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Topic: Some comeback questions...
Tier
posted 05-22-2005 07:32:28 PM
quote:
Delidgamond thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
omg google.com

Good ol Pips


Sadly, that's outdated -- like, content update 2 outdated.

Willias
Pancake
posted 05-22-2005 09:31:33 PM
Made a new character and came back to CoH. Enjoying playing my Katana/Invulnerable Scrapper, really awesome to see that they changed the names of all the katana powers AND changed the animations AND changed the katana to a two-handed sword. Just need to pick up some Invulnerability powers instead of katana stuff.

Level 9 so far. Hollows is the awesome.

Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 05-22-2005 10:22:28 PM
I'm probably gonna come back once I'm not overdrawn 30 bucks...
Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 05-22-2005 10:40:27 PM
I loved my Katana/Invuln scrapper...especially since it was played on the roleplay server, and I played her as a sorta "Samurai Jane"...she went to the Hollows to clean up the "elemental bandits" (ie Outcasts). Katana animations were just absolutely beautiful...good times.



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Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 05-22-2005 10:46:34 PM
How would a Claws or Spines/Regen scrapper be?

I'm debating.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 05-22-2005 10:48:49 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
How would a Claws or Spines/Regen scrapper be?

I'm debating.


Spines/Regen is pretty good, but Claws is pretty much an inferior version of Spines IMO.

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Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-22-2005 10:58:25 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr had this to say about Captain Planet:
How would a Claws or Spines/Regen scrapper be?

I'm debating.


Claws is sadly mediocre. Whereas every other set offers a supplemental effect such as defense debuffs on katana, accuracy debuffs for dark melee, disorient/knockback on martial arts, and slow on spines, claws doesn't. Our supposed advantage is lower endurance usage and fast recharges, though the damage is low enough that all other sets deal more damage per endurance (DPE) and many of our attacks (Slash, Eviscerate, Swipe) have extremely long animation times, making us do less attacks over a period of timethan other sets, especially when things like hasten and recharge enchancements are taken into effect.

As far as spines go, you'll be great at dealing AOE damage and taking out large groups of minions, but not as good as dealing with single enemies like bosses or archvillains as some of the other sets (IIRC Martial Arts is considered the best for single target damage). However, the 100 xp you get from multiple minions is the same as the 100 xp you get from a single boss.

Edit: Fuck tiny laptop keyboards. You can deal with my typos.

Sakkra fucked around with this message on 05-22-2005 at 10:59 PM.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-22-2005 11:30:09 PM
ARRG FUCK YOU

Only because my WoW account expires in 13 hours

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Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-22-2005 11:54:44 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Delidgamond said:
ARRG FUCK YOU

Only because my WoW account expires in 13 hours


I'm going to group with you, just so I can use Recall Friend to teleport you into a large group of savage rikti psychic monkeys. Yes, they do exist.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 05-23-2005 12:02:30 AM
I'd play again now that Issue 4 is live, but I just got EQ2.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-23-2005 12:33:42 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent JooJooFlop said:
I'd play again now that Issue 4 is live, but I just got EQ2.

So, what? You'll be back with us in a month or two?

(EQ2 has its good points, but it just wasn't the game for me.)

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Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 12:53:34 AM
Why doesn't joystick function work >=(
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Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 05-23-2005 12:59:46 AM
Picikin what type of controller to be is hard. Fire imps sounds neat but takes awhile to get...but then again, illusion or mind control could be fun too...
Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 01:04:42 AM
I still got my 21 Mind Control/FF controller.

Should I just forget about him?

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Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 05-23-2005 01:09:44 AM
God, I just can't pick what i want to be.
Tier
posted 05-23-2005 01:14:23 AM
I can't speak for illusion/fire, but Mind is somewhat challenging to play. You won't have a pet, ever, and most of your CC comes in sleeps.

But if your group agrees to not break sleep effects... You're the biggest showstopper out there, with eight different ways to completely prevent a mob from acting. That is, Hold, Sleep, Confuse, AE Hold, AE Sleep, AE Confuse, Terrify (Fear) and Telekinesis (toggle hold). Only one of their powers isn't a mez of sorts.

