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Kegwen attempted to be funny by writing:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!That's a good one!!! ROOFLEZ!!11
After level 15 or so, the Fungi Tunic was basically a downtime reducer. Even cons in LOIO would come very close to killing me.
People who haven't used the tunic personally have this radically exaggerated view of it's power... I know I did.
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Keg, you suck! Snoota's warrior and me could own multiple even cons simultaneously at L18 in Kurn's, with the guy who has agro wearing fungi. And even now, without fungi, I can solo even cons in LOIO with 2 bubbles of health.
So if you come close to dying with a fungi, something's wrong. Oh, perhaps I should remind you that only monks are good at H2H? Give your twink a weapon! 
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How.... Tier.... uughhhhhh:
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Oh, perhaps I should remind you thatonlymonks are good at H2H?
Fixed a problem Tier
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Everyone wondered WTF when Falaanla Marr wrote:
I condone twinking, and do it myself.Im not gonna join in an argument here, its not worth it. people WONT change their views either way.
But, RIG, a question for you on things:
You stated that life does not have a definitive set of rules, and that its not balanced (yes, greatly simplified.
Well, games are for one thing, and one thing only. Entertainment.
Giantt, on one hand, enjoys twinking, and does not enjoy the lower levels. He knows how things will be for him at higher levels, and accepts that.
You don't like twinking. You are more than welcome to hold that belief too
I look at it like this: I am not directly affecting you with my twinking unless i take an item in a group where you needed it, or someone else did
While they may shred through mobs faster, and may not be as good in a group, some are just as good in a group. Some many have played a 60 warrior on another server, moved over to be with friends, and been twinked to high heaven.
I know i research a class before twinking here.
You wouldnt be raiding with them anyway, so their lack of skill doesnt affect you at all. there are so many low level places to hunt that you can find an out of the way spot to hunt as a twink and not disturb someone.
*shrug*
Um... Where's the question?!? 
Twinking I don't have any real issues with. I gave my Ogre all the pieces to complete a Screaming Mace at level 8. At level 16 I was dual wielding a pair of them. I scrounged a set of crafed armor (fucking bigass BLUEBERRY for a warrior) for him before level 20.
These things altered the game, but I was still risking death. A Fungi Tunic would have been something completely different. In the early levels I would have been unkillable and into my mid 20's or so (given semi-moderate weapons) I would have been damn near unstoppable still. When I can walk up to an even con mob in my mid 30's and still walk away from it because of 1 item that I'm using, there's something a bit out of synch about this. Yes, my warrior has done that. Between the weapons I've gathered (Mith Staff... Black Jack... Sap of Piety... Wakazshi of Frozen Skies...) and the armor I have (Mith Arms, Mith Legs, the Fungi Tunic on loan from my shaman, AC/HP rings, etc, etc) I've managed to walk away from even con mobs solo in Overthere. If it wasn't for the tunic, I wouldn't have been able to do it. THAT is what I have the issue with.
They did this same thing with Manastone. After a cleric hits 39, a manastone is an UNGODLY abusable thing. Now there are robes in the game that have a similar effect, but no where near as abusable and the Manastone is all but gone. This is the same thing with the Fungi that's being discussed. It's being abused far too much, and they've managed to come up with a way to eliminate the abuse without completely eliminating the item.
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There was much rejoicing when Skaw said this:
Fixed a problem Tier
Only monks are good at H2H. Others can use it but can't deal damage for shit.
Yes, even beastlords, their H2H sucks.
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Tier had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Only monks are good at H2H. Others can use it but can't deal damage for shit.Yes, even beastlords, their H2H sucks.
Not really Tier. At 26, mine hits for more than my offhand weapon does, but slower.
I can fight off a blue con pretty well while doing a CR. [ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]
*grin*
just messin round.
And only l337 twinkers can see the question...
or i rambled and forgot it. your pick.
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Falaanla Marr's account was hax0red to write:
So now that you aredone PLing with it, RIG, you are against it?*grin*
just messin round.
And only l337 twinkers can see the question...
or i rambled and forgot it. your pick.
I'll admit, I abused it. Yes it's over powered and yes it should be corrected.
That's the difference. Giantt over here doesn't see that there's ANYTHING wrong with it at all. I see it as being over powered, and I happen to be one of the lucky ones who has been able to abuse it from time to time. Giantt doesn't want to admit that it is excessive and is in need of repair while I fully admit that it's bordering on exploitation in some cases and it needs to be remedied.
*THAT* is a key difference.
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How.... RPC.... uughhhhhh:
I'll admit, I abused it. Yes it's over powered and yes it should be corrected.That's the difference.
Giantt over here doesn't see that there's ANYTHING wrong with it at all. I see it as being over powered, and I happen to be one of the lucky ones who has been able to abuse it from time to time. Giantt doesn't want to admit that it is excessive and is in need of repair while I fully admit that it's bordering on exploitation in some cases and it needs to be remedied.
*THAT* is a key difference.
