and overall, i think it's stupid to try and say, omg hey hi i'm a virgin again.

if people choose to save themselves fine. but no mulligans.

Getting surgery for it ups the insanity ante a bit though.

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Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
That was all pretty bizarre, but this part takes the cake. Just like your centuries-outdated illogic earlier, you've succombed to silliness again--since it's not possible to prove something doesn't exist.

Really, you shouldn't enter arguments when you don't have a clue. Quit trying to convince yourself that your faith is somehow rational, and accept it for what it is.

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So, you can believe that something doesn't exist, regardless of no proof of the fact.. But you can believe it doesn't exist, in spite of the lack of evidence?

My point wasn't to convince anybody else to believe my way. It was just that the level of rationality is relative to what is known, and what is believed. My personal beliefs are mine, and I'm happy with that.

I look at the world, and all that has been made by man. And all of it pales in comparasin to the simplest things that are alive. We can make anything that we understand the full workings of. But nature is something we cannot make. If we could.. well, we would have.

Look at your left hand. We can't make one of those. Sure, we can make something that works like it. It can grasp, react, and mimic the functions. but you can't put the mechanical parts in a bucket and expect it to assemble itself.

To expect otherwise would be irrational, wouldn't it?

Oh.. and since I'm being clueless here.. maybe you can explain to me just how you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that nothing is there? Fanatic lack of faith is just as irrational as any other fanaticism. And there are similarities.

Belief that words written by man are the true answer. Both sides.
Belief that they are right, and others are wrong. Both sides.
Closed minded holding to one answer with no proof either way... Both sides.

I'll freely admit that my faith may be irrational. Are you willing to admit that your beliefs are just as irrational?

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Zair's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Catholics already have annulment. I guess if you can pretend a marriage never happened so you can have another first, why not virginity?

Getting surgery for it ups the insanity ante a bit though.

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not if it is known that the marriage has been consumated. So no.. you can't UNfuck somebody.

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Kaiote* stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
not if it is known that the marriage has been consumated. So no.. you can't UNfuck somebody.

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Maybe in the legal sense of annulment, you are correct, but

a Catholic marriage can be annulled for all sorts of reasons.

If a couple had a decades long marriage and a couple of (legitimate) kids, they can still get an annulment.

There are other prerequisites they can claim were not present at the time.

You aren't even supposed to recieve communion if you get a divorce and don't get it annuled.

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Kaiote* impressed everyone with:
Mort as a Victorian Gentleman... Dunno.
Mort dressing up as one, and playing the part anyway.. Yeah.

I don't really agree with any of you on the topic, however. But then, theres folks who think I dont aagree with myself. As I'm a cynical, agnostic, pro-choice, Pro-gun, twice married catholic... I tend to agree.

Anyway, for my the idea of virginity is simply a stage. I was one, then I wasn't. It's not about pure pleasure, and it's not just about procreation. I've fucked people I had no intention of impregnating, and I've used protection with a woman I DID plan to impregnate.

Now, I hate protection. Hate condoms mostly, but all of it just seems like.. cheating. But when you're gonna fuck somebody you have no intention of ever speaking to again.. they're kinda needed. And sometimes, protection involves a fake ID too, cause you don't stick your dick in crazy unless she can't track you down later.

And don't fuck stupid chicks... they actually BELIEVE that romance novel pillow talk bullshit you use to get her pants off. And Virgins tend to think the whole "He's the one" shit, even if you don't. And can be a pain to get rid of when you sober up.

Chicks with kids are good. Chances are, they aint virgins. And they have shit to do the next day, so they don't get all clingy at 2am. And you can steal a lunchable on your way to the cab. Cookies too.

Pregnant chicks.. well.. I've done it, and I'm still convinced the kiddo punched me in the cock. I lost all focus.

Oh, and college chicks who still cling to childhood.. It feels naughty in a legal way and when she gets up to pee afterwards, you can wipe your dick off with a stuffed unicorn.. which is naughty in a purely juvenile way.