Of course, the drawback is flexibility... You're crowd control, and only crowd control. Illusion, for example, has the best invisiblity buff in the game. Most others have pets, and different kinds of powers.

In spite of this specialization, I still think a mind controller is damned well worth the trouble. They can solo as well as other controllers, though they won't deal as much damage as say, fire ones. Or maybe they can, with a well-placed confuse. From what I saw, Confuse actually gives you full exp now, so long as you deal damage, I believe.

Asha'man fucked around with this message on 05-23-2005 at 01:16 AM.

Tier
posted 05-23-2005 06:42:54 AM
Now for the part everyone likes the most... Time to critique the build. I've maxed out physical resists on it, got the most I could with the rest, and took a fair amount of defense skills. I'm counting on end reducers on attacks to keep me going constantly instead of dealing more damage per hit. This is probably just a temporary version, in regards to a few powers. Namely, I don't know how useful Build Up is, but I couldn't case it before that... Stamina and its prerequisites are taking up the space.

Now, since I'm fairly clueless about Scrappers: is it worth bumping Stamina down 2 levels to take Build Up before? Should I slot Sting of the Wasp and Divine Avalanche more, and earlier? What about Taunt and Stealth, am I better off with an ancillary power pool? If it's any help, I'll mostly be soloing/duoing most of the time, with sometimes groups of up to 4.

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder
---------------------------------------------
Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Katana
Secondary: Invulnerability
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sting of the Wasp==> EndRdx(1) Acc(17) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(50) Rechg(50)
01) --> Resist Physical Damage==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Flashing Steel==> EndRdx(2) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Rechg(11)
04) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(4) DmgRes(43)
06) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) Rechg(11)
08) --> Divine Avalanche==> Acc(8) Acc(50)
10) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) Rechg(15) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Unyielding==> EndRdx(18) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(27)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22) EndRec(23) EndRec(23) EndRec(25) EndRec(25) EndRec(27)
24) --> The Lotus Drops==> EndRdx(24) Acc(34) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(37)
26) --> Soaring Dragon==> EndRdx(26) Acc(29) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) Rechg(31)
28) --> Invincibility==> TH_Buf(28)
30) --> Resist Elements==> DmgRes(30) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(40) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(46)
32) --> Golden Dragonfly==> EndRdx(32) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Tough Hide==> DefBuf(35)
38) --> Unstoppable==> Rechg(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Resist Energies==> DmgRes(41) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(48)
44) --> Build Up==> Rechg(44) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Stealth==> DefBuf(47)
49) --> Calling the Wolf==> Taunt(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
---------------------------------------------

Asha'man fucked around with this message on 05-23-2005 at 07:51 AM.

Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 05-23-2005 08:48:44 AM
quote:
Asha'man was naked while typing this:
Now for the part everyone likes the most... Time to critique the build. I've maxed out physical resists on it, got the most I could with the rest, and took a fair amount of defense skills. I'm counting on end reducers on attacks to keep me going constantly instead of dealing more damage per hit. This is probably just a temporary version, in regards to a few powers. Namely, I don't know how useful Build Up is, but I couldn't case it before that... Stamina and its prerequisites are taking up the space.

Now, since I'm fairly clueless about Scrappers: is it worth bumping Stamina down 2 levels to take Build Up before? Should I slot Sting of the Wasp and Divine Avalanche more, and earlier? What about Taunt and Stealth, am I better off with an ancillary power pool? If it's any help, I'll mostly be soloing/duoing most of the time, with sometimes groups of up to 4.

