Then you're worried about your monks equipment, to drive you to quitting. And saying you have knowledge of the game of all class aspects, and that you can play them decently.

What would equipment matter, since you're so well educated in how the class works, the equipment shouldn't? I play a warrior equipped with gear equal to what he could have bought with the cash he earned. As well as a twink-free Beastlord(Cannot solo whites + with warrior, can solo yellows if lucky on beastlord.) I die with both of them, so what? I also gain experience with them alot more than I lose. I win a fight, I have 3 options. Heal myself up to a decent set of HP, chance it with my current HP, or sit out for a few minutes to get full health and go in at my best.

You're the one whining here.

Just because you don't think you need to earn what you have. Verant thinks so.

You don't A) deserve equipment that powerful at your level. B) need equipment that powerful at that level. and C) have to be allowed to have equipment that powerful at that level.

I didn't. With any of my characters. I succeed. So should you.

Oh, and "OK" on a 50+ raid(ToV, Greig's) is not an option, Unless its a basic planar raid. But being the lootwhore you seem to be, you wouldn't think twice of going to either Fear, Hate, or Air, unless it was for an epic item.

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ACES! Another post by Giantt:
In the end, though, you can't win this argument. I am arguing from the point of my opinion that is that the low end game doesn't matter the slightest and that it is just a timesink.

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Wooo, you are clueless =)

The low level game encompasses 90% of the EQ population. Casual gamers outnumber uber and post 50 players by 10 fold easily.

The reason you dont notice this? Becuase casual gamers are quiet, stay off most message boards, and bitch the least.

But just because you can't hear them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Oh and for the earlier comment of Risk vs Reward (whoever made it)...I have 1 word for ya, 'Lodizal'

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Giantt attempted to be funny by writing:
Never said I would. But in the time it takes for me to level from 51-60, I'll have learned sufficiently to do "OK" on a raid. I've never strived to be the best in anything. It's just not worth it.

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YOu're not going to have a place because you haven't earned it.

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Skaw attempted to be funny by writing:
Saying people who are worried over the Fungi Monk triviality are pathetic and jealous.

They are.

Then you're worried about your monks equipment, to drive you to quitting. And saying you have knowledge of the game of all class aspects, and that you can play them decently.

I have never said that was the only thing that made me quit. It was just the final straw. You're making assumptions

What would equipment matter, since you're so well educated in how the class works, the equipment shouldn't? I play a warrior equipped with gear equal to what he could have bought with the cash he earned. As well as a twink-free Beastlord. I die with both of them, so what? I also gain experience with them alot more than I lose. I win a fight, I have 3 options. Heal myself up to a decent set of HP, chance it with my current HP, or sit out for a few minutes to get full health and go in at my best.

Yes. But with twinking, that can be done faster. And I don't want to stay in the low-end game any more than I HAVE to.

You're the one whining here.

Already stated once that I was whining as well as you are. Only your arguments are kinda pathetic because they're based on jealousy and the feeling that I should go through the same hardship that you have.

Just because you don't think you need to earn what you have. Verant thinks so.

I have earned my fungi. It's taken me alot of hours to get it.

You don't A) deserve equipment that powerful at your level.

I earned it myself. It's mine. Let me use it.

B) need equipment that powerful at that level.

No, but it certainly helps. It's like the luxuries of EQ.

and C) have to be allowed to have equipment that powerful at that level.

Why not?

I didn't. With any of my characters. I succeed. So should you.

Who are you to tell me what I should do? You may succeed, but not at half the speed I do.

Oh, and "OK" on a raid is not an option, Unless its a basic planar raid. But being the lootwhore you seem to be, you wouldn't think twice of going to either Fear, Hate, or Air, unless it was for an epic item.

That depends on your definition of "OK". And no, I probably wouldn't. I'm a pretty egoistical person. That probably comes from living in a socialistic country.

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Reynar probably says this to all the girls:

Wooo, you are clueless =)

The low level game encompasses 90% of the EQ population. Casual gamers outnumber uber and post 50 players by 10 fold easily.

The reason you dont notice this? Becuase casual gamers are quiet, stay off most message boards, and bitch the least.

But just because you can't hear them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Oh and for the earlier comment of Risk vs Reward (whoever made it)...I have 1 word for ya, 'Lodizal'

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That doesn't make the low end game matter the slightest bit more to ME. Read my earlier post, thank you.

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RPC stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
YOu're not going to have a place because you haven't earned it.

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I dunno. I was doing pretty good before my hiatus. But maybe that's just your server.

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You don't A) deserve equipment that powerful at your level.

I earned it myself. It's mine. Let me use it.

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OMG! Really? With a level 28 monk camping the mob? Dude, I bow to you!

