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Poll: You must choose!
Author
Topic: If you could only choose one...
Willias
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 03:04:55 AM
which would you choose?

Neverwinter Nights 2
or
Final Fantasy XII

Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-07-2006 03:08:53 AM
Probably NWN2. The first one was okay besides it's shitty graphics.

FF hasn't been good in a long time.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 10-07-2006 03:13:12 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Optimus Prime:
FF hasn't been good in a long time.

Final Fantasy X was fantastic.

Final Fantasy XII here.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-07-2006 03:13:34 AM
quote:
Kegwen had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Final Fantasy X was fantastic.

Final Fantasy XII here.


Qrong.

Led
*kaboom*
posted 10-07-2006 03:21:41 AM
NWN 2. FF series has not been good since my teens ;p
nem-x
posted 10-07-2006 03:44:50 AM
nem-x
posted 10-07-2006 03:53:23 AM
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 10-07-2006 06:50:53 AM
I'd take NWN2. I consider FF6 to be the pinacle of the FF experience, so.
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Willias
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 11:43:52 AM
Well, I mean, FF10 was good. I liked it. Had a really good story. So far, every review I've seen says that FF12 is a good game, and it's pretty obvious from the way it's been designed that it's going to be a long one.

However, NWN2 is being developed by Obsidian Entertainment. Same dudes that made KotoR2, which was a pretty awesome game except for the ending which LucasArts rushed them on. Obsidian is also pretty much Black Isle 2, since it has many of Black Isle's former employees.

If this game is even close to Black Isle's typical work, it's going to be a pretty damn good game. Black Isle and Bioware put out, what I think, is one of the best RPGs of all time (Baldur's Gate 2, didn't like 1 so much), and I'm a bit excited to see if Obsidian can put out as good of a game in the story telling department.

But either way, it's essentially going to come down to release day for both games, and seeing if NWN2 gets decent reviews or not.

Though I'm a bit suprised so far that at this point NWN2 has the majority vote. Mainly since I'm seeing so little being said about it, and so much more being said about the next FF. But then again, it's the next FF, that's to be expected.

Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 10-07-2006 11:47:27 AM
FF12. I usually replay FF games... NWN, not so much, even with the player made stuff.
Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 10-07-2006 12:47:34 PM
Anakha
my standards skyrocket when im on my keyboard heh
posted 10-07-2006 01:31:42 PM
NWN2, unless you want FFXII to masturbate itself, instead of you playing the game
"Buzz Beer, the beer of attainable women!"
"You try balancing a cow on the end of a fencepost to wield it like a club. Thats a physical damn challenge!"
"The only problem i have is too much aggro."
Steven Steve
posted 10-07-2006 01:57:13 PM
Neverwinter Nights 2. I hate every Final Fantasy game except... 3? Or 2.
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TheOriginalZane
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 02:14:45 PM
Final Fantasy = same shit different day.
The worst member of EC.
Live Journal
Oreowned
My friends call me 'Wiggles'
posted 10-07-2006 02:19:11 PM
Never played NWN soo...FFXII? Looks like it might suck though.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 10-07-2006 02:47:01 PM
quote:
What is a TheOriginalZane? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk... Have at you!
Final Fantasy = same shit different day.

I can guarantee you that NWN2 will be the same thing as NWN, with prettier graphics and a better toolset. And all the other little things that will make it different that you also ignore in the FF series.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Talonus
Loner
posted 10-07-2006 02:56:34 PM
Both will be more of the same. NWN2 is just NWN done better. FF12 is just FF10 done better. Grab Okami instead.
Willias
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 03:15:09 PM
quote:
Densetsu attempted to be funny by writing:
I can guarantee you that NWN2 will be the same thing as NWN, with prettier graphics and a better toolset. And all the other little things that will make it different that you also ignore in the FF series.

I personally don't think that either game is going to be like the previous ones in the series.

NWN2 will be like NWN, simply because they're both D&D games, but 2 is going to be 3.5 rules, and there's enough differences between 3 and 3.5 to where the game will be balanced differently, let alone that Obsidian is taking some of the things they learned from KotoR2 and are applying them to NWN2, and well, Obsidian is it development period.

