I'm thinking of calling it the Honorable Association Notoriously Discrediting Josef Or Benefactors.
I think the saddest thing here is the bandwagon disease. Everyone here wants to be liked. Everyone here wants to 'belong'.. So much so that they'd put something in their sig that they didn't even knew what it stood for.
This hate group that was formed is no better than any other hate group made by people out there who only do these things to make themselves feel better.
This all festered by spreading mail and private messages to people about what someone else had done, granted not a sterling past, but none of us are perfect. It's no one's job but Drysart to moderate peoples behavior here.
Right now, looking at the people who did put this in their sigs, and for those who did know what it meant, those that even went so far as to be a supporter and think that it was a good idea, I ... don't even know what to say. How could you think this would help?
For those that got wrapped up in this by this in simple bandwagon mentality, I hope you've learned something about yourselves.
For the rest of this community, use this as a lesson and know what terrible things can be brewed by misunderstandings, hatred and immaturity. Be better than that.
steps off the moral high horse into some mud and sighs
Awww man... I just got these shoes!
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Bloodsage had this to say about Captain Planet:
Of that, I have no doubt.But I'd like to . . . mmmmmmmm, Gwen Steffani . . .
This is just the seventy-zillionth public bitch-out, sans nom, I've noticed here, and it's become a pet peeve of mine.
Actually, I was waiting on posting the name of the person that started all of this until people gave their opinions, so that they werent biased by the name of a person.
The person that started all of this was none other than Parcelan.
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]
A.K.F. meant "Anti-Kekvit Front", by the way.
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Robocop:
Actually, I was waiting on posting the name of the person that started all of this until people gave their opinions, so that they werent biased by the name of a person.The person that started all of this was none other than Parcelan.
A.K.F. meant "Anti-Kekvit Front", by the way.
This was known to me.
I have my reasons to dislike Kekvit. So does Parc. This was a pretty pointless act, however.
*shrug*
Now, the question would be: Does it deserve a public stoning from the 95% of the people that know far from all the facts? [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]
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Za'Yth had this to say about pies:
This was known to me.I have my reasons to dislike Kekvit. So does Parc. This was a pretty pointless act, however.
*shrug*
Now, the question would be, does it deserve a public stoning from the 95% of the people that know far from all the facts.
I am sure that most of the people would agree that the REASONS behind this were VALID reasons, Za'Yth.
The METHOD that was used in going about handling the situation is what this thread is about. NOT the motivation.
Thanks, Falaanla.
I really do think the best way to foil this kind of behavior is simply to make it public.
And Peachis makes a great point, too. Rock on.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Cuba:
I am sure that most of the people would agree that the REASONS behind this were VALID reasons, Za'Yth.The METHOD that was used in going about handling the situation is what this thread is about. NOT the motivation.
Agreed. But not everyone knows the reasons, so the question is wheter this will actually be solved or turned into a dungpile of flames :/ [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]
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Za'Yth wrote this stupid crap:
Agreed. But not everyone knows the reasons, so the question is wheter this will actually be solved or turned into a dungpile of flames :/
The reasons behind A.K.F are moot right now. They dont matter. for all i care, he could hate kekvit for something tiny or something large. ITS THE WAY THAT HE WENT ABOUT WITH THIS THAT HAS ME ANGRY. THAT IS WHY I AM NOT HAPPY RIGHT NOW.
I REPEAT. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY THE A.K.F WAS STARTED. WHAT MATTERS IS THE SECRET HATE GROUPS THAT WERE CREATED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO GET SOMEONE BANNED.
Understand now? [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]
It's not like we have secret underground meetings where we sacraficed lambs to the anti-Kekvit gods. We didn't have goblets ready to drink his blood. To me it was just something that was there.
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Suddar Williams had this to say about John Romero:
I don't know about everybody else, but I didn't "hop onto a bandwagon." This isn't the kind of thing that would really applies to--everybody who put the little "A.K.F." tag in their sigs was viewed the same by me as they always had been. I might consider some jackasses, and I might consider some friends. I dislike Kekvit. Greatly. And I do not and will not hide it. But when I put the tag in my sig, honestly, I didn't really think about how far the whole thing could and would be pushed. And if it was pushed as much in reality as Falaanla says it was, I don't want to be a part of it.It's not like we have secret underground meetings where we sacraficed lambs to the anti-Kekvit gods. We didn't have goblets ready to drink his blood. To me it was just something that was there.
so you put something in your sig to brag about having a hatred for someone?