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.4.6.0 of the CoH Hero Builder
---------------------------------------------
Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Katana
Secondary: Invulnerability
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sting of the Wasp==> EndRdx(1) Acc(17) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(50) Rechg(50)
01) --> Resist Physical Damage==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Flashing Steel==> EndRdx(2) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Rechg(11)
04) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(4) DmgRes(43)
06) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) Rechg(11)
08) --> Divine Avalanche==> Acc(8) Acc(50)
10) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) Rechg(15) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Unyielding==> EndRdx(18) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(27)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22) EndRec(23) EndRec(23) EndRec(25) EndRec(25) EndRec(27)
24) --> The Lotus Drops==> EndRdx(24) Acc(34) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(37)
26) --> Soaring Dragon==> EndRdx(26) Acc(29) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) Rechg(31)
28) --> Invincibility==> TH_Buf(28)
30) --> Resist Elements==> DmgRes(30) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(40) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(46)
32) --> Golden Dragonfly==> EndRdx(32) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Tough Hide==> DefBuf(35)
38) --> Unstoppable==> Rechg(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Resist Energies==> DmgRes(41) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(48)
44) --> Build Up==> Rechg(44) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Stealth==> DefBuf(47)
49) --> Calling the Wolf==> Taunt(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
---------------------------------------------


Okay, I have two pieces of advice for this build.

First of all, ditch Divine Avalanche. You'll get all the defense you'll ever need from Invincibility, and without invincibility, the defense gained from Divine Avalanche is insignificant. Divine Avalanche is paltry damage, only a little better than brawl. Instead, get swift, then either move your other fitness powers up one and get Build Up at 22, or get Buildup where you would have gotten swift originally and leave the others at their current level.

Second, I recommend you AVOID taking taunt, ever, and instead invest in the Body Mastery Epic Power Pool. Focused Accuracy is absolute love, and conserve power comes in very handy.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-23-2005 12:53:44 PM
Ditch Tough Hide as well. As Mooj said, with invincibility and decent sized groups you won't be needing the extra defense.

Also, get build up sooner than you do now. Doubling your damage for a few attacks (read: Lotus Drops and Flashing Steel for some sweet sweet AOE damage once you've gathered things with Invincibility) is a beautiful thing.

Sakkra fucked around with this message on 05-23-2005 at 12:55 PM.

Tier
posted 05-23-2005 06:21:37 PM
I was under the (false?) assumption that there's a cap on how many enemies count for Invincibility. Either way, I'm not sure herding'd be much beneficial when only duoing, and for whenever I wouldn't be herding (I.E.: bosses), I wouldn't mind the 20% (supposedly) defense bonus... Not to mention Invincibility isn't coming for a long time. I'll respec after that if I find it useless, I guess.
Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 06:43:46 PM
How do I get that purple surfboard thingy I see some people on? It doesn't increase their speed but they surf on it.
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Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 06:45:18 PM
What is the /who command in this game?
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Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-23-2005 06:57:18 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Delidgamond was all like:
How do I get that purple surfboard thingy I see some people on? It doesn't increase their speed but they surf on it.

spend 20 bucks and get the special edition. It's kinda worthless. It's a silver surfer version of sprint.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 07:14:24 PM
How do you get a cape?
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Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-23-2005 07:15:57 PM
quote:
Delidgamond stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
How do you get a cape?

You do a special mission at level 20.

You can also get a permanent particle effect at level 30, IIRC.

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Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 07:22:28 PM
Go go level 4.

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Ice/Rad Controller ( I want Ice Slick )

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Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 07:47:31 PM
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Tier
posted 05-23-2005 09:02:17 PM
You can keep yourself perma-AM'd and Hasten'd with only 5 recharge reduction SOs in each. If you'd rather have more end regen, 4 SOs in AM will give about 5 seconds of downtime on it, tops, and leave 2 slots for others.

Also, if you put more recharge reduction in Jack Frost, you can reach 3-4 of them out at any given time. Better than them dealing slightly more damage, yes?

Asha'man fucked around with this message on 05-23-2005 at 09:06 PM.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 05-23-2005 09:10:02 PM
It didn't even occur to me that you can have more than one out...
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Tier
posted 05-23-2005 09:17:49 PM
There's a reason they say Controllers make amongst the best soloers.

Oh, and the closest thing to /who is /search, which brings up the interface for looking for groupmates... You can select archetypes, levels, names, etc with it.

Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 05-23-2005 09:18:48 PM
quote:
Asha'man spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I was under the (false?) assumption that there's a cap on how many enemies count for Invincibility. Either way, I'm not sure herding'd be much beneficial when only duoing, and for whenever I wouldn't be herding (I.E.: bosses), I wouldn't mind the 20% (supposedly) defense bonus... Not to mention Invincibility isn't coming for a long time. I'll respec after that if I find it useless, I guess.

Of course you can do whatever you like, but trust me, divine avalanche on its own is not enough of a defensive boost to make any difference in a fight. You might get one out of five melee attacks to miss you, and that's it. As for invincibility, there is a cap, but it's somewhere around 6 or so people.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 05-23-2005 09:22:31 PM
quote:
Asha'man's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
I was under the (false?) assumption that there's a cap on how many enemies count for Invincibility. Either way, I'm not sure herding'd be much beneficial when only duoing, and for whenever I wouldn't be herding (I.E.: bosses), I wouldn't mind the 20% (supposedly) defense bonus... Not to mention Invincibility isn't coming for a long time. I'll respec after that if I find it useless, I guess.

From my understanding, there are two caps on defense. One is what you can reach on your own via things like Tough Hide, Invincibility, SR powers, etc, and the second is from external buffing. The first cap varies between classes, and a scrapper won't have as high defense as a tanker with the same powers, though I'm not 100% sure. I do however know this is true of damage resistance, as an invuln scrapper's cap is 75% res, whereas a tank's is much higher (I want to say 90 - 95%, but I don't have the exact tank numbers).

Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 05-23-2005 09:35:16 PM
Oi, I'm back in the fold. Raven Kuraine, on yer resident server. Look me up maybe.
Tier
posted 05-23-2005 09:44:45 PM
75 for scrappers, 90 for tankers... This puts my physical resists at 72% without Unstoppable... Not that it matters, only time I'll end up using Unstoppable is against shit that breaks toggles.

Defense-wise, there isn't much I can add. I wanted to take Stealth, but couldn't case it somewhere before L40+

Ctrl-Alt-Del
Pancake
posted 05-23-2005 10:43:01 PM
quote:
Asha'man obviously shouldn't have said:
75 for scrappers, 90 for tankers... This puts my physical resists at 72% without Unstoppable... Not that it matters, only time I'll end up using Unstoppable is against shit that breaks toggles.

Defense-wise, there isn't much I can add. I wanted to take Stealth, but couldn't case it somewhere before L40+


Unless they changed it, hasten still needs 6 slots, and 6 slotted AM still gives a 5 second recharge.

75 for scrappers is right, but tankers have 95. There are 2 different defense caps, resistance, and actual defense. These are also the same for tankers and scrappers.

KaLourin
Illanae's Stooge!
posted 05-23-2005 10:52:50 PM
quote:
Delidgamond obviously shouldn't have said:
What is the /who command in this game?


/whoall is what you're looking for. Only works in the zone you're currently in.

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Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 05-24-2005 12:42:10 AM
never mind

Niklas fucked around with this message on 05-24-2005 at 12:46 AM.

Tier
posted 05-24-2005 01:26:57 AM
quote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del had this to say about Robocop:
Unless they changed it, hasten still needs 6 slots, and 6 slotted AM still gives a 5 second recharge.

75 for scrappers is right, but tankers have 95. There are 2 different defense caps, resistance, and actual defense. These are also the same for tankers and scrappers.


By themselves, yes. But both at once, AM and Hasten accelerate each other enough to make the 6th slot unnecessary.

Father McKenzie
Pancake
posted 05-24-2005 01:38:49 AM
Any place in the game for Dark Defenders? Always wanted to try one, but I know nothing about how their powers really work later on. Every defender seems to be Empathy or Force Field.
Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 05-24-2005 01:47:37 AM
Dark/Dark defenders are insanely popular at the higher levels. They have a wonderful pet, and incredible debuffs.

Any defender, properly played, can make an already good team nearly unstoppable. Don't buy into the hype that healing is the only thing that defenders are good for. I've been in groups that would have wiped if our defender was a healer instead of a buffer or debuffer.

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