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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, BetaTested absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Not really, the majority of the guys I LANed with in HS, and myself included, always had our keyboards in our laps, even if we had enough room on our desk. It's really comfortable, if you have a chair that leans back. Kick your feet up on the tower under your desk, and you're all set.Even so, it feels much more natural for me to have my keyboard in my lap than on a desk, or god forbid a keyboard tray. I hate keyboard trays, with a passion. I always jam my knees on them.
Seems to me sort of stupid to claim that the PC gaming experience is more immersive than the console experience. . .if you set your PC up like a console. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Blindy. absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
We're just pointing out that having a big screen and surround sound is not a feature only consoles can boast.
No, you said that PCs are more immersive. . .but when confronted with the facts said that you have to essentially make them expensive consoles for that to be true.
Not the same thing at all.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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I wish Bloodsage would say this more often:
No, you said that PCs are more immersive. . .but when confronted with the facts said that you have to essentially make them expensive consoles for that to be true.Not the same thing at all.
Expensive consoles with better graphics and sound than cheap consoles, an analogue to why you said you thought the ps3 was a better choice than the wii.
What I said is that it's silly to argue that a gimmick controller can make up for sucking in other areas.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about pies:
I don't think I've ever said anything at all about the PS3, much less compared it to the Wheeeee!
What I said is that it's silly to argue that a gimmick controller can make up for sucking in other areas.
And I'm not sure the ability to show good graphics makes up for sucking in other areas like storyline, playtime and intuitive control.
The argument goes both ways.
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Quoth Delphi Aegis:
And I'm not sure the ability to show good graphics makes up for sucking in other areas like storyline, playtime and intuitive control.The argument goes both ways.
Don't be any sillier than you can help. We are talking about the console, and not the games.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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When Bloodsage says stuff like this, it proves there isn't a God:
Don't be any sillier than you can help. We are talking about the console, and not the games.
You can't debate the virtues of one without the other- it'd be like talking about roads and ignoring the whole topic of cars. Blindy. fucked around with this message on 09-07-2006 at 12:44 PM.
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Quoth Blindy.:
You can't debate the virtues of one without the other- it'd be like talking about roads and ignoring the whole topic of cars.
Actually, it's stupid to mix the two.
The console is about gaming potential. The wii has deliberately crippled its potential in important areas and is hoping no one will notice because of the gimmick controller. Sorry, but if it's a choice between top-notch graphics and a tv remote/laser pointer controller, the former gives developers much more to work with in creating an immersive gameplay experience. Since, in case you didn't know, visuals are about 90% of what your brain uses in making decisions about your environment.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Bloodsage was all like:
Actually, it's stupid to mix the two.The console is about gaming potential. The wii has deliberately crippled its potential in important areas and is hoping no one will notice because of the gimmick controller. Sorry, but if it's a choice between top-notch graphics and a tv remote/laser pointer controller, the former gives developers much more to work with in creating an immersive gameplay experience. Since, in case you didn't know, visuals are about 90% of what your brain uses in making decisions about your environment.
And not everyone plays games just for the visual experience. I can be perfectly happy with a game on an old platform or less then stellar graphics assuming it has intuitive controls and a good storyline.
Dirge of Cerebus was an awesome looking game, and the controls were okay, but the storyline sucked. I'm sad I bought it.
There's not much further to go to get photorealism in video games anyway.
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Quoth Delphi Aegis:
And not everyone plays games just for the visual experience. I can be perfectly happy with a game on an old platform or less then stellar graphics assuming it has intuitive controls and a good storyline.Dirge of Cerebus was an awesome looking game, and the controls were okay, but the storyline sucked. I'm sad I bought it.
There's not much further to go to get photorealism in video games anyway.
See, there you go being silly again. Point to where anyone said anything about playing solely for the visual experience.
What you're arguing, though, is that one should buy the wii solely for the controller, since it has opted to shortchange all of the other aspects of gaming. Other consoles, on the other hand, don't shortchange any aspect. Giving them, you'll notice, better potential for producing good games.