Then there's the chick who you fucking HATE with all the passion you can possibly have for a human. But she's kinda hot. You don't want to hear her speak, you get pissed when she shows up... and she feels the same way about you. You get the chance to hook up with her.. You do it. You hit that shit with the fury of all your seething hatred. You fuck her like you want to beat her to death from the inside out. She's going to fuck you like she's gonna break your dick off, and mount it as a trophy. You WILL have scars. She may slap you in the face with a waffle iron when you sleep. But the feeling of conquest is never better. It is worth the risk.

Guess what I'm really getting at, is I'm into diversity. Sometimes I want a soft girl, who's into spooning, and talking afterwards, maybe make breakfast together in the morning. Sometimes, I'm into bangin a complete stranger who screams like a fucking banshee, insults my family during sex, and makes me write bad checks. Theres a world of choices out there, and the choice not to partake of it, is also a choice.

And since it's your choice.. no matter what you chose, you win.
Except you guys who think you're too good for somebody. Get the fuck over yourself, put the anime away, and go bang the fat ugly chick who leaves the bar alone. She'll show you a whole new world.

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ok this was the funniest shit i have seen on here in a LOOOONG time!

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Kaiote* said:
Mort as a Victorian Gentleman... Dunno.
Mort dressing up as one, and playing the part anyway.. Yeah.

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Yeah.

I seriously love formal dress, the more formal the better.

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Peanut butter ass Shaq Mortious booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Yeah.

I seriously love formal dress, the more formal the better.

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I gotta say that I agree. Something about wearing a fine suit just makes you feel like a god amongst men.

And I firmly believe neckties were invented for the sole purpose of hiding buttons. As much silliness as I can abide in my life.. this is simply not justified. I own several for those times that I MUST wear one.. and not a one of them is a fucking clip on.. but they all have marvin the martian on them somewhere, and come off at the first chance.

So for the most part, if I can survive the day without putting on formalwear.. or even businesswear.. I do that. If somebody refuses to do business with me based on my style of dress, rather than my products or workmanship.. fuck them. Somebody else will pay just as much without being anal about me in blue jeans.

Dressing up is fine once in a while, but it's a lot of fucking work to do it every day.

I swear to christ, every manufacturer of men's dress shoes installs that hard lip of material in the heel specifically so it will dig into your achilles tendon.

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Maradon! Model 2000 was programmed to say:
The essence of civilization is much effort expended on things that are not strictly necessary.

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Society and acceptance, maybe. Civilization? no.

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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Kaiote* absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
So, you can believe that something doesn't exist, regardless of no proof of the fact.. But you can believe it doesn't exist, in spite of the lack of evidence?

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I hate to put this so bluntly, but that's just dumb. You're in the position of asserting the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his lavendar twin the Swimming Cranberry Saucer and challenging everyone else to prove they don't exist.

Guess what, silly--it's not possible to prove the nonexistence of something. Despite what certain others may tell you.

Existence can only be proven positively. That's why it's up to you to prove the existence of the things you assert, not everyone else's responsibility to disprove your fantasies.

It's fairly obvious you haven't the background even to have this conversation, if the best you can do is challenge people to impossible tasks (proving the non-existence of something) and repeat the centuries-outdated watchmaker fallacy (complex things necessarily imply a creator). Nothing against your faith, but quit trying to convince people it's logical. It isn't. It can't be.

That's why faith is irrational by definition--it's simply not possible to derive religion by logic or science.

You have made your decision on things.. and have closed your mind to the possibility that you may be wrong. In spite of the lack of proof either way.

Not the brightest way to make decisions. But then.. you have faith in yourself and your beliefs. So it's still irrational.

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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Kaiote* who doth quote:
You have made your decision on things.. and have closed your mind to the possibility that you may be wrong. In spite of the lack of proof either way.

