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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Blindy. absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
No his argument is that anything that would be considered torture would never be willingly undertaken.
Wouldn't you say that's a reasonable place to start?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
It was torture.
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Bloodsage painfully thought these words up:
This is the question you should be answering. How is something with little risk and no lasting effect torture? Torture is a pretty big word, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to dilute it, lest we no longer have a meaningful word for what the bad guys do.
Then that's the line you draw. You draw it further up than other people, and that's fine. Anything beyond this will just consist of nitpicking on the exact definition of the word and will almost certainly be fruitless.
But the question I asked you earlier regarding the following is what concerns me:
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The point is that there's no meaningful distinction between the experience the reporter went through and what people are claiming is torture. So what if one guy did it for a lark and another had it forced on him? That changes the perception of the experience, but not the experience.
A rape victim can have severe mental and physical symptoms for the remainder of her life, and those symptoms exist because of her perception of the event. Even American law takes the differences based on perception into heavy account.
Do you really think that a person's perception of or willingness towards an event is meaningless?
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Zair thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Except joining our modern military is 100% voluntary
I'm not going to say that what we did is right or wrong, but this statement is pretty goddamn stupid.
Yes, joining our modern military is 100% voluntary. And in doing so you may experience the 'torture' techniques when they do training about that shit. You also may experience torture if you get captured.
Whereas joining a terrorist regime and actively attacking our country, guess what? That's 100% voluntary too. And by doing so you may experience 'torture' techniques when you get captured. If you don't want that to happen, you could go be a rock farmer like the rest of your shithole country. Or find oil and become a desert king, what the fuck ever you want.
Granted, if the prisoner isn't a terrorist or has no ties to terrorist organizations, then it sucks for them. And I hope that isn't the case. I think that the US Govt. probably has good reason to think that they'll get information from the occupants. If not, well, then I support that particular person's release.
But if they're legitimate terrorists, I'm all for cremating them, shoving the ashes up a pig's rectum, and burying it upside down with an american flag shoved through its guts. Khyron fucked around with this message on 01-28-2009 at 12:27 PM.
But then, I'm an asshole.
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Khyron obviously shouldn't have said:
I'm not going to say that what we did is right or wrong, but this statement is pretty goddamn stupid.Yes, joining our modern military is 100% voluntary. And in doing so you may experience the 'torture' techniques when they do training about that shit. You also may experience torture if you get captured.
Whereas joining a terrorist regime and actively attacking our country, guess what? That's 100% voluntary too. And by doing so you may experience 'torture' techniques when you get captured. If you don't want that to happen, you could go be a rock farmer like the rest of your shithole country. Or find oil and become a desert king, what the fuck ever you want.
Granted, if the prisoner isn't a terrorist or has no ties to terrorist organizations, then it sucks for them. And I hope that isn't the case. I think that the US Govt. probably has good reason to think that they'll get information from the occupants. If not, well, then I support that particular person's release.
But if they're legitimate terrorists, I'm all for cremating them, shoving the ashes up a pig's rectum, and burying it upside down with an american flag shoved through its guts.
But then, I'm an asshole.
Huh?
So you are advocating torturing terrorists? Like using methods everyone agrees to be torture, such as pulling off fingernails with pliers or whatever? An any-means-necessary approach to interrogation?
Or was this just an "America Fuck Yeah" post?
edit: Because I don't think anyone else is advocating torture in this thread (by their own interpretation of what constitutes torture). Zair fucked around with this message on 01-28-2009 at 02:12 PM.
Just gonna leave this here
