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Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 05-29-2005 12:56:23 PM
I need a critique on a build!

Archetype: Tanker
Primary Powers - Ranged : Invulnerability
Secondary Powers - Support : Fiery Melee

01 : Scorch dam(01) dam(3) dam(9) dam(31)
01 : Resist Physical Damage damres(01) damres(5) damres(5) damres(13) damres(17) damres(21)
02 : Temp Invulnerability damres(02) damres(3) endred(13) damres(25) damres(34) damres(36)
04 : Fire Sword dam(04) dam(7) dam(11)
06 : Resist Elements damres(06) damres(7) damres(15) damres(19) damres(23) damres(25)
08 : Unyielding damres(08) damres(9) damres(15) damres(21) damres(27) damres(34)
10 : Combustion dam(10) acc(11) dam(19) dam(27) dam(29)
12 : Combat Jumping jmp(12)
14 : Super Jump jmp(14)
16 : Breath of Fire dam(16) dam(17) dam(23) dam(29) dam(43)
18 : Swift runspd(18)
20 : Health hel(20) hel(40)
22 : Stamina endrec(22) endrec(40)
24 : Taunt tntdur(24)
26 : Tough Hide defbuf(26) defbuf(37) defbuf(37) defbuf(39)
28 : Resist Energies damres(28) damres(31) damres(31) damres(33) damres(33) damres(34)
30 : Fire Sword Circle dam(30) dam(33) dam(36)
32 : Invincibility defbuf(32) defbuf(40)
35 : Incinerate dam(35) dam(36) dam(37) dam(43) dam(46)
38 : Greater Fire Sword dam(38) dam(39) dam(39) dam(42) dam(46)
41 : Ring of Fire immdur(41) immdur(42) dam(42) dam(43) dam(46)
44 : Unstoppable damres(44) damres(45) damres(45) damres(45) damres(48) damres(48)
47 : Fireblast dam(47) dam(48) dam(50)
49 : Fireball dam(49) dam(50) dam(50)

-------------------------------------------

01 : Brawl enhancement(01)
01 : Sprint enhancement(01)
02 : Rest enhancement(02)

Xyrra fucked around with this message on 05-29-2005 at 01:00 PM.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-29-2005 01:01:06 PM
Xyrra, I highly recommend taking invincible as soon as possible, especially if you're going to be doing any sort of grouping. It's a great defense and accuracy buff, as well as an auto taunt. It also scales by how many enemies are near you, so the more there are, the harder you are to hit.
Malkav
C'mon, fear the fangs... plz
posted 05-30-2005 03:21:57 AM
[QUOTE]This insanity brought to you by Xyrra:
[QB]I need a critique on a build!

Archetype: Tanker
Primary Powers - Ranged : Invulnerability
Secondary Powers - Support : Fiery Melee

01 : Scorch dam(01) dam(3) dam(9) dam(31)

A minor attack, I wouldnt recomend slotting up

01 : Resist Physical Damage damres(01) damres(5) damres(5) damres(13) damres(17) damres(21)

You dont need that many slots in this to hit the cap with SO enhances drop the extra slots

02 : Temp Invulnerability damres(02) damres(3) endred(13) damres(25) damres(34) damres(36)

Same thing as with Resist Physical Damage, to many slots you dont need more than one or 2 slots in this.

04 : Fire Sword dam(04) dam(7) dam(11)

Your Primary Single Target Attack for quite some time, it should get some of the slots from the other things you have down here.

06 : Resist Elements damres(06) damres(7) damres(15) damres(19) damres(23) damres(25)

You can stall on getting this for a while I would recomend taking Taunt here or a Fitness power to speed stamina to level 20

08 : Unyielding damres(08) damres(9) damres(15) damres(21) damres(27) damres(34)

Solid Choice and slotted perfectly.

10 : Combustion dam(10) acc(11) dam(19) dam(27) dam(29)

If you are focusing on aoe damage then slot this more, it takes a while to animate but does decent damage.

12 : Combat Jumping jmp(12)
14 : Super Jump jmp(14)

This looks fine, you might want a end red in super jump but that is it.

16 : Breath of Fire dam(16) dam(17) dam(23) dam(29) dam(43)

Don't know much about this attack but I have heard it is a really small cone, but you should be taking Invincibility at this level, and it should get slotted more.

18 : Swift runspd(18)
20 : Health hel(20) hel(40)
22 : Stamina endrec(22) endrec(40)

Stamina should get 6 slots annd recovery, even with the buff it got skip on slotting up health it is minor

24 : Taunt tntdur(24)

As I mentioned earlier you should get this earlier.