If it's all about intuitive controls and a good storyline, and nothing else is important, I highly recommend books; the storylines can't be beat, and the control scheme couldn't be simpler or more intuitive.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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I bet you never expected Bloodsage to say:
Actually, it's stupid to mix the two.The console is about gaming potential. The wii has deliberately crippled its potential in important areas and is hoping no one will notice because of the gimmick controller. Sorry, but if it's a choice between top-notch graphics and a tv remote/laser pointer controller, the former gives developers much more to work with in creating an immersive gameplay experience. Since, in case you didn't know, visuals are about 90% of what your brain uses in making decisions about your environment.
Mistake number one is your assumption that you need lots of graphical power to provide a pleasing graphical experience.
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Bent over the coffee table, Blindy. squealed:
Mistake number one is your assumption that you need lots of graphical power to provide a pleasing graphical experience.
I never said nor assumed that. The fact is, however, that more graphical power is more potential for developers to use designing games, and more potential for a game to be immersive.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage says po-ta-to, I say pa-ta-to:
I never said nor assumed that. The fact is, however, that more graphical power is more potential for developers to use designing games, and more potential for a game to be immersive.
It is more power for developers to use designing graphics. Graphics are not the game and the game is not graphics.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Blindy. gently hums:
It is more power for developers to use designing graphics. Graphics are not the game and the game is not graphics.
I know it's hard for you, but try not to be completely ridiculous with your "reasoning."
No one said graphics represented the sum total of the gaming experience.
The fact remains, though, that visual clues are the most important for your braen. Graphics are, therefore, an important aspect of a game. Shorting them hinders a console's potential in ways that sticking with standard controllers does not.
If the best you can do are transparent strawmen by way of counterarguments, just admit you were wrong and move on with your life.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bent over the coffee table, Blindy. squealed:
Actually, you did, when you said graphical power helped design games.
I never said that.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
totarry immersive
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From the book of Blindy., chapter 3, verse 16:
It is more power for developers to use designing graphics. Graphics are not the game and the game is not graphics.
You know I can not put my finger on exactly, but something about this statement seems rather silly and absurd, I think you have lost entire point of the argument, I mean dude it is like you are arguing semantics at this oint.
--IMHO the PS3 shows signs of the classic development death spiral, were each generation is getting crazy expensive. It shows some poor decisions on Sony's part, like forcing blu-ray into the unit, which must have added a good deal to the cost. I dont think the PS3 will fail, but I would have to guess that it will not do as well as it predecessors. And I do believe that Sony is not really ready for the amount of competition the 360 is, and the 360 is largely free of the development death spiral because they draw from the PC gaming hardware.
The Wii is just classic Nintendo; they have a repeated pattern of neutering their consoles. But they do make up for between having Quality games, and that there target audience is not teens and Adults, but Kids and tweens. I think the only thing that draws teens and adults to Nintendo is just classic titles.
Just my thoughts on the matter...
Wasn't Rumble a gimmick?
The Wii controller can be held sideways and used as a regular game pad for use of the old stuff, or some sort of "horn" attachment to make it work like a standard grip.
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Densetsu startled the peaceful upland Gorillas, blurting:
These threads always come down to bloodsage arguing by himself against the rest of the board. Fun to watch, but nothing gets done. I think the only real supporter he would have would be Maradon.
Yes, the tired appeal to popularity. The circle is complete.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bent over the coffee table, Densetsu squealed:
Dude, it's like going to a goth board and telling them that goth sucks. Pick the battles you can win.
Except that I haven't said that anything sucks. And I am winning; some people are just too dumb to know when they're not making sense.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Densetsu fucked around with this message on 09-07-2006 at 03:05 PM.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Densetsu absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
My basic point was that it doesn't matter how well you present an arguement if you choose an audience that has decided not to listen to you before you even began.
Think of it as troll-hacking: it's fun to see what bizarre, otherworldly reasoning the opposition will come up with next. My favorite so far is, "PC gaming can be every bit as immersive as console gaming. . .if you set your PC up like a console."
