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Kloie had this to say about Captain Planet:
Kloie nods.As far as I know, there was no harrassment involved, no "secret meetings of hatemongering", no *bullshit* like that. If someone PMed me and asked what it stood for, I told them, and I left it at that.
So then there wasn't a private #A K F channel on the s.o.rcery server? Parce didn't send out those PM's about what Kekvit had done?
It all sounds like an awful lot of bullshit to me. [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Peachis ]
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WaisztarrozBarrimas had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Um, I hate to tell you this, but we never even talked to Kek.
...and that is supposed to help your case? 
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Keep this in mind so you don't make yourself out to be an idiot.
Ok, I'll just add a second option:
You were just playing conspiracy and were doing nothing whatsoever.
Also, I don't see why the only thing to reply to was the word 'harass' out of that whole block of text I wrote.
And, since you're telling me what you didn't do, what did you do to achive your goal of: Quote: Eliminate kekvit (at almost all costs)?.
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Peachis had this to say about Cuba:
You think you have to actually talk to someone directly to harass them?
Not if they aren't even aware that the "Big Bad Seekrit Organization" even exists. 
Which, [again] as far as I knew, he didn't know that it existed.
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Peachis had this to say about Pirotess:
So then there wasn't a private #A K F channel on the s.o.rcery server? Parce didn't send out those PM's about what Kekvit had done?It all sounds like an awful lot of bullshit to me.
Yeah, there was a room. I don't think we ever met in it, though. In fact, I know we didn't.
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Peachis had this to say about Optimus Prime:
So then there wasn't a private #A K F channel on the s.o.rcery server? Parce didn't send out those PM's about what Kekvit had done?It all sounds like an awful lot of bullshit to me.
There was a chatroom. And guess what? It's always been either me or Waisz in there. Never seen another soul in there, ever.
And if Parce did send out PM's about what Kek had done, he didn't send any my way.
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WaisztarrozBarrimas had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Yeah, there was a room. I don't think we ever met in it, though. In fact, I know we didn't.
Again, what DID you do?
You made a room just for fun?
and I never got any PMs from Parce (or anyone else, for that matter) regarding Kekvit at all...
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Kloie had this to say about Robocop:
Not if they aren't even aware that the "Big Bad Seekrit Organization" even exists.Which, [again] as far as I knew, he didn't know that it existed.
So assuming that Kekvit didn't know about it makes it ok somehow?
You say you knew what the goal was of the group. What was that? To make Kekvit feel really loved? The whole idea behind a group like this is to make someone feel unwanted, unwelcome and hated. Kekvit may be a mental case, but he's not stupid.
So, along that line of thinking.. Somehow putting that in your sig was supposed to be a secret up until everyone on the board BUT HIM had it in their sigs then we'd have a big surprise party and burn him?
You can try and justify what happened any way you like, but it's not going to make it better.
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Modrakien had this to say about Pirotess:
Again, what DID you do?
You made a room just for fun?
Heh, pretty much, yeah. Hard to get a "Big Bad Seekrit Organization" going strong if nobody is ever in the room.
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Modrakien had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Ok, I'll just add a second option:You were just playing conspiracy and were doing nothing whatsoever.
Also, I don't see why the only thing to reply to was the word 'harass' out of that whole block of text I wrote.
And, since you're telling me what you didn't do, what did you do to achive your goal of: Quote: Eliminate kekvit (at almost all costs)?.
That's the keyword right there. Conspiracy. We never did anything other than let people know that Kekvit was rather detrimental to the environment. We didn't force people to believe or anything, and it wasn't even really that big of a thing. As far as what some of the PMs were like, I don't know, as Parc sent most of them, so I don't wanna say something that isn't true.
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Peachis had this to say about John Romero:
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I'm not trying to justify it in any way. I admitted, I fucked up. It was wrong to go about things that way. I never said it was okay. But I refuse to bow out and take my beating like it looks like some have. I'm at the very least going to try to clear things up.
"So, along that line of thinking.. Somehow putting that in your sig was supposed to be a secret up until everyone on the board BUT HIM had it in their sigs then we'd have a big surprise party and burn him?"
Honestly? I really don't know. At all. As far as I know, Parce handled that. Sorry.
