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Aw, geez, I have Falaanla Marr all over myself!
So, Karnaj, I'm curious.Sex is an instinct, yeah? So, how about this:
1: The goal of sex is to help our species continue on.
2: If we want our species to continue, we must therefore have sex and make babies.
3: Unless trying to/willing to have a kid, people use various contraceptives while sexing it up.So, then. People are more often having sex not to make kids, but having sex as a pleasurable activity. So, then, the people choosing to not have sex until marriage are not failing to keep the species strong, but are instead choosing to not take part in a pleasurable activity.
Provided they want children and have unprotected sex in marriage, they're doing more for the continuation of the species than the guy who never settles down and has a new sexual partner each month (while actively attempting to prevent children).
I'm not saying that I choose to remain a virgin until marriage, but just trying to provide an argument here.
Mort was asking why we're so sex-crazed. I gave him an explanation. You delve into areas that really have nothing to do with my point.
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"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
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And then after you've replied, you can edit your reply if you forgot to add something, as long as no one else has replied yet.
Just FYI.
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This one time, at Katrinity camp:
Anal, definitely anal.
I was gonna say "an X-Box 360", but I can get behind (har har) that answer as well.
There was an island in the UK up until the fifties (can't remember the name, talked about this in my sociology class...maybe the Isle of Man, but I'm remembering that more for the teeny car) that was having SERIOUS population problems because it was both a total backwater and totally whacked out Christian. Sex was NEVER discussed even as being a sin, it was just ignored. More than that nudity of any kind, even for bathing, was a huge taboo. The moral of the story is that when researchers went in and talked to couples in the town and asked them how women got pregnant and had babies, a common response was that after getting married a couple would lie in bed and God would put the baby into the mother. There's a who litany of other weird ass shit that went down there, but that's what's pertinent here.
That's not to say that humans aren't smart and wouldn't figure it out if you left a post-adolescent male and female together who had never had contact with other people, but when you start loading taboos onto the subject so that people aren't willing to explore they won't just start doing it just because there's a male and female in the same room as each other.
I don't really agree with any of you on the topic, however. But then, theres folks who think I dont aagree with myself. As I'm a cynical, agnostic, pro-choice, Pro-gun, twice married catholic... I tend to agree.
Anyway, for my the idea of virginity is simply a stage. I was one, then I wasn't. It's not about pure pleasure, and it's not just about procreation. I've fucked people I had no intention of impregnating, and I've used protection with a woman I DID plan to impregnate.
Now, I hate protection. Hate condoms mostly, but all of it just seems like.. cheating. But when you're gonna fuck somebody you have no intention of ever speaking to again.. they're kinda needed. And sometimes, protection involves a fake ID too, cause you don't stick your dick in crazy unless she can't track you down later.
And don't fuck stupid chicks... they actually BELIEVE that romance novel pillow talk bullshit you use to get her pants off. And Virgins tend to think the whole "He's the one" shit, even if you don't. And can be a pain to get rid of when you sober up.
Chicks with kids are good. Chances are, they aint virgins. And they have shit to do the next day, so they don't get all clingy at 2am. And you can steal a lunchable on your way to the cab. Cookies too.
Pregnant chicks.. well.. I've done it, and I'm still convinced the kiddo punched me in the cock. I lost all focus.
Oh, and college chicks who still cling to childhood.. It feels naughty in a legal way and when she gets up to pee afterwards, you can wipe your dick off with a stuffed unicorn.. which is naughty in a purely juvenile way.
Then there's the chick who you fucking HATE with all the passion you can possibly have for a human. But she's kinda hot. You don't want to hear her speak, you get pissed when she shows up... and she feels the same way about you. You get the chance to hook up with her.. You do it. You hit that shit with the fury of all your seething hatred. You fuck her like you want to beat her to death from the inside out. She's going to fuck you like she's gonna break your dick off, and mount it as a trophy. You WILL have scars. She may slap you in the face with a waffle iron when you sleep. But the feeling of conquest is never better. It is worth the risk.
Guess what I'm really getting at, is I'm into diversity. Sometimes I want a soft girl, who's into spooning, and talking afterwards, maybe make breakfast together in the morning. Sometimes, I'm into bangin a complete stranger who screams like a fucking banshee, insults my family during sex, and makes me write bad checks. Theres a world of choices out there, and the choice not to partake of it, is also a choice.
And since it's your choice.. no matter what you chose, you win.
Except you guys who think you're too good for somebody. Get the fuck over yourself, put the anime away, and go bang the fat ugly chick who leaves the bar alone. She'll show you a whole new world.