26 : Tough Hide defbuf(26) defbuf(37) defbuf(37) defbuf(39)

Tough Hide is a base def of 7.5 the same as Stealth, you could use the slots better other places.

28 : Resist Energies damres(28) damres(31) damres(31) damres(33) damres(33) damres(34)

Looks good, not sure if you might have wanted it earlier but looks ok.

30 : Fire Sword Circle dam(30) dam(33) dam(36)

Same thing I said on Combustion if you are going for massive aoe damage, and it looks like you are then slot it all the way up with damage, you get your acc from invincible

32 : Invincibility defbuf(32) defbuf(40)

This is a fundimental power of the set and should come at level 16 when it is available.

35 : Incinerate dam(35) dam(36) dam(37) dam(43) dam(46)
38 : Greater Fire Sword dam(38) dam(39) dam(39) dam(42) dam(46)
41 : Ring of Fire immdur(41) immdur(42) dam(42) dam(43) dam(46)

Those look ok but I would recomend taking the hold insted of the immobilize and not slotting it for damage only hald and mabye an acc.

44 : Unstoppable damres(44) damres(45) damres(45) damres(45) damres(48) damres(48)

This is Overkill, unstoppable isnt very good now and far exceeds the damage with only one or 2 enhancements if you really want the power keep in mind it now has a 13 minute recharge time and a 3 minute duration so recharge would be a focus.

47 : Fireblast dam(47) dam(48) dam(50)
49 : Fireball dam(49) dam(50) dam(50)

Decide if you are aoe or single target and stick to the theme, slotting up the power in that catagory.
-------------------------------------------

01 : Brawl enhancement(01)
01 : Sprint enhancement(01)
02 : Rest enhancement(02)

Having typed all that in, I have never played a Inv/Fire tank only read more than a few guides to building tanks and I would recomend checking out the Forums in the tanker section there is a list of guides that can help out.

Edit: Found a guide to the powersets: Inv/Fire Guide

Malkav fucked around with this message on 05-30-2005 at 04:25 AM.

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Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-31-2005 09:02:02 AM
Well this sucks...

I want to come back into the game and I can't because everytime I run CoHUpdater, it comes up with an error with kernel32.dll. Been checking and this is supposedly caused by virus' or spyware on your system.

I've finally gotten the Spyware off my system and pretty sure I've cleaned it of virus' too. Still it won't work. Uninstalled, reinstalled. Won't work. Downloaded a new kernel32.dll file. Won't work.

I've about given up hope.

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El Cuchillo
RETARD! DO NOT FEED!
posted 05-31-2005 09:11:50 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Katrinity said:
Well this sucks...

I want to come back into the game and I can't because everytime I run CoHUpdater, it comes up with an error with kernel32.dll. Been checking and this is supposedly caused by virus' or spyware on your system.

I've finally gotten the Spyware off my system and pretty sure I've cleaned it of virus' too. Still it won't work. Uninstalled, reinstalled. Won't work. Downloaded a new kernel32.dll file. Won't work.

I've about given up hope.


Try running House Call on the Trend Micro site, if you haven't already?

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Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-31-2005 09:19:34 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by El Cuchillo:
Try running House Call on the Trend Micro site, if you haven't already?

I'll give it a try later. Maybe it will work... <crosses fingers>

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Willias
Pancake
posted 05-31-2005 01:45:13 PM
This is how I plan to build my character.