Hey hey hey hey! I'm not saying it's not overpowered, I'm just saying that by the time the game actually matters enough to care about ONE THING such a small part of the population of EQ has, it's not overpowered anymore.
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Giantt was listening to Cher while typing:
Hey hey hey hey! I'm not saying it's not overpowered, I'm just saying that by the time the game actually matters enough to care about ONE THING such a small part of the population of EQ has, it's not overpowered anymore.
If it's overpowered, it's overpowered. If having this item unreasonably unbalances an aspect of the game, it shouldn't be allowed. You're whining and citing this as the final straw on your decision to leave. It obviouly can't be such a small thing if you're leaving because of this.
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RPC's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
If it's overpowered, it's overpowered. If having this item unreasonably unbalances an aspect of the game, it shouldn't be allowed. You're whining and citing this as the final straw on your decision to leave. It obviouly can't be such a small thing if you're leaving because of this.
I'm not leaving because of the fungi alone, lol. It's just because the replayability for ME, at least, just got nuked quite a bit.
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Verily, Giantt doth proclaim:
I'm not leaving because of the fungi alone, lol. It's just because the replayability for ME, at least, just got nuked quite a bit.
Again, YOU cited THIS as the FINAL STRAW on your decision to quit.
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So quoth Random Insanity Generator:
Again, YOU cited THIS as the FINAL STRAW on your decision to quit.
Who to the what why?
If you meant that I said that the fungi thing was the final straw, then you misunderstood me. If you meant the entire twink nerf thing, then yes, you are correct.
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Giantt stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Who to the what why?If you meant that I said that the fungi thing was the final straw, then you misunderstood me. If you meant the entire twink nerf thing, then yes, you are correct.
How could we misunderstand this:
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Giantt Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Well, that was kinda the final straw for me.Giantt sez: n0 $ 4 u, Verant~
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Densetsu probably says this to all the girls:
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I'm not entirely sure how you would manage to misunderstand that and somehow twist it to make you think that I quit only because of the fungi and not the twinking thing in general, but maybe I'm missing something 
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Black Mage said this about your mom:
]No kidding.All the morons who quit this game over a nice 'fix' should have been gone a long time ago.
My Warrior's ability to solo is the only thing keeping me playing EverQuest daily, since even the most populated mid level zones are dead empty when I get the chance to play. With that taken away, I won't be playing anymore.
So, in closing, fuck off kk thx la~
quote:Too bad, so sad.
Comrade_Snoota was naked while typing this:
My Warrior's ability to solo is the only thing keeping me playing EverQuest daily, since even the most populated mid level zones are dead empty when I get the chance to play. With that taken away, I won't be playing anymore.So, in closing, fuck off kk thx la~
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Black Mage wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Too bad, so sad.
Not really. I just don't appreciate being called a moron simply because I do something you don't.
I don't make fun of people who don't twink. Why should I be made fun of for twinking? In fact, everytime I power level my Warrior with my Druid I buff every group in the zone(since I try to do the lesser populated zones to stay out people's way and not ruin their game, there's not many people to buff), and give out loot that drops that I don't need. There's a level 13 untwinked Iksar Warrior with a grim aura earring because Grenshwhat'shisname dropped it and I didn't need it, and he happened to walk past me shortly after it dropped.(ONO! Tier going to yell at me now. He wanted one for his evil TWINK) I logged off my Warrior and ported my Cleric all the way to Permafrost once(before they added the Surefall Glade port. I love that spell now ) because some newbie group accidently fell into one of the floor traps while I was there power leveling.
And I have yet to meet another 'twink' who acts the way you all describe. In fact, every single twink(I mean 'real' twinks. Full wu's with fighting baton's on a Monk isn't a 'twink' ) I know hunt in the same under populated zones I do because they don't want to interfere with the people trying to level naturally in the better zones.
But sorry.. I'm a moron and apparently ruin every other person on the entire server's experience because I play the game the way I like.
And, on another note, give it up already RIG. Every time you get involved in some kind of debate you just repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and spread your word like it's gospel, all the while freely insulting everyone who disagrees with you. You remind me of Maradon when you get started.
quote:Don't care.
Comrade_Snoota had this to say about Tron:
Not really. I just don't appreciate being called a moron simply because I do something you don't.
*Eats your head*
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A sleep deprived Comrade_Snoota stammered:
Figured you wouldn't. You were always one of the bigger assholes around here when people disagreed with you.
OH HO HO!
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Comrade_Snoota wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
(I mean 'real' twinks. Full wu's with fighting baton's on a Monk isn't a 'twink')
Question: Do you mean that they have given themselves too much to be a "real" twink, or not enough?
Myself, I would LOVE to have the cash and supplies to twink out a character that much. The only one I have even close to that level (including my main) is my Vah Shir shaman that's using all the stuff on loan from a friend till he decides to come back to EQ.
quote:Now you're grasping at straws.
Comrade_Snoota painfully thought these words up:
Or just asshole in general.OH HO HO!
I mean, I don't like straws. Not even with Fast Food cups. I just don't put a lid on it and drink it out of the cup.
