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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Zair who doth quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/us/politics/22gitmo.html?em
Yeah you got me there, I really didn't see such a clever political move coming.
The detainees are going to be run though an arbitrary "trial" system that they probably haven't even invented yet. After that they might be sent back to their countries of origin, in most cases to be executed (aka "Rendition"), but most frequently they'll just be sent to other American detainment centers. Gitmo hasn't been closed, it's just been broken up.
The site may be closing, but not for any of the reasons you thought it should be closed if you're listening to your tribal leaders. You were brainwashed into believing that the gitmo detainees were basically innocent and should be set free, but they aren't and they won't be.
The act of closing the site itself is political theater. It's to make drones like yourself who only pay enough attention to politics to paint your face blue and chuck spears at the people whose faces are painted red feel like something momentous has been done, and it has worked.
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nem-x is gay got served! nem-x is gay got served!
Obama is left handed. That smug elitist.
It's true. Only 1 in 9 people or so are left-handed. That smacks of elitism right there. And it smacks with its left hand.
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They are not war prisoners, they are just normal criminals. They should be tried for their crimes and sentenced with all due process and haste, and if we don't have evidence to make a case, they should be deported to their country. Blindy. fucked around with this message on 01-22-2009 at 09:29 PM.
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/on-day-one-obama-demands-open-government
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Naimah thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
So much for hope and change. He's already stonewalling reporters. Oh, Obama.
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"President Obama made a surprise visit to the White House press corps Thursday night, "' "Alright, come on" he said, with obvious irritation in his voice. "We will be having a press conference at which time you can feel free to [ask] questions. Right now, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to you guys - that's all I was trying to do." '
You are dumb. Read your own articles.
Obama stonewalling reporters at his own private visit to say hello!! Zair fucked around with this message on 01-23-2009 at 12:39 AM.
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Naimah had this to say about pies:
Except he's pretty infamous for only calling on preapproved lists of reporters in his press conferences so politico is probably on the shit list now.
This is based on what
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This insanity brought to you by Maradon!:
Yeah you got me there, I really didn't see such a clever political move coming.The detainees are going to be run though an arbitrary "trial" system that they probably haven't even invented yet. After that they might be sent back to their countries of origin, in most cases to be executed (aka "Rendition"), but most frequently they'll just be sent to other American detainment centers. Gitmo hasn't been closed, it's just been broken up.
The site may be closing, but not for any of the reasons you thought it should be closed if you're listening to your tribal leaders. You were brainwashed into believing that the gitmo detainees were basically innocent and should be set free, but they aren't and they won't be.
The act of closing the site itself is political theater. It's to make drones like yourself who only pay enough attention to politics to paint your face blue and chuck spears at the people whose faces are painted red feel like something momentous has been done, and it has worked.
See Blindy's response above. It sums some of it up in a couple sentences.
Also, we have only had a black president for two days. Please tone down the references to tribes and spear-chuckers
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This one time, at Maradon! camp:
The act of closing the site itself is political theater. It's to make drones like yourself who only pay enough attention to politics to paint your face blue and chuck spears at the people whose faces are painted red feel like something momentous has been done, and it has worked.
Symbolic gestures are the stuff of first weeks in office
oh wait I mean haha yeah you sheeple
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Naimah's account was hax0red to write:
Really. Really. You just called him racist because of a metaphor that no one took as racist could be free associated with Africans in some way. This is going to be the best four years of political discourse ever.
I admit that the racist thing was pretty stupid, but anything is an improvement from SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT NO MATTER WHAT UNLESS HE'S A DEMOCRAT THEN IT'S COOL Kegwen fucked around with this message on 01-23-2009 at 01:19 AM.
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Naimah had this to say about pies:
Really. Really. You just called him racist because of a metaphor that no one took as racist could be free associated with Africans in some way. This is going to be the best four years of political discourse ever.
A+ for post + sigpic combo
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Naimah says ta-ma-to, I say to-ma-to:
Except he's pretty infamous for only calling on preapproved lists of reporters in his press conferences so politico is probably on the shit list now.
Yes damn him for trying to avoid asshole press agents who constantly attempt to turn conferences into who-can-get-the-most-outrageous-soundbite contests!
The Bush administration had the exact same policy of blacklisting/stonewalling reporters and they were very secretive about everything. I could give a shit less who he talks to at press conferences if his administration is open and transparent.
Answering questions at a press conference is just to give the main stream media some A/V to work with, it has absolutely nothing to do with accountability. If the media wants to call the administration on something, they can do it using the administration's own records.
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There was much rejoicing when Steven Steve said this:
Transparent government was a campaign issue for Nader, just sayin
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This one time, at Maradon! camp:
Yeah you got me there, I really didn't see such a clever political move coming.The detainees are going to be run though an arbitrary "trial" system that they probably haven't even invented yet. After that they might be sent back to their countries of origin, in most cases to be executed (aka "Rendition"), but most frequently they'll just be sent to other American detainment centers. Gitmo hasn't been closed, it's just been broken up.