FF12 is going to be more like FF11 than any other games in the series, so it's going to play completely different.

quote:
Never played NWN soo...FFXII? Looks like it might suck though.

Hah. Sup?

Alaan
posted 10-07-2006 04:14:21 PM
FFXII's Ivalice looks almost nothing like FFT or FFT:A's Ivalice.

Though all the Summons are FFT/A and some old FF game bosses.

tFUCKING RETARD
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 04:32:10 PM
quote:
Talonus had this to say about Captain Planet:
Both will be more of the same. NWN2 is just NWN done better. FF12 is just FF10 done better. Grab Okami instead.

I second Okami. Or Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria.

There's nothing like a funeral to make you feel alive.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-07-2006 04:33:14 PM
quote:
Anakha had this to say about Pirotess:
NWN2, unless you want FFXII to masturbate itself, instead of you playing the game

Because we don't need to have our own opinions, let's just act like idiots and link Penny Arcade comics!

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-07-2006 04:37:05 PM
quote:
Anakha had this to say about Pirotess:
NWN2, unless you want FFXII to masturbate itself, instead of you playing the game

Because we don't need to have our own opinions, let's just act like idiots and link Penny Arcade comics!

It isn't like that combat system can't be turned off or anything. Nope.

I'm amazed Penny Arcade hasn't become popular enough to be hated by the Internet yet. No, I don't hate it, I actually find the comics irritating. Just not the whole concept of linking them instead of forming your own opinion.

Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 10-07-2006 at 04:43 PM.

Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 10-07-2006 04:37:28 PM
I don't need to play FF12. I've already played FF11. They're more or less the same game. The AI in FF12 reproduces the stupidity of human players in FF11 admirably.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-07-2006 04:47:50 PM
Oopsie. I typed irritating. I meant amusing.
Alaan
posted 10-07-2006 04:49:49 PM
You don't have to use the AI system at all. Give me a few and I'll have a 14 page PSM review up(don't want to leech from the source). They explain the Gambit system pretty well.
Alaan
posted 10-07-2006 04:52:34 PM
And review is here.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-07-2006 04:54:09 PM
quote:
Alaan got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
You don't have to use the AI system at all. Give me a few and I'll have a 14 page PSM review up(don't want to leech from the source). They explain the Gambit system pretty well.

But Penny Arcade says it sucks therefore it sucks!!!!!

Alaan
posted 10-07-2006 05:05:47 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Falaanla Marr:
But Penny Arcade says it sucks therefore it sucks!!!!!

I think it sounds brilliant. Leave the garbage to the computer, let me have fun figuring out how to smash the boss' face in.

Anakha
my standards skyrocket when im on my keyboard heh
posted 10-07-2006 05:13:43 PM
Actually, i just found the comic to be mildly funny. Thats not the reason i don't care for FFXII. I have found every FF game past 6 to be going downhill. Character design for 10 and beyond has been retarded. I haven't seen anything of FFXII in the reviews that makes me want to go jump out and buy it. I am getting really tired of the Final Fantasy 9 style worlds. Hell, i was tired of it when they released 9. However, i found much joy in NWN. I love DnD, and i find their adaptations to be one of the best. And they will probably write a PRC pack for NWN2, and when that comes out, i will probably buy it and have fun with my friends playing out our campaigns that never get off the ground. Instead of playing Square-Enix's next pathetic attempt at gaining access to my wallet.

Edit:FFT:A was the WORST Final Fantasy and Worst Sequel ever. The Judges were just annoying, and the game itself was so constricting, where only certain races could be certain classes, and i have to have the weapon to learn the move, which meant i always had to have a thief, because the shops only upgraded once. Such a shame, because FFT was by far one of the best FFs ever.

Anakha fucked around with this message on 10-07-2006 at 05:16 PM.