Why?
Say you dont like them if they ask. no need to wear it like a banner.
If you dont like someone and have good reasons and think they shoudl be banned, LET DRYSART KNOW.
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Duck Tales:
The reasons behind A.K.F are moot right now. They dont matter. for all i care, he could hate kekvit for something tiny or something large. ITS THE WAY THAT HE WENT ABOUT WITH THIS THAT HAS ME ANGRY. THAT IS WHY I AM NOT HAPPY RIGHT NOW.I REPEAT. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY THE APF WAS STARTED. WHAT MATTERS IS THE SECRET HATE GROUPS THAT WERE CREATED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO GET SOMEONE BANNED.
Understand now?
I understood your point from the start, Fal. But the fact is, the reasons do matter.
People can do idiotic things out of anger and hate, especially if the person they hate has done not-especially-nice things to friends and people you like.
If he didn't have a reason for doing it, this would have been way worse imo. And from the way this thread sounds, it's gonne generally be assumed that this was done just because like, hating is fun, or Parcelan likes to piss on people, or whatever.
And we all know where it would go from then.
It might be unavoidable, but I suggest that you also put out what caused this, so people have all the facts.
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Za'Yth had this to say about Tron:
I understood your point from the start, Fal. But the fact is, the reasons do matter.People can do idiotic things out of anger and hate, especially if the person they hate has done not-especially-nice things to friends and people you like.
If he didn't have a reason for doing it, this would have been way worse imo. And from the way this thread sounds, it's gonne generally be assumed that this was done just because like, hating is fun, or Parcelan likes to piss on people, or whatever.
And we all know where it would go from then.
It might be unavoidable, but I suggest that you also put out what caused this, so people have all the facts.
Whatever.
I'm glad you asked, the sins of Kekvit are long, horrible, and malicious.
1. He lied and decieved the whole community into thinking he was a woman. Now, I have nothing against men who play women, but Kekvit did it with the sole intent of getting some from either side. It got to the point where he had actually formed a romance with another man here, and was intentionally leading him on.
2. He saw to it to break up an RL friendship between (person has nothing to do with this) and (person has nothing to do with this) they've since repaired their relationship, but Kekvit's sin cannot be forgiven.
3. He's an attention whore, through and through. Any time he felt he wasn't getting enough attention, he threatened to commit suicide. He did it every week or so to the point that it became totally ridiculous. Suicide is not something to be jesting about lightly, and neither is manipulating peoples' emotions like that.
4. He came into the chat room and harrassed (person has nothing to do with this) because she wouldn't have cybersex with him. He harr! assed her so much to the point she won't even come back to the room anymore. Those of us who enjoyed her company, like me, are sorely irritated by this fact.
5. He became so obsessed with (person has nothing to do with this) female character (person has nothing to do with this) that he started sending (person has nothing to do with this) money via paypal. When (person has nothing to do with this) stopped doing shit with Kekvit, the fucking freak tried to send him money to "bring (person has nothing to do with this) back".
6. On general terms: He's a manipulative, conniving, attention-whoring psychopath who refuses to get help for his exceedingly obvious mental problems and will do anything to anyone to get attention.
7. He sent lewd, inappropriate pictures to a 12 year-old who shall remain nameless. This is grounds for child molestation, a serious crime.
That is why I hate Kekvit. That is why everyone else hates Kekvit. That is why Kekvit must be banned for good.
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Happy now Za'yth? Now everyone can know everything.
Hope you are quite happy.
The names that were edited out are not a part of this in any way shape or form. They should not be mentioned here.
I hope you are happy now.
I really do.
and here is what parce just said to me in a PM.
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I appreciate your concern, and your concern for Kekvit is admirable. However, I must say the war is far from over.
