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Topic: Some comeback questions...
Father McKenzie
Pancake
posted 05-24-2005 02:10:59 AM
Groovy. Now I need to set up powers...
Father McKenzie
Pancake
posted 05-24-2005 12:36:12 PM
Anyone know anything about Dark Defenders build wise? I'm having a hell of a time creating a build. Just don't know enough about any of the powers. Tried reading a few sites and some people talked about how Gloom was way more powerful than Moonbeam and that Petrifying Stare should be taken as soon as possible. Also had someone say that Health was useless and to get Hurdle or Swift as your second Fitness power. I'll post my try at a build here, but was just wondering if we have any experienced DDDs here or if anyone knew of any huge libraries of Hero Builds.

oh, and I was planning on taking Teleport. I know jumping is usually faster and Combat Jumping and Hover give defense buffs but I never find myself using them very much or helping very much. Am I wrong?

Father McKenzie fucked around with this message on 05-24-2005 at 12:54 PM.

Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 05-24-2005 02:16:59 PM
quote:
Father McKenzie wrote this stupid crap:
Anyone know anything about Dark Defenders build wise? I'm having a hell of a time creating a build. Just don't know enough about any of the powers. Tried reading a few sites and some people talked about how Gloom was way more powerful than Moonbeam and that Petrifying Stare should be taken as soon as possible. Also had someone say that Health was useless and to get Hurdle or Swift as your second Fitness power. I'll post my try at a build here, but was just wondering if we have any experienced DDDs here or if anyone knew of any huge libraries of Hero Builds.

oh, and I was planning on taking Teleport. I know jumping is usually faster and Combat Jumping and Hover give defense buffs but I never find myself using them very much or helping very much. Am I wrong?


Edit: Woops.. misread Defender as Tanker. Teleport would do ya fine as a Defender.

As far as Dark Defender, I'm not too experienced on em, so I'll let someone else answer ya that knows more.

Cobalt Katze fucked around with this message on 05-24-2005 at 02:19 PM.

Father McKenzie
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 01:44:59 AM
I couldn't make a dark defender because I can't really evaluate any of the powers. So instead I made this:

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Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder
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Name: Mind Controller
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Mind Control
Secondary: Empathy
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Levitate==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(7)
01) --> Healing Aura==> Heal(1) Heal(25) Heal(34) Heal(36) Heal(36) Heal(36)
02) --> Dominate==> Acc(2) Hold(7) Hold(9) Hold(9) Hold(11) Hold(11)
04) --> Heal Other==> Heal(4) Heal(13) Heal(13) Heal(15) Heal(15) Heal(17)
06) --> Confuse==> Acc(6) ConfDur(39) ConfDur(40) ConfDur(40) ConfDur(40) ConfDur(43)
08) --> Recall Friend==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Resurrect==> Rechg(10)
12) --> Swift==> Run(12)
14) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Hasten==> Rechg(16) Rechg(17) Rechg(19) Rechg(21) Rechg(19) Rechg(23)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18)
20) --> Stamina==> EndRec(20) EndRec(21) EndRec(23) EndRec(25) EndRec(27) EndRec(27)
22) --> Total Domination==> Acc(22) Hold(37) Hold(37) Hold(37) Hold(39) Hold(39)
24) --> Telekinesis==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Terrify==> Fear(26)
28) --> Recovery Aura==> Rechg(28) Rechg(29) Rechg(29) EndRec(31) EndRec(31) EndRec(31)
30) --> Clear Mind==> Rechg(30)
32) --> Mass Confusion==> Acc(32) ConfDur(33) ConfDur(33) ConfDur(33) ConfDur(34) ConfDur(34)
35) --> Regeneration Aura==> Rechg(35)
38) --> Maneuvers==> EndRdx(38) DefBuf(46) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(50)
41) --> Mental Blast==> Acc(41) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(43)
44) --> Mind Over Body==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(46) DmgRes(46)
47) --> Tactics==> EndRdx(47) EndRdx(50)
49) --> Assault==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
---------------------------------------------

Hope this looks right. It seems like I have too many slots but if I do its the programs fault.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 05-26-2005 01:53:30 AM
So do fire tankers not completly suck now? The whole getting stunned and having your dmg reduction go to zero was really lame.
Father McKenzie
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 01:55:53 AM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
So do fire tankers not completly suck now? The whole getting stunned and having your dmg reduction go to zero was really lame.

I don't know much, but I know Fire Tankers were considered insanely overpowered for the longest time because apparently they could farm XP at a crazy rate. They attempted to nerf them in some way but fire tankers are still considered the best farmers or something.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 05-26-2005 02:08:52 AM
quote:
Father McKenzie stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
I don't know much, but I know Fire Tankers were considered insanely overpowered for the longest time because apparently they could farm XP at a crazy rate. They attempted to nerf them in some way but fire tankers are still considered the best farmers or something.

