apart should be how you play and what skills you buy, use and improve upon, not whether you picked the 'right' stats to put up by the 'right' amounts, or picked the 'right' race for your class.

Because, either you balance the racial traits SO perfectly that no one is better by even the slightest margin than another at a specific class, at which point you have gained zero ground because you are the exact same point as if you had NO racial traits; Or, you have races that are just better than the others at a specific class, and you see large amounts of that race/class sprouting up and there is a problem.

Or, you create originality by making the racial bonuses extremely minor as not to affect gameplay but just offer marginal bonuses or flavour, like dwarves starting with higher sense heading than other races in EQ.

Any minor advantage given to a race will be whored upon by the min/maxxers, just how it happens

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Yeah, I see this as being a good thing for the beginners. Though, I do hope there are SOME racial differences...

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Vorago had this to say about John Romero:
Eh, I would far prefer the way it is now than the system used in other MMORPGs. Don't have people claiming their stat distribution is better, or that race X sucks while race Y is better.

The things that set you apart should be how you play and what skills you buy, use and improve upon, not whether you picked the 'right' stats to put up by the 'right' amounts, or picked the 'right' race for your class.

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What I want is an MMORPG with the standard race/class lineup but which race you choose will alter how your class plays significantly. Using EQ races as an example we'll say you have an ogre, a gnome and an erudite that all want to be warriors. The ogre warrior is gonna be a meat tank capable of dishing out and taking large amounts of purely physical damage. The gnome warrior could pilot some sort of mechanical armor that can be modified in all sorts of ways to adapt to certain combat conditions. The erudite warrior will have offensive damage spells and defensive shielding spells to augment his less-than-stellar physical prowess with his natural affinity to magic.

That's the kind of stuff I wanna see.

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This one time, at Zephyer Kyuukaze camp:
Yeah, I see this as being a good thing for the beginners. Though, I do hope there are SOME racial differences...

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The starting stats are different, dug up the chart of 'em compiled from the beta, it's broken down by race AND class...

http://www.worldofwar.net/characters/starting.php

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Vorago stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
The starting stats are different, dug up the chart of 'em compiled from the beta, it's broken down by race AND class...

http://www.worldofwar.net/characters/starting.php

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Well see, those are the only real differences between races in DAoC and it works fine for them.

And there are ingame loads, shows me a griffin rider.

There is a jail in stormwind that I ran into, and it had a celler and a wall of blue flames, that I ran into, and zoned into an area where guys hit for 50.

I had 80 HP.

I fight things that hit for 10.

Yikes.

I ran away fast.

Proposed things are like undead not being charmable or sleepable, which I havent ran into yet at level 8.

Umm, trolls have nothing planned.

Dwarves had treasure find, which i dont know what it means.

Humans get the catchall of more skill points

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We were all impressed when Elvish Crack Piper wrote:
Umm, trolls have nothing planned.

Humans get the catchall of more skill points

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Trolls would have to have regeneration... that is what trolls DO

And humans getting more skill points would be brutally too good unless the other racial traits were absolutely amazing

Trolls have nothing listed.

Tauren have plain running, the only currently active racial ability.

Skill points seems like itd be a static +10 or +20, not like an extra 5 per level.

Each skill(or am I thinking talents) costs 10+ to get. The higher level ones costing 15-20+

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Elvish Crack Piper's mother was good last night.
There is a jail in stormwind that I ran into, and it had a celler and a wall of blue flames, that I ran into, and zoned into an area where guys hit for 50.

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And more skill points... Bleh. Who cares. Talent points are the important ones.

Sounds like FFXI.

Though, the skill/talent/whatever system makes people drastically different. I bet someone could make 20 of the same race/class, and not play it the same way twice..

Mm...

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How.... Delphi Aegis.... uughhhhhh:
So your stats are determined exclusively by Race/class/level, right?

Sounds like FFXI.

Though, the skill/talent/whatever system makes people drastically different. I bet someone could make 20 of the same race/class, and not play it the same way twice..

Mm...

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You also get points when you level and can increase your stats that way.

Certain talents give +1 to stuff.

Fun fact for WC3 players, wisps are level FIFTEEN. Anchient Protectors are 90.

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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Robocop:
Fun fact for WC3 players, wisps are level FIFTEEN.

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plz dont detonate my mana

It was in a magazine i believe, CGW