The theory is that humans have a sex drive just like they have a hunger drive and a shelter drive, and the evidence is mounting.
I'd suggest reading why we love for a good introduction to this concept.
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Blindy. had this to say about Knight Rider:
You know steve, you can finish typing out what you're thinking before you hit reply.And then after you've replied, you can edit your reply if you forgot to add something, as long as no one else has replied yet.
Just FYI.
Hmm interesting, I think you're onto something.
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"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Dr. Gee had this to say about Optimus Prime:
behaviorist stuff
So you're saying humans will have sex except when we teach them not to... but sex is the learned behavior?
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Noxhil3 wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
So you're saying humans will have sex except when we teach them not to... but sex is the learned behavior?
What are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure it says that sex is never even discussed.
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Kaiote* had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
agnostic,, twice married catholic...
What?
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Gadani wrote this stupid crap:
What?
Raised catholic, agnostic in reality.
Apparantly, you're not a catholic.. or you wouldn't have to question.
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Kaiote* said:
Raised catholic, agnostic in reality.
Apparantly, you're not a catholic.. or you wouldn't have to question.
I think I'm getting more or less the same.
Agnostic is where you believe in a higher power but don't know what form it takes, right? I don't really believe in organised religion, but I believe in God.
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Mortious painfully thought these words up:
Agnostic is where you believe in a higher power but don't know what form it takes, right? I don't really believe in organised religion, but I believe in God.
agnostic just means you don't know if there is one or not but you aren't ruling out the possibility
For me it's faith, but not in any creation of man. This includes organized religion. The human body is too much of a wonder in itself not to make me question the idea of being here on accident. Creationism or Darwinism doesn't make a difference, cause either through always being the same or being an adaptation of monkeys, it's still a pretty amazing process. Kinda like a tornado hitting a junkyard, and accidentally building a working car. It don't happen that way.
However, I'm not about to just fall in line with some other guys ideas about what exactly is there. A lot of people insist that God created man in his image. I believe it's the other way around. And I know if I was a god... that kind of presumption would just piss me off.
Smith pretty much nailed it in Dogma. What you have faith in isn't important, just that you HAVE faith. Hell, even if said faith is only in yourself, or what you can see, feel or touch.
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Gadani thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
What are you talking about?I'm pretty sure it says that sex is never even discussed.
No, he even says
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Dr. Gee had this to say about pies:
That's not to say that humans aren't smart and wouldn't figure it out if you left a post-adolescent male and female together who had never had contact with other people
So they have sex except
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when you start loading taboos onto the subject so that people aren't willing to explore they won't just start doing it just because there's a male and female in the same room as each other.
Since cultural taboos actually are learned behavior, Dr. Gee is saying people have sex except when they are taught not to. Which means sex is not learned.
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Bent over the coffee table, Kaiote* squealed:
The human body is too much of a wonder in itself not to make me question the idea of being here on accident. Creationism or Darwinism doesn't make a difference, cause either through always being the same or being an adaptation of monkeys, it's still a pretty amazing process. Kinda like a tornado hitting a junkyard, and accidentally building a working car. It don't happen that way.
Jiminy freakin' Christmas! The watchmaker fallacy has been discredited for last several fucking centuries--why are people still bringing it up? Faith is by definition irrational, so quit trying to justify it and accept the fact.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Noxhil3 had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Since cultural taboos actually are learned behavior, Dr. Gee is saying people have sex except when they are taught not to. Which means sex is not learned.
Not really. Lets use a different example.
Say you take someone who's never seen a car before or knows what they do. They also come from a society that doesn't have taboos against metal objects. Given enough time they'll probably figure out how to get it started and drive it. Using something a bit simpler would probably make a better example, but the idea here is that you don't have to have a physiological imperative (aka instinct) to learn how to do something that's never been specifically taught to you.
Now, add a cultural taboo that all metal is evil and you'll go to hell if you're even in contact with metal. It's a lot less likely that this person is going to be able to get this car to function, not because they're incapable of learning to do so, but because even trying to do something with it will never occur to them since the car is made of metal and is therefore evil.
Similarly, nudity is considered a massive sin in the society I mentioned. Genitals in particular are a massive evil thing. Because of this the couples that I mentioned would never even attempt to self-learn about sex because it wouldn't occur to them that such a thing would exist.
While I haven't gone out and picked up the book Blindy linked, that's an actual argument rather than saying that trial and error learning equates to instinct.
Here's another way of looking at it.
I learned how to use a computer almost entirely on my own through trial and error. No one ever explicitly sat me down and showed me how to do a lot of the formatting stuff in Word that I learned how to do through dicking with menus and options. I don't think you'd argue that using Word is an instinctual behavior.