Kekvit merely claims to have stopped posting here. He cannot be trusted to uphold that. This is his only outlet for his addiction to the attention he craves.
I will inform the members of Kekvit's recent proclamation, however, the APF cannot be disbanded until the threat is removed entirely. We must remain on our toes.
Just as an added note: I know everyone has problems. I have more than a few of them myself. However, Kekvit refuses to get rid of his problems, and his problems cause him to hurt others. He is a festering sore on the face of this community, and he must be eliminated at almost all costs.
Judging by how many joined, and how quick they were to join the APF, I'd say I'm not the only one with that opinion.
Kekvit's manipulative hold on this board will come to an end.
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There. There is all of it.
Even though none of it has to do with the problem that I have, the problem with the way Parcelan went ABOUT this. [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]
-I founded the group in question
-I led the group in question
-I fully the supported the goal of the group in question.
I am not ashamed of that. At all. I stood for what I believed in, instead of talking behind other peoples' backs.
Now, as to why it was formed.
The person in question has long been a thorn in this community's side. He has been a person of few morals, and deeply craving attention.
There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone wants to be given attention. However, the person in question took their craving too far.
The person in question began doing anything for attention. Including harrassing several of this community's members. Long have we all tolerated the person in question's antics of disrupting the board with their dungpiles.
When they begin harrassing other people out of spite and malice, I drew the line. I refrain from quoting specifics due to the lack of consent from those harrassed, but they are there. You can certainly bet they are.
The person in question is a scab in this community. He itches, and causes pain to get his scratchings, and as long as we continue to scratch and pick it, it will never heal.
Take your moral high grounds. I stood for what I believed in. I stood so that this person wouldn't harrass any more of this community's members. I stood, because I refuse to let manipulative emotional terrorists have their jollies at the expense of others.
That is my explanation. I believe that answers everything. Tell me how hatemongering destroys communities, tell me how I'm a violent bastard, tell me anything.
And I'll tell you what I stood up for.
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Falaanla Marr wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
so you put something in your sig to brag about having a hatred for someone?Why?
Say you dont like them if they ask. no need to wear it like a banner.
If you dont like someone and have good reasons and think they shoudl be banned, LET DRYSART KNOW.
Don't put your words in my mouth, Falaanla. I didn't think about all the implications of it, okay? Yeah, so I'm a moron, and yeah, the tag is gone now, and yeah, I admitted I was wrong. I have no excuse for doing what I did and I apologized. I'm being sincere here: I DID NOT MEAN TO PUSH MY VIEWS OR FEELINGS ON TO ANYONE ELSE. I DID NOT MEAN TO IMPLY THE THINGS HAVING THAT TAG IN MY SIG IMPLIED.
I do not like Kekvit. But I have and could continue to live with him if I had to. It made little difference to me whether or not he got banned. End of story.
And there's no reason to be snippy against me. I didn't partake in said "hate group", I just called for letting people form their own opinions on the entire thing.
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Suddar Williams had this to say about Cuba:
Don't put your words in my mouth, Falaanla. I didn't think about all the implications of it, okay? Yeah, so I'm a moron, and yeah, the tag is gone now, and yeah, I admitted I was wrong. I have no excuse for doing what I did and I apologized. I'm being sincere here: I DID NOT MEAN TO PUSH MY VIEWS OR FEELINGS ON TO ANYONE ELSE. I DID NOT MEAN TO IMPLY THE THINGS HAVING THAT TAG IN MY SIG IMPLIED.I do not like Kekvit. But I have and could continue to live with him if I had to. It made little difference to me whether or not he got banned. End of story.
Thanks. 
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
Let me answer a few questions, and start by saying a few things.-I founded the group in question
-I led the group in question
-I fully the supported the goal of the group in question.I am not ashamed of that. At all. I stood for what I believed in, instead of talking behind other peoples' backs.
Now, as to why it was formed.
The person in question has long been a thorn in this community's side. He has been a person of few morals, and deeply craving attention.
There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone wants to be given attention. However, the person in question took their craving too far.
The person in question began doing anything for attention. Including harrassing several of this community's members. Long have we all tolerated the person in question's antics of disrupting the board with their dungpiles.