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder
---------------------------------------------
Name: Willias
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Katana
Secondary: Invulnerability
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Gambler's Cut==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) DefDeBuf(9) DefDeBuf(19) Acc(37) DefDeBuf(45)
01) --> Resist Physical Damage==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(9) DmgRes(50)
02) --> Flashing Steel==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(15) Acc(25) DefDeBuf(36) Dmg(45)
04) --> Sting of the Wasp==> Acc(4) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Acc(15) DefDeBuf(36) Dmg(40)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(6)
08) --> Build Up==> Rechg(8)
10) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(10) Rechg(11) Rechg(11) Rechg(13) Rechg(48)
12) --> Resist Elements==> DmgRes(12) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(21)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Unyielding==> DmgRes(16) DmgRes(17) DmgRes(17) EndRdx(19) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(37)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20) Heal(42)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22) EndRec(23) EndRec(23) EndRec(25) EndRec(29) EndRec(29)
24) --> Resist Energies==> DmgRes(24) DmgRes(33) DmgRes(40)
26) --> Soaring Dragon==> EndRdx(26) Acc(27) Dmg(27) Dmg(31) Dmg(36) Acc(39)
28) --> Invincibility==> TH_Buf(28) TH_Buf(37) TH_Buf(39) Rechg(40)
30) --> The Lotus Drops==> EndRdx(30) Rechg(31) Acc(31) EndRdx(43) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
32) --> Golden Dragonfly==> Acc(32) Rechg(33) EndRdx(33) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Dmg(34)
35) --> Tough Hide==> DefBuf(35) DefBuf(39) DefBuf(43)
38) --> Assault==> EndRdx(38) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(46)
41) --> Web Grenade==> EndRdx(41) Acc(42) Immob(43)
44) --> Shuriken==> Acc(44) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Exploding Shurken==> EndRdx(47) EndRdx(48) Acc(48)
49) --> Tactics==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50) TH_Buf(50)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
---------------------------------------------

I think I got most of the powers right, but may have placed enhancements wrong. Some critique-age would be nice.

Tier
posted 05-31-2005 05:23:47 PM
First off: Assault and Tactics won't be too helpful for you. The bonus is rather low for non-support classes, and it's very END-intensive. You're countermanding this by putting slots that could easily be better spent elsewhere.

Second: That isn't capping your resists, or anything near it. If that's what you intended, more power to you. If not... Like it or not, you need to have another toggle to reach it. Whether it be Tough, or TI. The former is less END intensive, the latter has more resists. For that matter, note that a resist enhancement slot in TI, or even Tough, is much, much more efficient than one in RPD. There's quite a few possible combinations to reach the cap, and for these I'd rather point you to the Scrapper forums.

Second and a half: That covers smashing and lethal resists, but there's still energy and elements to take care of... A LOT of enemies use a two-part attack with some energy or element added onto their smashing/lethal. Free up some slots from other powers to max out Energy and Elements instead.

Third: On attacks. You want more slots in Flashing Steel earlier. It's a damned nice attack, especially handy for multiples. Mine was fully slotted at 10, and it was well worth it. On your other attacks, the Def debuffs pretty much aren't worth it... No matter what the number on the debuff is, even enhanced, it won't be as good as an extra accuracy. Not to mention the buff from Invinc, like I was saying in-game, which will even let you replace accuracy with end reducers. Attacks are what costs the most END, not toggles.

Fourth: Invincibility slots. Opinions are kinda split on this, but here's mine: It's not worth slotting. Def buffs on it are neglectible -- it takes about 5-6 Defense SOs to reach the bonus you get from having one enemy on you. (I think that was for Tankers, might be different for Scrappers, but still close.) If you must put defense buff slots somewhere, I'd say finish up Tough Hide, at least it works on ranged enemies, and whether your toggles are on or not.

Of course, this was all written from the point of view of a solo scrapper, which needs to be able to take some damage. Since you're duoing with a Tanker, your mileage may vary.

Asha'man fucked around with this message on 05-31-2005 at 05:30 PM.

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Pancake
posted 05-31-2005 05:43:19 PM
Also, you are going to want to add more slots to build up, or not take it at all. As it only lasts for 10 seconds, and with one recharge, still has about a 3 minute recharge. 6 slotting build up then you can remove all but one acc enhancements in your attacks.
Tier
posted 05-31-2005 06:25:44 PM
quote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del said this about your mom:
Also, you are going to want to add more slots to build up, or not take it at all. As it only lasts for 10 seconds, and with one recharge, still has about a 3 minute recharge. 6 slotting build up then you can remove all but one acc enhancements in your attacks.

Eh.

With Hasten, and one SO, I get it every 45 seconds. Maybe the scrapper Build Up is different from the Blaster one?

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Pancake
posted 05-31-2005 06:26:29 PM
It may be, but I don't have hasten, so maybe that's why it's so slow for me.
Tier
posted 05-31-2005 06:30:05 PM
It's the same duration according to Hero builder. 3 SOs, without Hasten, takes it down to about 47secs, which sounds reasonable to me.
Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-31-2005 07:30:33 PM
Nope..couldn't even get House Call to work. My Mozilla doesn't like the Java Runtime.
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Willias
Pancake
posted 06-01-2005 01:27:22 AM
Okay, posting build stuff again, mainly because I have a better understanding of what I need and what I want after a long day of playing.