Now, if I was in a society that had a taboo against technology I probably wouldn't be able to format a document in Word because I never would have gone through the learning process to do it.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Jiminy freakin' Christmas! The watchmaker fallacy has been discredited for last several fucking centuries--why are people still bringing it up? Faith is by definition irrational, so quit trying to justify it and accept the fact.
Faith in some defined deity.. Yeah, that is irrational. The idea of being toys of a god.. yep, irrational.
But.. Belief in a scientific absolute is also irrational. Shit changes dependant on circumstance. Light and sound function in ONE way.... except at high speeds. Or except in a vaccuum.. Or with changes of density... So you accept how shit works at a set, normal state. Water is a WONDERFUL solvent.. until you use it to glue things together. Then it's a damn good adhesive. But if you only use it as water, and never as ice.. you will never know this.
Anyway, Belief that something doesn't exist, without proof of its non existance, is just as irrational as belief without proof that it DOES exist.
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Dr. Gee Model 2000 was programmed to say:
stuff
What behaviors do you think are instinctual? Noxhil3 fucked around with this message on 02-29-2008 at 03:18 PM.
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Noxhil3 had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
What behaviors do you think are instinctive?
In humans? Suck behavior as an infant. That's the list. There's actually been a hunt for trying to find human behaviors that really are instinctive.
Instinct is a really specific word regarding behavior and for the most part humans have developed out of it. Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 02-29-2008 at 03:20 PM.
Edit: I'm not making a value judgment as to whether that is good or not, I just don't agree Noxhil3 fucked around with this message on 02-29-2008 at 03:21 PM.
As to eating, ya it is a learned behavior. The brain's wired to identify things that are edible as tasting good. When you eat something you're rewarded by your brain putting out happy juice in addition to generally feeling better. This reward leads to eating stuff. When you eat something that makes you sick, people tend to form a taste aversion where they don't eat that thing anymore.
This is why the sucking behavior in infants is important. They haven't formed the cognitive nets (see? I'm not just a behaviorist!) that identify what kinds of foods are good. So when you stick a baby's mouth on a nipple they start sucking and swallowing and are able to stay alive while the brain's developing to be able to learn the other stuff.
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quote:Wouldn't crying meet all the same criteria?
Structural Dr. Geeity is failing, captain!
This is why the sucking behavior in infants is important. They haven't formed the cognitive nets (see? I'm not just a behaviorist!) that identify what kinds of foods are good. So when you stick a baby's mouth on a nipple they start sucking and swallowing and are able to stay alive while the brain's developing to be able to learn the other stuff.
`Doc fucked around with this message on 02-29-2008 at 04:09 PM.
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Quoth Kaiote*:
Anyway, Belief that something doesn't exist, without proof of its non existance, is just as irrational as belief without proof that it DOES exist.
That was all pretty bizarre, but this part takes the cake. Just like your centuries-outdated illogic earlier, you've succombed to silliness again--since it's not possible to prove something doesn't exist.
Really, you shouldn't enter arguments when you don't have a clue. Quit trying to convince yourself that your faith is somehow rational, and accept it for what it is.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
quote:It is possible to prove something doesn't exist by proving that either {a} its existence would be self-contradictory, or {b} something which does exist cannot exist simultaneously with the thing you're trying to prove doesn't exist. Beyond that, I agree. However, just because you can't yet prove something does exist, does not mean that it cannot exist. Proof is limited to the scope of definitive knowledge. For example, we can't prove that unicorns do not exist... but we can prove they don't exist on Earth, because anywhere that they could exist on Earth has been proven not to have them.
Previously on Planet Bloodsage...
That was all pretty bizarre, but this part takes the cake. Just like your centuries-outdated illogic earlier, you've succombed to silliness again--since it's not possible to prove something doesn't exist.
On the subject of deities specifically, Blindy (I think it was him) did a decent job of showing the standard Christian god (Benevolent Tri-omni Deity) can't exist as described, because the criteria credited to it are a contradiction. Whether some kind of all-powerful being exists cannot be proven or disproven at this stage, nor is one actually required for or contradictory with the existence of the universe as we know it.
Agnosticism is the belief that a god or gods may or may not exist, since no proof can be presented either for or against their existence.
[EDIT] Typos R Me `Doc fucked around with this message on 02-29-2008 at 04:37 PM.
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Greenlit stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I love when Murdoc shows up and starts trying to lecture people on a subject that they are, without a doubt, at least twenty years more experienced with than himself.
And it was Maradon's list of how to disprove god anyway.