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
I have a 19" flat-panel widescreen LCD with a 5-satellite sound system plus subwoofer for my PC, whereas I have a 21" CRT tv/dvd combo with stereo speakers for my console gaming. I'd hook up my consoles to my PC in a flash if I had the proper equipment to do so. I also prefer watching movies on my PC. I'd like to think that this setup is a little more common than yours, Bloodsage.
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At least Bloodsage isn't Somthor:
Think of it as troll-hacking: it's fun to see what bizarre, otherworldly reasoning the opposition will come up with next. My favorite so far is, "PC gaming can be every bit as immersive as console gaming. . .if you set your PC up like a console."
By your own logic it's more immersive than console gaming because it has better graphics and sound.
Since that's all that matters. Apparently.
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Quoth Blindy.:
By your own logic it's more immersive than console gaming because it has better graphics and sound.Since that's all that matters. Apparently.
I didn't say that's all that matters. I said that they contribute.
And why are you trying to argue that good sound and graphics in no way contribute to immersiveness or good gaming experiences? Your argument simply doesn't work otherwise.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage attempted to be funny by writing:
And why are you trying to argue that good sound and graphics in no way contribute to immersiveness or good gaming experiences?
Advent Rising. If the game sucks, graphics and sound aren't going to help it. If the games great, graphics and sound can help, but it'll be a great game anyway, as long as neither are monstrously subpar. I'd play a game that is fun and looks OK, over a game thats a steaming pile, but is orgasmic to the eyes and ears. The Wii in no way has terrible graphics like you're trying to paint it out to. The video at topic is recording a TV, which as I stated, always turns out horrible. Then compressed for streaming internet video.
Nothing needs top of the line to be good. And top of the line power isn't a saving grace, able to make up for a lack of enjoyable content. Skaw fucked around with this message on 09-07-2006 at 03:56 PM.
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Bloodsage had this to say about John Romero:
I didn't say that's all that matters. I said that they contribute.And why are you trying to argue that good sound and graphics in no way contribute to immersiveness or good gaming experiences? Your argument simply doesn't work otherwise.
I had good gaming experiences well before good sound and graphics (lol 8-bit zelda anyone?).
It comes down to you, Sage, wanting a feast for the eyes and ears, and us, wanting a feast for the mind. Oh sure, you'll dismiss my argument saying that graphics and sound are most of what we experience. But what about storyline? "Go read a book"? Where's the interactivity?
/shrug
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Delphi Aegis gently hums:
I had good gaming experiences well before good sound and graphics (lol 8-bit zelda anyone?).It comes down to you, Sage, wanting a feast for the eyes and ears, and us, wanting a feast for the mind. Oh sure, you'll dismiss my argument saying that graphics and sound are most of what we experience. But what about storyline? "Go read a book"? Where's the interactivity?
/shrug
Except that you silly people are the only ones arguing that only one aspect of a game--one completely undefinable in any real sense--matters. That's just dumb.
It's quite possible to have games that do graphics and sound and story well. And if you settle for anything less, don't delude yourself into thinking you're taking the high road.
I played Pong when it came out too. For hours every day after school; it was the greatest thing ever. But its simplicity and lack of graphics don't make it superior to Top Spin or Table Tennis on the 360. Arguing that would be stupid.
Hint, hint.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
I've got a bit to wait. So go ahead.
My opinion of fun is better than your opinion of fun.
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Skaw said this about your mom:
Advent Rising. If the game sucks, graphics and sound aren't going to help it. If the games great, graphics and sound can help, but it'll be a great game anyway, as long as neither are monstrously subpar. I'd play a game that is fun and looks OK, over a game thats a steaming pile, but is orgasmic to the eyes and ears. The Wii in no way has terrible graphics like you're trying to paint it out to. The video at topic is recording a TV, which as I stated, always turns out horrible. Then compressed for streaming internet video.Nothing needs top of the line to be good. And top of the line power isn't a saving grace, able to make up for a lack of enjoyable content.
Cave Story.
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Talonus had this to say about John Romero:
My console is better than your console. Oh wait, I said that.My opinion of fun is better than your opinion of fun.
Let's just cut out all the fat.
My opinion is better than your opinion.