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WaisztarrozBarrimas had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
That's the keyword right there. Conspiracy. We never did anything other than let people know that Kekvit was rather detrimental to the environment. We didn't force people to believe or anything, and it wasn't even really that big of a thing. As far as what some of the PMs were like, I don't know, as Parc sent most of them, so I don't wanna say something that isn't true.
Well the one PM we have here I did a short analysis on, you can see my comments on that kind of PM right there. And please don't tell me about harrassment, I live as a foreginer in Austria(one from the balcans no less), I know harrassment in all of its forms pretty damn well. And If you think that to harass someone you have to walk up to him and tell them, or that they even have to know about it, you haven't seen harrassment yet.
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Kloie wrote:
Just to clarify further, I knew exactly what it meant, as well as the ultimate goal of it.
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Kloie wrote:
Honestly? I really don't know. At all. As far as I know, Parce handled that. Sorry.
So you don't know what the ultimate goal was then?
I'm confused. You talk like you don't know anything and that you didn't really have any knowledge about much of anything that went on, but then say that you knew exactly everything about it. [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Peachis ]
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WaisztarrozBarrimas stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I was there when it formed. Exactly, it was an atempt to get Kekvit banned so he couldn't pull crap any more. That was the goal. Since the formation, we accommplished nothing.
KEKVIT IS ALREADY BANNED!!!!!! Has been for over a month now. and it wasn't because of this.. He'd asked to be banned. He has an alternate account, on which i think he's posted all of maybe 3-4 times since then? And it hasn't been whiney crying bullshit like before.
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WaisztarrozBarrimas thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I was there when it formed. Exactly, it was an atempt to get Kekvit banned so he couldn't pull crap any more. That was the goal. Since the formation, we accommplished nothing.
So, how did you go about getting him banned? You didn't seem to have used the logical route of just telling drysart 'Drys, that guy is harassing me in PM 321 and Thread xyz, because you wouldn't need an Front for that.
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Peachis wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
So you don't know what the ultimate goal was then?I'm confused. You talk like you don't know anything and that you didn't really have any knowledge about much of anything that went on, but then say that you knew exactly everything about it.
Well shit. >_< Trying again here.
I knew the goal was to get Kekvit banned. I was told the original idea was basically to petition Drys about it or somesuch. I wasn't told that we would be having big secret hatemongering meetings or harrassing newbies in PMs, or I swear, I would have been there. 
Again, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to clear up things to the best of my abilities.
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Kloie had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
A couple of days/week/something ago I was questioning what the whole point was anymore, because Kek doesn't even post much at all anymore. (FreyaLee is still around somewhere, I'm sure. :P)
Just so you know. Heh.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Kloie was all like:
Well shit. >_< Trying again here.I knew the goal was to get Kekvit banned. I was told the original idea was basically to petition Drys about it or somesuch. I wasn't told that we would be having big secret hatemongering meetings or harrassing newbies in PMs, or I swear, I would have been there.
Again, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to clear up things to the best of my abilities.
I'm not trying to pick on you Kloie, you just seem to be the only one who's even talking with any sense about what's happened.
I appreciate you willing to talk about it.
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We were all impressed when Tarquinn wrote:
Names starting with "K" are very common here, e.g.
Kagrama, Kameks, Kanid, Karnaj, Kilauea, Kildace, Kolak, Koska Kintaro, Khyron, Kabuto ... the list goes on.So don't be afraid if your name starts with a "K".
Just ignore the fools.
Oh, oh, sure! I don't even make it onto the list of "K" names. *sniffle* It's me, isn't it? *wails loudly*
Yes, I'm just kidding. I think whatever this little "group" is about, it's pathetic and childish in the extreme.
Katjya Sylvertongue
Tarissa Treerunner
First, I apologize for my affiliation with the A.K.F. It wasn't a smart move, it's not like I was standing up for what I believed in or anything of the sort.
But I knew what it was, I knew why it existed, and I knew it's ultimate goal.
I can assure you that Parc didn't pull us all into a dark room and discuss torture methods for K.
I was wrong. I'm sorry. There is no need to further the faction problems this board already has.
Flame away. I'm wearing my flame proof suit.