When they begin harrassing other people out of spite and malice, I drew the line. I refrain from quoting specifics due to the lack of consent from those harrassed, but they are there. You can certainly bet they are.
The person in question is a scab in this community. He itches, and causes pain to get his scratchings, and as long as we continue to scratch and pick it, it will never heal.
Take your moral high grounds. I stood for what I believed in. I stood so that this person wouldn't harrass any more of this community's members. I stood, because I refuse to let manipulative emotional terrorists have their jollies at the expense of others.
That is my explanation. I believe that answers everything. Tell me how hatemongering destroys communities, tell me how I'm a violent bastard, tell me anything.
And I'll tell you what I stood up for.
Standing up for it is one thing.
Forming a hatemongering group is another.
Standing up for it is making a post, much like i did standing up for MY beliefs, and being UP FRONT with what you believe.
Being secretive takes no guts of any way shape or form though.
They joined.
That might tell you something.
I don't believe it's a "he needed killin' defense", so much as it was an attempt to rid the community of someone who thrived on the pain of others.
I refuse to do anything besides answer the presented grievances in this thread. Feel free to flame me. I'm not going to answer in kind.
ill be back later tonight.
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We were all impressed when Mr. Parcelan wrote:
None were forced to go in with the group. They were informed of what it stood for, they knew what we had planned, and they knew what the problems were.They joined.
That might tell you something.
I don't believe it's a "he needed killin' defense", so much as it was an attempt to rid the community of someone who thrived on the pain of others.
I refuse to do anything besides answer the presented grievances in this thread. Feel free to flame me. I'm not going to answer in kind.
one more reply before i leave.
You could have just as easily handled this by bringing it into the oppen in the beginning. making a post saying that anyone else that feels kekvit needs banning post in this thread so drysart can see how we feel.
but you had to be secretive about it.
and THATS my problem.
Did anyone ask you to make this group?
Did someone cry and whine and complain SO MUCH about his behavior that you saw NO OTHER way of dealing with it because you had tried every thing else?
Of course, you must have already gone to Drysart and been told by him, "Sorry, I am helpless at this because I am merely Drysart. I have no control over anything. I must employ you, Parcelan to rid the community of such a horrible beast".
That must be what happened.
The things that Kekvit's done in the past aren't right. No one is arguing that point. We've all done stupid shit. Some because they just don't know any better, some because they have serious mental problems.
But that doesn't make HOW you did this acceptable. It doesn't make the way you went about rallying hatred acceptable. It doesn't make the way in which you 'recruited' people acceptable. It doesn't make any of it acceptable.
You wanted to handle it personally? You should've talked personally to the people with it in their sigs.
I don't want to look like any more of a jackass than I already do for having that in my sig, so I'll shut up now.
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Mr. Parcelan thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
When they begin harrassing other people out of spite and malice, I drew the line. I refrain from quoting specifics due to the lack of consent from those harrassed, but they are there. You can certainly bet they are.
That is the wrong way to draw attention to the issue, in so many different ways that I can't even begin to count.
And you knew that as well, it was the reason for the secrecy. There were concerns about "mass bannings if Drysart finds out about it". (Actually, I've known about it for quite some time... everything finds its way to my ear eventually.)
This is the wrong way to behave. Forming a secret community with the intent to harass someone away from the board is childish and destructive to the community as a whole, no matter what the reason. Problems should be brought to me and I can deal with them in an effective manner.
I suppose though it's fortunate for you that Kekvit was banned for using the BAN ME tag before your secret society even started up, because if he'd been around for you to harass, you'd likely have run afoul of the "no intentional trolling" rule.
As it is, I considered several options before deciding to turn the K into a P, including banning Parcelan (don't think I wouldn't.. I banned Lyinar, remember?), but I decided that banning was a little overkill for someone simply being horribly misguided.
But, I've revised the board rules to make hatemongering a bannable offense, and anyone that continues with this silly conspiracy will get the full wrath of the banhammer.
OK, maybe I'll stop using humor disclaimers after this one. 
Please don't hurt me too much.