Straws are for sissies.
But I'm a clean sissy.
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Palador ChibiDragon said this about your mom:
Question: Do you mean that they have given themselves too much to be a "real" twink, or not enough?
Not enough! But then again, I was one of those l33t uber guild assholes who ruin the game for the little guy in my heyday.
Overpowered? hell no.
I can log on a 56 druid at the same time as a new character, and buff the crap out of a n00b and beat the hell out of what id get from a fungi.
in the grand scheme of things, the fungi is merely saving someone from begging a dr00d for uber regen
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Falaanla Marr thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
powerful, yes.Overpowered? hell no.
I can log on a 56 druid at the same time as a new character, and buff the crap out of a n00b and beat the hell out of what id get from a fungi.
in the grand scheme of things, the fungi is merely saving someone from begging a dr00d for uber regen
However most druids don't hang around n00b zones.
I pay for the account on a 60 Druid, a 60 Chanter AND a 58 Cleric... and I'm still 54... Just because someone "has access to" doesn't mean "they always have"...
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Oh yea.. and if you look around.. alot of the "uberguilders" like this change as well. FUX! that just screwed your arguement.
Ubderguilds don't care, just so you know. Any uberguild knows, that a fungi is good for having in your tink bag in case you need to heal. Other wise, they suck. The stats, and AC blows, and the minimal regen on a mob aeing for 1k, and hitting for 1k (AoW) does jack shit. (with the exception of monks putting it on while FD, waiting for a split, ect.)
As for playing the game, Well, who are YOU to tell ME how to play the game? If I want to twink a charecter with a fungi (which I have) I will, because, you know what, its FUN.
I leveled to 60, and have done it the hard way, no help. Leveled a Ranger to 49, no help. I have played the game, for almost 3 years, and if I want to play the game, a little easier, then I deserve that.
I aslo belive that "tradewhoring" is a way of playing the game, too. They work and earn stuff, just diffrently. Again, let people play the game how they have fun playing it. I don't tell you what gun to use in CS, don't tell me what to give my alts. Sorry for my rant, but that is how I feel.
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Kegwen stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Eumin r0x.
Asskisser.
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Eumin Enchantiflyer wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
As for playing the game, Well, who are YOU to tell ME how to play the game? If I want to twink a charecter with a fungi (which I have) I will, because, you know what, its FUN.
(1) *EDIT* I am a fucktard because I can't READ. Ignore Point #1
(2) Your version of "fun" is not suited to a MMOLG... It's suited to Single player games and things like Quake. You don't care about developing a character, you just wanna kill shit and make numbers change. This is all well and good, but EQ isn't meant to be played like that. [ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Random Insanity Generator ]
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From the book of Random Insanity Generator, chapter 3, verse 16:
(2) Your version of "fun" is not suited to a MMOLG... It's suited to Single player games and things like Quake. You don't care about developing a character, you just wanna kill shit and make numbers change. This is all well and good, but EQ isn't meant to be played like that.[/QB]
I have a fungi on my 28 rogue so he doesn't die. I group, and Learn to play the rogue. And when I can't get a group, I solo, because with a fungi, I can.
What happens when I am in a full group, and my rogue is wearing a fungi? Well, I can tank, and make it easier on my entire group. I let the enchanter mez, ect. I just don't need heals. It affects more than just my playing, in a good way. and doesn't effect anyone else in a bad way.
I have also learned how to plan an enchanter on almost every high, AND low end encounter, in the game. From level 1 to 60, from crushbone, to Ssra/ToV-N.
I count that as developing, Thanks.
Let me know when you solo chant thoes areas on a regular basis.
Chatacter development goes beyond that. Unfortunately due to the number of people who play the game from your point of view EQ has been reclassed to a MMOG from a MMORPG...
Kegwen said he can play an enchanter, and do it well. Well, Kegwen, I belive you. Its possible, and you are a good player.
But you learned how to play an enchanter. I on the other hand, have built instincts on how to play one, which is a diffrence. That is why I group my rogue, and any other twinks I may have in the future. But I have done the 1-50 thing with no help, and now I'd like a little help, which I get from twinking.
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Random Insanity Generator had this to say about Cuba:
Let me know when you solo chant thoes areas on a regular basis.
If you are refering to me, well, I have been the only enchanter most of the encounters I have been in. And I may die a bit, but I can do my job, and safe to say, do it well.
Twinking would be handing your rogue some Kunark armor and some decent weapons.
Item Abuse would be a full set of MQ Kael armor, a Fungi, and some of the dragon dropped daggers.
In the first instance, you're going to get that anyway at some point, or you're going to get close to it. You're not an unkillable machine, you're just resistant. The second instance, you're a juggernaut. You don't need the group, you ARE the group.
Verant is going back and correcting issues of Item Abuse. Notice that the Iksar BP hasn't been changed? It's only 19 AC and 6 HP a tick. At level 1, you're pratically unkillable, but that stops being true as you hit double digits. With a Fungi and some other minor items I can be pratically unkillable into the 20's....