I just remember having 4 guys on me, getting stunned and then promptly dying in half a second because all my shields went down.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-26-2005 02:53:12 AM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I just remember having 4 guys on me, getting stunned and then promptly dying in half a second because all my shields went down.

You didn't use Healing Flames, did you? That's your stun protection.

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 11:10:15 AM
quote:
Sakkra impressed everyone with:
You didn't use Healing Flames, did you? That's your stun protection.

Acrobatics combined with plasma shield, and you won't get stunned at all. And yes, they are insanely over powered. Even with burn causing fear now, I can still herd over 200 level 52 freaks with a few lucks.

Edit: here is proof =)

Ctrl-Alt-Del fucked around with this message on 05-26-2005 at 11:14 AM.

Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 01:17:48 PM
Rawr, my attempted build. Criticize at will. The only odd thing in there is Fly, which is mainly an RP choice rather than function. This is all based on an old 1st Issue build that I just now expanded to include the new additions and level 50 cap. So, beyond level 40 I just improvised on what to slot since there seems to be an overwhelming ammount of them later on. Voila.

Edit: Okay... the colors didn't work lol.

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder - (http://home.comcast.net/~SherkSilver/index.html)
---------------------------------------------
Name: ravenkuraine
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Storm Summoning
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Dmg(1) Acc(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(15) EndRdx(23) Dmg(36)
01) --> Gale==> Acc(1)
02) --> Blind==> Acc(2) Hold(3) Acc(5) Hold(9) EndRdx(11) Acc(13)
04) --> O2 Boost==> Heal(4) Heal(17) EndRdx(31) Heal(40)
06) --> Flash==> Acc(6) Hold(7) Rechg(7) Acc(9) Hold(11) Rechg(13)
08) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdx(8) Slow(31)
10) --> Recall Friend==> EndRdx(10)
12) --> Group Invisibility==> EndRdx(12)
14) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(14) EndRdx(15)
16) --> Freezing Rain==> DefDeBuf(16) DefDeBuf(17) DefDeBuf(40) EndRdx(40)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Dmg(18) Dmg(19) Acc(19) Dmg(21) Rechg(23) EndRdx(29)
20) --> Hasten==> Rechg(20) Rechg(21) Rechg(25) Rechg(25) Rechg(29) Rechg(31)
22) --> Swift==> Run(22)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24) Heal(46)
26) --> Stamina==> EndRec(26) EndRec(27) EndRec(27) EndRec(37)
28) --> Hurricane==> TH_DeBuf(28) TH_DeBuf(46)
30) --> Thunder Clap==> Acc(30) DisDur(34) Acc(37) DisDur(37)
32) --> Phantasm==> Dmg(32) Dmg(33) Acc(33) Rechg(33) EndRdx(34) Dmg(34)
35) --> Hover==> DefBuf(35) DefBuf(36) EndRdx(36)
38) --> Fly==> Fly(38) Fly(39) Fly(39) EndRdx(39) EndRdx(43)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42) Rechg(42) Rechg(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Power Blast==> Dmg(44) Dmg(45) Acc(45) Dmg(45) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Lightning Storm==> Dmg(47) Acc(48) Dmg(48) EndRdx(48)
49) --> Power Boost==> EndRdx(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
---------------------------------------------

Cobalt Katze fucked around with this message on 05-26-2005 at 01:19 PM.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-26-2005 01:54:39 PM
Remember boys and girls, the Psychic Clockwork King of Epsilon Tau 27-2 is not your friend.

This means that you should not attempt to solo him, especially not as a regen scrapper.

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 02:47:20 PM
quote:
Sakkra stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Remember boys and girls, the Psychic Clockwork King of Epsilon Tau 27-2 is not your friend.

This means that you should not attempt to solo him, especially not as a regen scrapper, or tank, or defender, or mind controller, maybe a fire controller though.


Tier
posted 05-26-2005 03:01:05 PM
quote:
So quoth Father McKenzie:
I couldn't make a dark defender because I can't really evaluate any of the powers. So instead I made this:
(stuff)

This is all just my opinion, but it worked well for me:

Take sleep powers. Take Mesmerize over Levitate if you have to. Mass Hypnosis also is worth it.

Granted, in some AE-intensive groups you won't get to use them much. But with Hasten, Mass Hypnosis with no slots is enough to keep a group of minions+lieutenants held forever. What's more, Confused enemies don't break sleeping targets, so you can easily pick two apart from the fold and bludgeon them down. So long as you deal 25% of the damage, confuse gives you full exp.