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No, actually, the fact that the burden of proof is on the affirmative has been proven empirically for a long time now. Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero had very little to say on the subject, they usually just took it for granted that you don't go around simply assuming that everything exists unless proven otherwise.

Even you are trying to say the same thing, except you're using double-negatives to erroneously reverse the concept.

"You can believe that something doesn't exist, regardless of no proof of the fact.. But you can believe it doesn't exist, in spite of the lack of evidence?"

You can't believe that something does exist, regardless of proof- fuck my ass, I can't even wrap my brain around what you're trying to say here enough to come up with a contrapositive.

To make it as simple as possible, you don't need proof that something doesn't exist for the simple fact that most things don't exist. In fact, the odds against any particular thing existing are pretty immense. Near infinite, actually, since there are almost an infinite number of things that could exist in any given space at any given time most of them certainly do not.

Not-existing is the natural state of things. It's very rare for things to exist and if you're going to claim that something does, then you need some kind of proof.

Prove that I'm not.

HAHA YOU CANT SO YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT MAYBE GOD IS IN MY HANDS I WIN!

I'll tell you what we can do though, and that's prove that all the stuff that is attributed to God is naturally occurring.

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 03-03-2008 at 06:48 PM.

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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Blindy. who doth quote:
I'll tell you what we can do though, and that's prove that all the stuff that is attributed to God is naturally occurring.

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WHAT ABOUT LOVE

As for the rest of it.. My point was that none of it can be proved.
The common response to this has been "Oh yeah, prove it!"

Compelling arguements.. really..

The thing about faith is that you can't use it for anything outside yourself, though.

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Quoth Kaiote*:
In faith.. proof isn't needed. Thats why it's faith.
Yes, it is irrational.

As for the rest of it.. My point was that none of it can be proved.
The common response to this has been "Oh yeah, prove it!"

Compelling arguements.. really..

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Don't be clueless-er than you have to be. Your point isn't. "I can't prove my God exists, and you can't prove he doesn't, so we're both on equally logical footing," isn't a rational position. The fact remains that while it is actually possible to prove the existence of a thing, it's impossible to prove the non-existence of a thing, therefore equating the fact that you've failed to do the possible with the fact that others have failed at the impossible is irrational.

Belief in the absence of evidence is faith, and is irrational; disbelief in the absence of evidence is logic, and is rational.

You really should, as I've said before, look into the basics of logic before asserting stupidities. Hell, most of the fallacies you're spouting are so old and obvious they're named, like the watchmaker fallacy you're so fond of. Hate to break it to you, Einstein, but complicated != created.

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Gadani was listening to Cher while typing:
Can we really prove the existence of something?

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WHOA MAN THATS DEEP

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Taeldian was listening to Cher while typing:
WHOA MAN THATS DEEP

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I know, pal, but there's no need to type in all caps.

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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Gadani gently hums:
Can we really prove the existence of something?

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Yes.

Next question.

Lets just go back to discussing formalwear..

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Kaiote* startled the peaceful upland Gorillas, blurting:
Sage... are you in denial of my acceptance of irrationality?

Lets just go back to discussing formalwear..

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Except for the part where you keep asserting, despite all logic, that disbelief in the absence of proof is irrational also. Get with the program.

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Bloodsage Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Except for the part where you keep asserting, despite all logic, that disbelief in the absence of proof is irrational also. Get with the program.

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How can you have belief beyond a shadow of a doubt.. without absolute proof either way?

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Kaiote* probably says this to all the girls:
How can you have belief beyond a shadow of a doubt.. without absolute proof either way?

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He's explained this, what, three times now? You've disagreed with him every time. Let it go.

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Damnati thought about the meaning of life:
He's explained this, what, three times now? You've disagreed with him every time. Let it go.

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I tried. And all he has doen is repeat himself, not explaining shit.

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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Kaiote* who doth quote:
I tried. And all he has doen is repeat himself, not explaining shit.

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You could re-read my previous post, since that explains it too.

Steven Steve fucked around with this message on 03-05-2008 at 06:53 PM.