The site may be closing, but not for any of the reasons you thought it should be closed if you're listening to your tribal leaders. You were brainwashed into believing that the gitmo detainees were basically innocent and should be set free, but they aren't and they won't be.
The act of closing the site itself is political theater. It's to make drones like yourself who only pay enough attention to politics to paint your face blue and chuck spears at the people whose faces are painted red feel like something momentous has been done, and it has worked.
Wait, so if he's not really closing Guantanamo Bay, then what's the problem?
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This one time, at Kermitov 2 camp:
Wait, so if he's not really closing Guantanamo Bay, then what's the problem?
He isn't saying there is one. He is saying that is was just throwing a bone to rabid partisans like. according to Maradon, me.
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Blindy. startled the peaceful upland Gorillas, blurting:
No I was brainwashed into thinking people shouldn't be held as prisoners of war if there is no enemy nation to surrender.They are not war prisoners, they are just normal criminals. They should be tried for their crimes and sentenced with all due process and haste, and if we don't have evidence to make a case, they should be deported to their country.
That's not only stupid, it's dangerously stupid.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Quoth Blindy.:
No you're right we should just hold people who the government says are dangerous indefinitely without question.
That's not what I said, either. Honestly, if you're so emotional you can't even think straight, you should probably keep your mouth shut.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Steven Steve fucked around with this message on 01-24-2009 at 07:43 AM.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
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Steven Steve had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Obviously as long as there are enemies to the United States we have to be able to beat, rather than tickle, answers out of them. No one need know that something like Guantanamo exists, though, ho ho (even though it's a psychological weapon).
Well, we export out some of our torture. That keeps our hands clean(er).
What? My latte is made with whole milk? No chocolate sprinkles?
Torture!
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Neither of you has the foggiest what torture is. Most of what the popular consciousness wants to call torture these days is no worse than a lot of us go through in training.What? My latte is made with whole milk? No chocolate sprinkles?
Torture!
Whatever.
Whether you think certain enhanced interrogation methods are warranted or not, comparing the more extreme ones to an unwanted latte is insulting.
Remind me about the part in training when you were forced to stand naked in a 50 degree Fahrenheit cell all night while being regularly doused in cold water. And then waterboarded the next day. Zair fucked around with this message on 01-24-2009 at 09:23 AM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Zair thought about the meaning of life:
Whatever.Whether you think certain enhanced interrogation methods are warranted or not, comparing the more extreme ones to an unwanted latte is insulting.
Remind me about the part in training when you were forced to stand naked in a 50 degree Fahrenheit cell all night while being regularly doused in cold water. And then waterboarded the next day.
You dont stand in a cell, and its colder than 50 degrees F, but the guys going through BUDS do something similar to this on a pretty regular basis.
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Zair fucked around with this message on 01-24-2009 at 10:29 AM.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
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My main concern is that we have prisoners in captivity with absolutely no path forward. We're just holding them. With prisoners of war, they're captive until the war is over or they are traded for our people who are being held on the other side.
So, how is this war going to end? We're not fighting a country, or even an alliance. There is no central figure or governing body to surrender. There is no peace treaty to sign. This war lasts as long as we say it lasts, and that's dangerous. The "war on terror" isn't like any war we've ever seen before, and I have trouble even considering it a war. It's just a series of peace keeping missions, missions that could take place in any country at any time for any reason anywhere in the world. There is no central front.
So if we don't have a war, we don't have "prisoners of war". We have criminals. And if they're criminals, then treat them like criminals. Process them and send them to jail. Give them a trial. I don't care.
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So quoth Blindy.:
We have criminals. And if they're criminals, then treat them like criminals. Process them and send them to jail. Give them a trial. I don't care.
You Process American Citizens. These are not American Citizens, and the rules for processing them are in place from WW2, put in place by FDR. Unfortunately, most of the politicians don't know enough history, and think they should be afforded the exact same right American Citizens have, when they aren't.
Process them the way FDR did. They are NOT American Citizens, and cannot be afforded the same right as a citizen, lest we degrade the citizenship of the USA. They were caught on the field of battle, or they were planning to shoot us/harm us (be it American troops or larger schemes against the USA) in some way. They are NOT innocent until proven guilty.
Hell. We're treating them better than most of them lived in the Mideast. 6 square meals, shelter, living in a decent warm climate 365, giving them prayer books and prayer mats. Our Military inconveniences them only so often with what so many call torture, but it's really only hard questioning. Only 3 people have even been waterborded at Gitmo, and that was only approved on those three, the rest have been almost given a luxury vacation.
Gitmo is the perfect place to hold these guys, shark filled waters on one side, and mine fields on the other 3 sides. Only way in/out is by boat or plane. And where are they going to put these people now? Do you want them in your State? County? City? They would take up precious room in our prisons, they would be almost in worse conditions than they are now.
Anyways, what's up with Mr. Dictator, signing 5 Executive Orders already and not even trying the legislative process?