And if your group actually works as a team, and assists each other, you'll rarely find your sleeps broken.

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 05-26-2005 03:15:34 PM
quote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Acrobatics combined with plasma shield, and you won't get stunned at all. And yes, they are insanely over powered. Even with burn causing fear now, I can still herd over 200 level 52 freaks with a few lucks.

Edit: here is proof =)


So, when do you want to PL me again?

Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 05-26-2005 03:28:08 PM
quote:
This one time, at Trent camp:
So, when do you want to PL me again?

Ooh ooh! Me too me too!

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 04:44:41 PM
I hate you all =(
Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-26-2005 04:57:40 PM
quote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del was listening to Cher while typing:
I hate you all =(

It's a well known fact that "PL MEH!" tells are the source of fire tanks' powers.

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 05-26-2005 05:00:26 PM
quote:
So quoth Ctrl-Alt-Del:
I hate you all =(

See, i was really trying to avoid it. But afterall, i can still give you Fortitude and Adreniline Rush just fine without being SK'd

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 05-26-2005 05:02:56 PM
quote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del had this to say about Tron:
I hate you all =(

What!?! But, you're showing us just how awesome you are! Share the awesomeness.

What did you expect.

and pft, that's all? Health Regen, End Regen, Clear Mind and Fort from my healer.

Trent fucked around with this message on 05-26-2005 at 05:05 PM.

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 05-26-2005 06:09:31 PM
you don't NEED either aura if you're only grouping with one person and you have Adreniline Rush specc'd with 6 SO Hastes and have perma-hasten

And ya, clear mind.

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 05-26-2005 06:27:21 PM
I just wanted post 100.
Mightion Defensor
posted 05-26-2005 06:37:02 PM
I'm currently on as Mightion, while I wait for SWG to come back up... with an 9 pm Eastern time ETA.
Father McKenzie
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 08:53:59 PM
quote:
Asha'man had this to say about Knight Rider:
This is all just my opinion, but it worked well for me:

Take sleep powers. Take Mesmerize over Levitate if you have to. Mass Hypnosis also is worth it.

Granted, in some AE-intensive groups you won't get to use them much. But with Hasten, Mass Hypnosis with no slots is enough to keep a group of minions+lieutenants held forever. What's more, Confused enemies don't break sleeping targets, so you can easily pick two apart from the fold and bludgeon them down. So long as you deal 25% of the damage, confuse gives you full exp.

And if your group actually works as a team, and assists each other, you'll rarely find your sleeps broken.



I kinda found Hypnosis to not be that useful. Not to mention that Levitate is pretty much the only way I do damage (besides the little bit Dominate does). It's a decent interrupter type thing as well. I've played this build into the later teens, and have had no real problem soloing groups of 4, and it would only get better with Hasten and Stamina. With a nice long Dominate Duration, and hasted powers you could hold probably 4 with no AE. I can't imagine dropping Levitate. The only real merit I see in sleeping is the confusion trick. I use confusion to weaken a large group (and not kill off any members of the group by rotating the confuse around) or to disable a lieutenant for a bit while in a group. Really the only problem I found while soloing was the time it took for me to kill things and with a decently hasted Levitate/Dominate combo it shouldn't so bad. Not too mention last time, my slots were all shot to hell and scattered in all the wrong places.

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-26-2005 10:56:15 PM
quote:
From the book of Father McKenzie, chapter 3, verse 16:
I kinda found Hypnosis to not be that useful. Not to mention that Levitate is pretty much the only way I do damage (besides the little bit Dominate does). It's a decent interrupter type thing as well. I've played this build into the later teens, and have had no real problem soloing groups of 4, and it would only get better with Hasten and Stamina. With a nice long Dominate Duration, and hasted powers you could hold probably 4 with no AE. I can't imagine dropping Levitate. The only real merit I see in sleeping is the confusion trick. I use confusion to weaken a large group (and not kill off any members of the group by rotating the confuse around) or to disable a lieutenant for a bit while in a group. Really the only problem I found while soloing was the time it took for me to kill things and with a decently hasted Levitate/Dominate combo it shouldn't so bad. Not too mention last time, my slots were all shot to hell and scattered in all the wrong places.

Mass hypnosis rocks, both with a team, and soloing. Use it when you don't have any tankers or scrappers, and have your team target one enemy at a time, while the rest are in lala land. Confusion is crap at the higher levels, and you are gonna want to drop levitate at the higher levels, because you should not want to solo at all.