It seemed like a good idea at the time. It doesn't now. I'm sorry.
I do have personal beef with Kek, that I won't share here. It's really not even a big huge thing, especially compared to what happened to some people.
I had no idea it would go this far. I've read in this thread somewhere that someone was pressuring newbies to join--I knew nothing about that, at all.
Yeah, my Cool Point factor is probably gonna go down by a couple thou. And I don't care. I thought that at the time I was helping to fight for something that I supported. I realize now that the method was flawed.
Kloie wanders off.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Robocop:
Let me answer a few questions, and start by saying a few things.-I founded the group in question
-I led the group in question
-I fully the supported the goal of the group in question.I am not ashamed of that. At all. I stood for what I believed in, instead of talking behind other peoples' backs.
Now, as to why it was formed.
The person in question has long been a thorn in this community's side. He has been a person of few morals, and deeply craving attention.
There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone wants to be given attention. However, the person in question took their craving too far.
The person in question began doing anything for attention. Including harrassing several of this community's members. Long have we all tolerated the person in question's antics of disrupting the board with their dungpiles.
When they begin harrassing other people out of spite and malice, I drew the line. I refrain from quoting specifics due to the lack of consent from those harrassed, but they are there. You can certainly bet they are.
The person in question is a scab in this community. He itches, and causes pain to get his scratchings, and as long as we continue to scratch and pick it, it will never heal.
Take your moral high grounds. I stood for what I believed in. I stood so that this person wouldn't harrass any more of this community's members. I stood, because I refuse to let manipulative emotional terrorists have their jollies at the expense of others.
That is my explanation. I believe that answers everything. Tell me how hatemongering destroys communities, tell me how I'm a violent bastard, tell me anything.
And I'll tell you what I stood up for.
What you did was not standing up for something you believe in, it's the exact opposite of it. Let me simplify it for you using some examples:
Standing up for something you believe in: Someone posting an unpopular opinion and defending it.
Beeing an utter coward:
Forming an anonymous group afraid of mass banning and trying to harass someone out of a board.
I know I'm not directly involved in this thing, but this kind of mob mentality is somthing that greatly annoys me. You last post could have been considered stading up for your beliefs, but putting 'Member of the I hate bob really really much Fundiatition[misspelled on purpose]' is not. I don't want to talk about what Kekvid did/did not do, because I simply was not involved in the whole matter, but sucht behavior is not the way anyone decent would use to deal with a person they don't like.
Do you know what I was reminded of while I read your PM to fal? The paper on the use of the media in totalitarian and facist systems I'm currently doing research on. And this is not your standard 'your're a Nazi...wtf ever this means' insult, let me clarify:
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...the war is far from over...
...until the threat is removed entirely...
...he must be eliminated at almost all costs...
...Kekvit's manipulative hold on this board will come to an end...
Keep in mind that the PM had 3-4 short paragraphs.
This is exatly a thing Hitler used in his speeches. Military terms are applied in non-military contexts. The subject of killing or violence is seldom directly touched, but often implied (see 'Final Solution for the Jewish problem'), for the sake of making things seem less severe to the listener/reader. I don't think Parc wants to kill Kekvit, but I do want to show what kind of diction is used. From my point of view this is inacceptable.
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....We must remain on our toes....
...merely claims to have stopped posting...
...Kekvit's manipulative hold on this board will come to an end...
Here he is creating a 'threat' where there is none(Jewish conspiracy anyone?). I think we can agree on the fact that no single person can make EC fall apart, except for Drys, and that no person has a hold on EC except for Drys(and that's the way it should be, it's his money after all). Still, he is presenting Kekvit as a matter of life and death that must be 'dealt with' asap, and kept from ever coming back again.
Add in the insults 'Festering Sore' and the hiding behind ones followers 'Seeing as...' and you have a speech that no 1930s Nazi could have written better. Now, I'm not saying that Parc is a Nazi, and I know that the magnitudes in this and what happened back in the 1930s and 40s is worlds apart, but there paralells are still there.