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B) need equipment that powerful at that level.

No, but it certainly helps. It's like the luxuries of EQ.

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There are no luxuries of EQ.

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C) have to be allowed to have equipment that powerful at that level.

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Because that is not your decision. It's Verants.

You see, Verant neither supported, nor denied twinking. It didn't severely jeopardize the encounters in the old worlds.

But now the high-end tradeable equipment(which is meant to keep the high-end economy running), does jeopardize those encounters. That is where it became a problem. And for once in a long time, VI did the smart choice of correcting the problem.

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Giantt impressed everyone with:
That doesn't make the low end game matter the slightest bit more to ME. Read my earlier post, thank you.

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Tell you what, I'll read your posts again, if you can learn to makeup your mind and not ninja edit.

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We were all impressed when Tier wrote:
Okay, quit the fucking game and let us celebrate already.

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I tried to 2 pages ago

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Reynar wrote this then went back to looking for porn:

Tell you what, I'll read your posts again, if you can learn to makeup your mind and not ninja edit.

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I've never ninja editted anything out in this thread. Changed a few words, sure. I meant my post regarding the "Low end game no mattar~" = "Low end game no mattar to me~" posts. I apologized for that, I should have been clear about it from the beginning.

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How.... Skaw.... uughhhhhh:
[QUOTE][qb]You don't A) deserve equipment that powerful at your level.

I earned it myself. It's mine. Let me use it.

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OMG! Really? With a level 28 monk camping the mob? Dude, I bow to you!

WHY, YES! OHO! Skaw, use that brain of yours. I know you can do it. I used my warrior. Sigh. Sscaly was just my main for a while.

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B) need equipment that powerful at that level.

No, but it certainly helps. It's like the luxuries of EQ.

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There are no luxuries of EQ.

I just told you there is.

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C) have to be allowed to have equipment that powerful at that level.

Why not?

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Because that is not your decision. It's Verants.

Point taken.
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I told you already. It's okay, we can say that you win. I give up.

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Giantt's account was hax0red to write:
CAN I LEAVE THE FUCKING THREAD NOW OR DO YOU ABSOLUTELY FEEL THE NEED TO ARGUE?

I told you already. It's okay, we can say that you win. I give up.

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Um, you're free to leave the thread anytime.

Just don't click on it again.

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A sleep deprived Reynar stammered:
This thread is entertaining =)

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I felt kind of guilty about using it all. It was cheap.

If they nerf some of it, I'll still use it. I'll just be feeling better about it because it will be lowered in power to what I should have (more or less).

And unlike some of you, I saw something like this coming. Alot of those new Mage summoned focus items have recomended levels on them (looks like about 4 levels below the spell). I just figured that instead of nerfing stuff like the tunic, they would make it so that it no longer dropped and a level restricted version dropped instead.

I like this change.

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Black Mage had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
[QUOTE]A sleep deprived Reynar stammered:
[qb]This thread is entertaining =)

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wtf ban tihs moronz!!~

Caps quota met for the day.

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Giantt had this to say about Knight Rider:
I dunno. I was doing pretty good before my hiatus. But maybe that's just your server.

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Seems we have a difference of opinion on "Raid".

The people that I would consider raiding with are the upper crust of the server (and my server is really crusty..). They don't put up with shit. Just getting the chance to raid with them requires and act of god unless you're well known. Since you soloed your way up, you'd be unknown. You're not worth the risk. You'd never get invited and therefor never raid.

The raids I think you're talking about are the things like "Hey, I see a ton of people gathering at the pyramyid in Nek.. must be a Hate raid... Wonder if they need another *insert class here*?" Thoes aren't raids, thoes are pickup groups gone bad. Granted enough of these at the right time and place may eventually get you an invite to the real raids, but most likely during these pissant events you're going to show that you're an average player at best and not really worth remembering or inviting unless *insert class here* is really needed for a raid....

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The logic train ran off the tracks when Tier said:
wtf ban tihs moronz!!~

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Kegwen stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
The argument against twinking sounds very much like an old person telling his grandson that he doesn't deserve modern day luxuries simply because they weren't availiable to him when he was but a wee lad.

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So when did life become a game with a definitive set of rules and the idea that there should be balance?

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The logic train ran off the tracks when RPC said:
So when did life become a game with a definitive set of rules and the idea that there should be balance?

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Kegwen was listening to Cher while typing:

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Sooo, you're saying EQ is Communist?

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Check out the big brain on Kegwen!

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Ah... so you live in former communist Russia?

Then your grandfather is right you whiny bitch.

Over here in the US, that doesn't apply though... This isn't a game, it's not fair and it's DAMN sure not balanced. Therefor your comparison of Twinking vs Modern Convienence doesn't hold up...