Tier
posted 05-27-2005 05:22:45 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Father McKenzie said:
I kinda found Hypnosis to not be that useful. Not to mention that Levitate is pretty much the only way I do damage (besides the little bit Dominate does). It's a decent interrupter type thing as well. I've played this build into the later teens, and have had no real problem soloing groups of 4, and it would only get better with Hasten and Stamina. With a nice long Dominate Duration, and hasted powers you could hold probably 4 with no AE. I can't imagine dropping Levitate. The only real merit I see in sleeping is the confusion trick. I use confusion to weaken a large group (and not kill off any members of the group by rotating the confuse around) or to disable a lieutenant for a bit while in a group. Really the only problem I found while soloing was the time it took for me to kill things and with a decently hasted Levitate/Dominate combo it shouldn't so bad. Not too mention last time, my slots were all shot to hell and scattered in all the wrong places.

That's all fine and well, but with Mass Hypnosis, I'm talking of soloing groups of 10.

Asha'man fucked around with this message on 05-27-2005 at 05:23 AM.

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-27-2005 07:01:56 PM
Remember folks, don't piss off hammi, unless he is held, or you will die.


I was laughing my ass off when they wouldn't listen to us. If Hamidon hit's 50% HP and isn't held, he spawns a giant monster for every character in The Hive. I got myself and the rest of the raid leaders out of there fast enough, then went back in and took this screenshot.

Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-27-2005 08:04:17 PM
Now ya'll got me wanting to come back...
Cookie Goddess Supreme
Furry Kitsune of Power!
Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 05-27-2005 08:18:05 PM
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 05-27-2005 09:00:53 PM
quote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del thought about the meaning of life:
Remember folks, don't piss off hammi, unless he is held, or you will die.

[xIMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/BlazinAsian/Owned3.jpg[/IMG]


I was laughing my ass off when they wouldn't listen to us. If Hamidon hit's 50% HP and isn't held, he spawns a giant monster for every character in The Hive. I got myself and the rest of the raid leaders out of there fast enough, then went back in and took this screenshot.

[xIMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/BlazinAsian/Owned1.jpg[/IMG]


My sister bitched about that to me today.

Musta sucked.

Good luck with tonight's though.

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-27-2005 09:32:58 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Delphi Aegis:
My sister bitched about that to me today.

Musta sucked.

Good luck with tonight's though.


It's because no one listened to Xaynn. The controllers weren't spamming the holds like they were supposed to. Usually the MA get's blamed, but since it was my first time, no one blamed me.

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-27-2005 10:11:41 PM
In other news, I got killed by a level 1 hellion today, when I was level 50. That is all.
Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 05-27-2005 11:01:10 PM
Anyone know of a good invuln/fire build?
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 05-28-2005 02:29:52 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Ctrl-Alt-Del was all like:
In other news, I got killed by a level 1 hellion today, when I was level 50. That is all.

haha.. Uh. how? lol

Tier
posted 05-28-2005 03:10:40 AM
quote:
Katrinity stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Now ya'll got me wanting to come back...

Go right ahead.

"Just log into the game between 2pm (CDT) on Thursday, May 26th and 11:59pm (CDT) on Tuesday, May 31st and you will find your account reactivated FREE of charge!* Your hero characters will be waiting just as you left them, ready for new adventures."

Gadani
U
posted 05-28-2005 03:20:06 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Asha'man said:
Go right ahead.

"Just log into the game between 2pm (CDT) on Thursday, May 26th and 11:59pm (CDT) on Tuesday, May 31st and you will find your account reactivated FREE of charge!* Your hero characters will be waiting just as you left them, ready for new adventures."


*Only accounts in good standing will be reactivated.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-28-2005 03:38:28 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about dark elf butts:
haha.. Uh. how? lol

Probably expemplared.

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 05-28-2005 02:02:42 PM
No, he was level 50 at the time. Even a level 1 has a 1% chance to hit a 50 for 1 point of damage and since he had just fallen from the top of Atlas he was at 1 hit point
KaLourin
Illanae's Stooge!
posted 05-29-2005 08:43:10 AM
except... there is nothing in range of the Atlas statue that could have taken a shot at him when he hit the ground
Dont make me slap you so hard your bucket spins around, and around,and stops sideways,thus confusing you, and making you run about London wearing your bucket, a g-string, and carrying a stick,smacking the ground while yelling "MAGICALLY DELICIOUS! MAGICALLY FUCKING DELICIOUS!"- {Tal} to Mortious
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Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 05-29-2005 10:54:31 AM
I still have a friend-code thingie to hand out.
Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-29-2005 11:05:20 AM
quote:
KaLourin had this to say about pies:
except... there is nothing in range of the Atlas statue that could have taken a shot at him when he hit the ground

I've been jumping in Galaxy city, it's higher =P

edit: I'm gonna go try it again later tonight.

Ctrl-Alt-Del fucked around with this message on 05-29-2005 at 11:05 AM.

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