Fal is right in that when it comes to such things reasons really do not matter. You've tried to get rid of someone you wanted gone for whatever reasons using mobbing and the likes of it. It's not up to you to decide who can post here and who cannot. If he didn't to anything that warrants banning (and Drys is one of the better mods I know, I trust that if some real harrassment had been brought to his attention by the person affected he would have done something about it) and posts here, you can't do a damn thing about it.
You say you had to do it, well, what if this post pisses you off so much that you form an AMF and start trying to harass me away from the boards. Are you the ultimate judge of who is destructive to this community? You have a strong tendency to try and make yourself look bigger than you really are. Your opinion of who should be here and who not is worth just as much as mine, Fals, Bloodsages, Kameks.
You want to be a martyr? Well then, why did you hide in PMs/E-Mails/Whatever? Afraid of 'mass bannings by Drysart'? Don't make me laugh. The reason is that attacking someone in public takes some guts, and that you might meet some people who disagree, it's much easier to just preach the word to a group of people that is composed on the basis of them agreeing with you in the first place.
You think you're a hero for harassing someone you didn't think should post on this boards? You're not
You think you're brave for hiding behind a group to do it? You're not
You think you stood up for your beliefs? Yepp, you did, after you made sure the person in question was gone.
You acted like a cheap hate-mongering Nazi (see above), trying to get people to get to gang up on someone you wanted gone. This was in no way heroic or brave, it was just a cowardly act, nothing more.
Flame On, don't expect any replies in the next 14 Hours though (sleep + school).
That's a big exaggeration.
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We were all impressed when Peachis wrote:
mounts her moral high horse for a moment, and clears her throatI think the saddest thing here is the bandwagon disease. Everyone here wants to be liked. Everyone here wants to 'belong'.. So much so that they'd put something in their sig that they didn't even knew what it stood for.
Not true. Atleast, not for me.
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This hate group that was formed is no better than any other hate group made by people out there who only do these things to make themselves feel better.This all festered by spreading mail and private messages to people about what someone else had done, granted not a sterling past, but none of us are perfect. It's no one's job but Drysart to moderate peoples behavior here.
*nods*
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Right now, looking at the people who did put this in their sigs, and for those who did know what it meant, those that even went so far as to be a supporter and think that it was a good idea, I ... don't even know what to say. How could you think this would help?
I dunno, I guess it was just something to do.
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For those that got wrapped up in this by this in simple bandwagon mentality, I hope you've learned something about yourselves.For the rest of this community, use this as a lesson and know what terrible things can be brewed by misunderstandings, hatred and immaturity. Be better than that.
steps off the moral high horse into some mud and sighs
Awww man... I just got these shoes!
It's funny how few people in this thread actually defended said hate group...
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WaisztarrozBarrimas stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
This was not a group to harrass anyone.That's a big exaggeration.
So all you did was ask him nicely to leave?
I higly doubt it, but in caste that is how you 'Permanently get rid of someone' disregard my above post.
NOTE: I'm in no way affiliated with Kekvit, just digusted by mob mentality and this kind of behavior
We didn't harrass Kekvit directly ever. Ever. Ever.
We weren't some kind of big group that yelled things like "Hail Parcelan" and "Kill Kekvit". We also weren't looking for a bandwagon when we kept people from knowing about it. Our #1 rule was FORCE NO ONE INTO JOINING.
Keep this in mind so you don't make yourself out to be an idiot.
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WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
This was not a group to harrass anyone.That's a big exaggeration.
Kloie nods.
As far as I know, there was no harrassment involved, no "secret meetings of hatemongering", no *bullshit* like that. If someone PMed me and asked what it stood for, I told them, and I left it at that.
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Modrakien had this to say about John Romero:
So all you did was ask him nicely to leave?
I higly doubt it, but in caste that is how you 'Permanently get rid of someone' disregard my above post.NOTE: I'm in no way affiliated with Kekvit, just digusted by mob mentality and this kind of behavior
Um, I hate to tell you this, but we never even talked to Kek.
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Kloie had this to say about Robocop:
Kloie nods.As far as I know, there was no harrassment involved, no "secret meetings of hatemongering", no *bullshit* like that. If someone PMed me and asked what it stood for, I told them, and I left it at that.
She speaks truth.