Here's where I'm at:

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder
---------------------------------------------
Name: Will - 15
Level: 15
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Katana
Secondary: Invulnerability
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Gambler's Cut==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) DefDeBuf(9)
01) --> Resist Physical Damage==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(9)
02) --> Flashing Steel==> Acc(2) Dmg(3)
04) --> Sting of the Wasp==> Dmg(4) Acc(5) Dmg(5)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(6)
08) --> Build Up==> Rechg(8)
10) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(10) Rechg(11) Rechg(11) Rechg(13)
12) --> Resist Elements==> DmgRes(12) DmgRes(13)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
---------------------------------------------

And here is the revamped build:

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder
---------------------------------------------
Name: Willias
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Katana
Secondary: Invulnerability
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Gambler's Cut==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(9) EndRdx(37) DefDeBuf(40)
01) --> Resist Physical Damage==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(9) DmgRes(36) DmgRes(36)
02) --> Flashing Steel==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(15) Rechg(15) EndRdx(37) Dmg(40)
04) --> Sting of the Wasp==> Dmg(4) Acc(5) Dmg(5) Rechg(21) EndRdx(37) Dmg(40)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(6)
08) --> Build Up==> Rechg(8) Rechg(46) Rechg(48) TH_Buf(50) Rechg(50)
10) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(10) Rechg(11) Rechg(11) Rechg(13)
12) --> Resist Elements==> DmgRes(12) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Unyielding==> DmgRes(16) DmgRes(17) DmgRes(17) EndRdx(19) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(21)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22) EndRec(23) EndRec(23) EndRec(25) EndRec(25) EndRec(27)
24) --> Resist Energies==> DmgRes(24) DmgRes(29) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45)
26) --> Soaring Dragon==> Rechg(26) Dmg(27) Dmg(29) EndRdx(31) Acc(34) EndRdx(36)
28) --> Invincibility==> TH_Buf(28)
30) --> The Lotus Drops==> EndRdx(30) Rechg(31) EndRdx(31) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Rechg(39)
32) --> Golden Dragonfly==> Acc(32) EndRdx(33) EndRdx(33) Rechg(33) Dmg(34) Dmg(34)
35) --> Hasten==> Rechg(35) Rechg(43) Rechg(43) Rechg(45)
38) --> Tough Hide==> DefBuf(38) DefBuf(50)
41) --> Kick==> Acc(41)
44) --> Tough==> DmgRes(44) EndRdx(46) DmgRes(46)
47) --> Caltrops==> EndRdx(47)
49) --> Shuriken==> Range(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
---------------------------------------------

How's that look?

El Cuchillo
RETARD! DO NOT FEED!
posted 06-01-2005 04:06:37 AM
quote:
Katrinity had this to say about dark elf butts:
Nope..couldn't even get House Call to work. My Mozilla doesn't like the Java Runtime.

IE is completely broken, then?

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Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 06-01-2005 04:08:30 AM
quote:
Willias impressed everyone with:

How's that look?


Colorful.

Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 06-01-2005 at 04:09 AM.

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Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 06-01-2005 09:35:58 AM
quote:
Verily, El Cuchillo doth proclaim:
IE is completely broken, then?

I found and ran Panda Virus Scanner instead. Found some stuff that I'm now (not really now as I'm at work ) trying to clean up.

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Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 06-02-2005 08:30:17 AM
Yay, finally got it working last night!

Used avast Virus Cleaner and it worked after that.

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El Cuchillo
RETARD! DO NOT FEED!
posted 06-02-2005 08:49:27 AM
Cool, get in the EC channel later, then.

I've already filled up all my slots on Guardian. I might have to delete some...

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Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 06-02-2005 08:56:12 AM
I hope they kept my old characters...

If so, expect to see the Mystic Kitsune (Illusion/Storm Controller)and Salamandra (Fire/Stone Tanker) once again!

Cookie Goddess Supreme
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Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
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Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 06-02-2005 08:59:43 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Katrinity was all like:
I hope they kept my old characters...

If so, expect to see the Mystic Kitsune (Illusion/Storm Controller)and Salamandra (Fire/Stone Tanker) once again!


Mine where all still there, as I looked into the game again last weekend, after having canceled the subscribtion about one year ago.

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Pancake
posted 06-02-2005 12:11:47 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Katrinity said:
I hope they kept my old characters...

If so, expect to see the Mystic Kitsune (Illusion/Storm Controller)and Salamandra (Fire/Stone Tanker) once again!


I canned mine a month after release and all of them were still there.

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