"Buzz Beer, the beer of attainable women!"
"You try balancing a cow on the end of a fencepost to wield it like a club. Thats a physical damn challenge!"
"The only problem i have is too much aggro."
Maradon!
posted 10-07-2006 05:51:03 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marring:
But Penny Arcade says it sucks therefore it sucks!!!!!

"People don't want to think, and the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to think, and that makes them feel guilty. So they'll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking. Anyone who makes a virtue - a highly intellectual virtue - out of what they know to be their sin, their weakness, and their guilt"

Mr. Gainsborough
posted 10-07-2006 06:49:50 PM
hating final fantasy is cool now
Skaw
posted 10-07-2006 07:21:58 PM
We all know the real problem with FF12 is that you're playing Meg Ryan.
Talonus
Loner
posted 10-07-2006 07:34:26 PM
quote:
Verily, Mr. Gainsborough doth proclaim:
hating final fantasy is cool now

Yet, they'll play it anyway. If they don't want to buy it, just rent and/or pirate. That way we can all get along.

Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 07:39:14 PM
NWN 2 seems like the obvious choice here. Obsidian is essentially Black Isle v2.0, and with updated graphics + full time Aurora writers you will end up having the most content and most fun.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 10-07-2006 08:09:54 PM
I couldn't get through NWN, to be honest it bored me and the storyline could not hold my attention. It seemed slow to the point of stopping completely.

I'll probably give NWN2 a whirl though, I've been pining for a good D&D style game. Oblivion doesn't count since it's more like an RP-FPS.

Willias
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 08:22:19 PM
quote:
Mortious had this to say about Knight Rider:
I couldn't get through NWN, to be honest it bored me and the storyline could not hold my attention. It seemed slow to the point of stopping completely.

I'll probably give NWN2 a whirl though, I've been pining for a good D&D style game. Oblivion doesn't count since it's more like an RP-FPS.


Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt about NWN1. However, NWN2 just looks good, and of the two, it's probably the one I'll pick up. Unless it gets very bad reviews, then of course I'm gonna snag FF12.

Graphics are impressive in it, and I trust Obsidian (I guess you could say formerly Black Isle) to dish out decent gameplay/challenge, and a story line that will make people give a damn about what's going on.

Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 09:17:20 PM
The main module for NWN was really just a tech demo for the new engine. Pretty much everyone thought it sucked. Apparently Obsidian is well aware of the crappiness of the original and did a lot of work to rectify it for NWN2.
Led
*kaboom*
posted 10-07-2006 09:29:21 PM
NWN was a blast, I had a lot of fun playing it with ECers ^-^ Cannot wait for the new game!

Although I doubt Bajah would like to play with me again, what with the repeated fireball catastrophes and all hehehe

"Lemme just turn in this quest here..." *NUKE* "God dammit, stop killing everyone!"

Willias
Pancake
posted 10-07-2006 11:09:57 PM
I don't think I ever really played NWN with any ECers, probably would have made the game a lot more interesting though.

Edit: At the moment, I'm playing through IWD2 with my brother. Much asskicking has been had thus far. Just wish the game was developed a bit better for multiplayer.

Willias fucked around with this message on 10-07-2006 at 11:11 PM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-07-2006 11:53:43 PM
Here's the in-depth detail.

FF12 is in Ivalice. FFT was in Ivalice. FFT had an amazing plot of political and religious intrigue and scandal combined with supernatural biblical horrors. FFT:A was also in Ivalice except instead of political and religious intrigue and scandal there was a shitty 'friends will get us through' plot and instead of supernatural biblical horrors you got bunny women and dog people.

Yes?

No.

Willias has just intrigued me further into NWN2. If Obsidian is the real Bioware2, then I will be all over it. Anyone in any sort of doubt over Bioware's amazing awesomehood should definitely try playing Icewind Dale and IWD2 and Baldur's Gate and BG2.

The best thing about Bioware is they are one of the amazingly few developers capable of creating real characters and amazing dialogue. I daresay they're one of the few people who have stories that are compelling alongside their awesome games.

"Look at that hole in the wall! We can't patch it with air!" "I'm beginning to see why they made you chief engineer around here..."

Fuck, now I want to play IWD2 again.

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