They better not nerf the little things, dragoon dirks, sarnak emblazed tabbards and such

What always annoys me is good items on merchants, sure, they don't go for 1k or something... people may not even know about 'em, but at the very least people could sell them for merchant price to a player, 12pp is a good price for damn well any item

I twink, yes, but at the same time if tey decided I couldn't, oh well, that's life

I twink so I can live longer and keep my group alive longer. If I am a tank with no ac, then I will die, and probabaly my group will too, but if I invest 1k into my equipment I cna insure I live a lot longer and keep my group alive a lot better

I don't care about the high game, I have no interest in ever getting to 46 because I've read so many bad things about the end game

Heck, I will never get the freakin' testament of Venaer (sp) because I know I would not willingly sit in one spot for hours waiting for a single mob to appear

I play to play, starting at like level 16 things become as interesting as they can to me

But that's just me, if losing a single item makes you want to quit, go ahead, it's not my money. Spend it how you like

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RPC had this to say about Captain Planet:
Ah... so you live in former communist Russia?

Then your grandfather is right you whiny bitch.

Over here in the US, that doesn't apply though... This isn't a game, it's not fair and it's DAMN sure not balanced. Therefor your comparison of Twinking vs Modern Convienence doesn't hold up...

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The USSR thing was obviously a joke. I know that EQ and life can't be compared in that way, but it was the best example I could think of. Think of the grandfather as the guy who has played 3 years and doesn't have a character over 50 and the grandson as guy with several 50+ characters... or something...

Yeah...

*backs away from argument*

I disagree with Verant's decision, but I honestly don't care about EQ anymore. Last month I paid for a 6 month subscription. After that runs out, I'm done with EQ. Unless I change my mind during that time, which is possible...

I've seen an ogre solo most of CT at level 35, he was twinked with all sorts of crazy things

He had obviously been doing it since level 1

Hell, he probabaly hadn't died since level 1

I like the low level game, non-stop brawls against yellows in Highkeep is down right awesome

I still find it hilarious when people say, and I quote
/ooc level 20 monk with fungi LFG

There is something just so wrong about that

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We were all impressed when Vorago wrote:
I twink, yes, but at the same time if tey decided I couldn't, oh well, that's life

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Heck, I will never get the freakin' testament of Venaer (sp) because I know I would not willingly sit in one spot for hours waiting for a single mob to appear

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That camp sucked. I got there approximately 15 minutes after he was killed... I didn't know that until 7 hours and 45 minutes later.

Edit: fixed a factual error

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Kegwen stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
The USSR thing was obviously a joke.

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And your Grandfather is still right, comrade....

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We were all impressed when Vorago wrote:
I never have so much as touched a Fungi Tunic myself... but I honestly can't figure out how eliminating pretty much all chance of dying can be fun

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That's a good one!!! ROOFLEZ!!11

After level 15 or so, the Fungi Tunic was basically a downtime reducer. Even cons in LOIO would come very close to killing me.

People who haven't used the tunic personally have this radically exaggerated view of it's power... I know I did.

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Kegwen had this to say about John Romero:
I disagree with Verant's decision, but I honestly don't care about EQ anymore. Last month I paid for a 6 month subscription. After that runs out, I'm done with EQ. Unless I change my mind during that time, which is possible...

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Can I have your stuff? You're even on the same server.

Im not gonna join in an argument here, its not worth it. people WONT change their views either way.

But, RIG, a question for you on things:

You stated that life does not have a definitive set of rules, and that its not balanced (yes, greatly simplified.

Well, games are for one thing, and one thing only. Entertainment.

Giantt, on one hand, enjoys twinking, and does not enjoy the lower levels. He knows how things will be for him at higher levels, and accepts that.

You don't like twinking. You are more than welcome to hold that belief too

I look at it like this: I am not directly affecting you with my twinking unless i take an item in a group where you needed it, or someone else did

While they may shred through mobs faster, and may not be as good in a group, some are just as good in a group. Some many have played a 60 warrior on another server, moved over to be with friends, and been twinked to high heaven. I know i research a class before twinking here.

You wouldnt be raiding with them anyway, so their lack of skill doesnt affect you at all. there are so many low level places to hunt that you can find an out of the way spot to hunt as a twink and not disturb someone.

*shrug*

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ImNotTrent's account was hax0red to write:
Can I have your stuff? You're even on the same server.

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The only decent equipment is on my druid... I'll think about it

/me runs!

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Kennatsu had this to say about Pirotess:
Um.. what if they made it so the required level to equip rusty/tarnished weapons, tattered leather and junior apprentice robes is level 6?

/me runs!

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I need to remember to get some sleep before editing my posts next tome.........

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