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We were all impressed when WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote:
That's the keyword right there. Conspiracy. We never did anything other than let people know that Kekvit was rather detrimental to the environment. We didn't force people to believe or anything, and it wasn't even really that big of a thing. As far as what some of the PMs were like, I don't know, as Parc sent most of them, so I don't wanna say something that isn't true.
Then why the whole exercise at all? Why the secrecy and the smirks?
If someone is detrimental to the community, and you have anything like proof, you have an obligation to bring it to Drysart's attention.
If you suspect someone is detrimental to the community, and have good reasons but not clear proof of rules violations, you should have the balls to do something publicly, with your name attached.
What this group did was cowardly, regardless of the reasons. Secret fomenting of personal grudges is ridiculous, deceitful, and immature.
At least Kloie has the grace and good sense to realize what a bad thing this whole exercise was. Whether or not it was harmless is entirely beside the point.
If your beef can't stand the light of day, it certainly doesn't deserve to be spread through a secret society.
If you want respect from anyone with the least shred of integrity, or who actually cares about this community, you won't engage in this sort of thing. If you don't, perhaps it's your type we don't need around here.
Think on that a bit.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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We were all impressed when WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote:
I believe it wasn't a harrassment group because we in no way intended to ruin or damage Kekvit in his life.
Yah, because forming a group specifically with the intent to hate someone really makes them feel good about themselves.
There were much better ways to go about this.
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We were all impressed when WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote:
We wanted to make sure that Kekvit couldn't post anymore under any account so that he couldn't do anything like was done in the past, just in case. We needed people to show Drysart it was important to us to remove Kekvit from the board.Flame away. I'm wearing my flame proof suit.
If the actual goal was to let Drysart know all these people wanted Kekvit banned from all accounts and not be able to post, then you failed in every which way possible. A secret organization set out to inform people of what wrong someone else has done, it doesn't sound to me at all like anything you suggested the original goal was to be.
When did you all plan on finally bringing it to Drysarts attention then? I seem to remember hearing something about actually trying to keep it from him because people were afraid they'd get banned.
It all just doesn't fit together.
And I'm not flaming. Just trying to understand.
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WaisztarrozBarrimas had this to say about pies:
I believe it wasn't a harrassment group because we in no way intended to ruin or damage Kekvit in his life. We wanted to make sure that Kekvit couldn't post anymore under any account so that he couldn't do anything like was done in the past, just in case. We needed people to show Drysart it was important to us to remove Kekvit from the board.
Did I say harass him in RL? No, I said harass him away from the boards. Also, if you wanted to show to drysart that you wanted him gone and why, one PM to Drys each with some proof attached would have sufficed.
I'm not going to ban someone based on one complaint that's founded largely in heresy.
I'm not going to let it cloud any future decision I make, since the people in the channel made it abundantly clear that they wanted me to look the other way when it comes to problems in there.
And on an unrelated note, I've been approached by several people over several different incidents involving other people in there over the past few months, and I've had to turn them all away. If you want my protection, you're not going to get it in there. Take it up with whoever's running the channel nowadays. Perhaps have them change the rules to be less militant so I can actually help you if there are problems.
-I am not ashamed I founded it.
-I didn't bring it public, because the rules do say not to bring a problem with someone public.
-It's disbanded.
-I founded it, and gave people the reason to stay. I'll take the punishment you throw at the members.
I would like to keep my current title of "Asshead" for a while. I want it there to remind me of what happened here. Don't think me trying to be a martyr. I just think I need some sort of punishment.
Anyway, yeah, it was wrong. However, the rules bar public flaming, so there we go. And when I tried to take it up with Drysart, he brushed me off like dandruff.
How else do you scratch an itch?
Lemme clear up a few things:
-We never even acknowledged Kekvit's presence. There was no harrassment that I know of. We never even saw him.
-Nobody was forced to join. At all.
-I think Kekvit needs help. Considering he won't seek it himself, we're only encouraging his behavior by allowing him access here.
Those are my last words on the subject. I apologize for forming the organization. I apologize for letting it drag on. I apologize for letting it cause a large flame here. I apologize for not finding a better way.
That's all.
I was the one to screw up the most. Forgive me or not, I'm hungry.
This asshead is gonna get him some eats.
