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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Pirotess:
Twelve people attacking one man. Does he die? Nope. Pops a shield and runs off.I call that a fucking "IWIN" button.
If they allow him to run off, they're fucking idiots. He can't "run off". It means the twelve idiots allowed him to walk off willy nilly. If that's the case, the paladin deserves to live.
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Talonus's little brother wrote this stupid shit:
If they allow him to run off, they're fucking idiots. He can't "run off". It means the twelve idiots allowed him to walk off willy nilly. If that's the case, the paladin deserves to live.
Please explain to me how him being immune to everything while he runs away is us letting him "walk off willy nilly".
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Delphi Aegis said:
Please explain to me how him being immune to everything while he runs away is us letting him "walk off willy nilly".
Because Paladins don't become immune to everything.
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Batty wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Because Paladins don't become immune to everything.
Curse. Immune. Magic. Immune. Physical. Immune. Roots. Immune. Slows. Immune.
What am I missing again?
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Delphi Aegis said:
Curse. Immune. Magic. Immune. Physical. Immune. Roots. Immune. Slows. Immune.What am I missing again?
I guess you never fight Paladins when a Priest or Shaman is around.
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Fizodeth was naked while typing this:
Chasing after him until immune wears off.
Yes, that works quite well on the "newbie" PvPers, since they chase him into a hoard (No pun intended) of 50 alliance that just happen to be attacking TM that night.
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Batty obviously shouldn't have said:
I guess you never fight Paladins when a Priest or Shaman is around.
Shamans will be unable to purge players next patch, and our priests are (generally) too busy healing. Next time I have my felhunter out (re: Never), I'll be sure to see another immune on a pally shield.
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We were all impressed when Delphi Aegis wrote:
Yes, that works quite well on the "newbie" PvPers, since they chase him into a hoard (No pun intended) of 50 alliance that just happen to be attacking TM that night.
In other words, out of 50 people your 12 people are looking to kill a paladin? I'm not seeing how you're not an idiot?
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Delphi Aegis obviously shouldn't have said:
Please explain to me how him being immune to everything while he runs away is us letting him "walk off willy nilly".
Wow!
I did not know that a Paladin's shields roots his/her opponents!
Just chase the idiot who decided to run, if they are running it will just make it easier for you to kill them when the shield wears off. Worst case they stone and even then you have removed them from combat.
I guess if you really want to define "winning" as "not losing" then you both win.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about (_|_):
Shamans will be unable to purge players next patch, and our priests are (generally) too busy healing. Next time I have my felhunter out (re: Never), I'll be sure to see another immune on a pally shield.
And where did you hear this gem of an untruth? About Shamans being unable to purge other players?
I think it's more me sucking. ;p
Also, I hate shamans. FROST SHOCK FROST SHOCK FROST SHOCK AAAH I CAN'T SHOOT
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ACES! Another post by Talonus:
In other words, out of 50 people your 12 people are looking to kill a paladin? I'm not seeing how you're not an idiot?
At what point did you assume this was a 50 alliance vs 50 horde? 
Craaazy!
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From the book of Tyewa Dawnsister, chapter 3, verse 16:
Wow!I did not know that a Paladin's shields roots his/her opponents!
Just chase the idiot who decided to run, if they are running it will just make it easier for you to kill them when the shield wears off. Worst case they stone and even then you have removed them from combat.
I guess if you really want to define "winning" as "not losing" then you both win.
As I said, they run back into their seething mass of people. Except we don't have instant cast shielding buttons to save OUR asses.
If a lone paladin shields while alone, and runs.. yes, we chase, and he dies eventually. It's the fact that he can live longer then any other class. Period. THAT makes it frustrating.
And lenny.. Hunters are a pain. 
But maybe it's just because I'm a ranged caster and they're a ranged melee, so to speak. Auto/concussion/arcane/manasting sucks.
Maradon! fucked around with this message on 03-14-2005 at 02:57 PM.
Rogues are tough, although I can beat them- it just requires me being very careful and methodical with my slows, and having my pet wear him down.
Warriors are pretty easy, if they don't jump me. ;p
Shamans are tough too- they give me the most trouble (since I'm an alliance)- I'm wondering if viper sting would do any good, or if they have way too much mana for it to work.
I'm just wondering since I get owned dueling Paladins (although, obviously, that's not pure pvp)
I personally think Paladins are freaking fine, and that they have the same amount of random fixes/tweaks that every class needs. Anyone who spends time complaining about other classes is only justified if it's completely and utterly obvious- and it's not. Anything other than that, and you're spending WAY too much time complaining and not enough time doing other productive things. ;p
It's not something people hear about.
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Delphi Aegis spewed forth this undeniable truth:
It's the fact that he can live longer then any other class. Period. THAT makes it frustrating.
But this is balanced by the fact that kill at half the speed of most other classes.
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Maradon! enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
I think paladins DPS should be lowered to the point where they're only able to kill people in PVP as frequently as they die
Naw, they do die pretty often in PvP, but seeing their five paladins lead a feint attack with immune/consecrate while their twenty rogues stunlock anyone that wears something below leather is pretty frustrating, especially when there's nothing you can do about it.
However, seeing 10 horde route 30+ alliance with relative ease (And fight off southshore guardspawn) is a sight to see...
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How.... Addy.... uughhhhhh:
Paladins are lol in group pvp. So easy to kill.
I just shoot the priest, and then he goes "OH MAN THIS IS THE WORST PAIN EVER" and falls over from about sixty arrows.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Tron:
At what point did you assume this was a 50 alliance vs 50 horde?Craaazy!
Maybe you misunderstoof me. You have 12 people. They have 50 people. Out of 50 people you're looking to kill a paladin? Craaazy!
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Delphi Aegis's account was hax0red to write:
Naw, they do die pretty often in PvP, but seeing their five paladins lead a feint attack with immune/consecrate while their twenty rogues stunlock anyone that wears something below leather is pretty frustrating, especially when there's nothing you can do about it.
TACTICS!
It's not something people hear about.
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Lenlalron Flameblaster stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
I just shoot the priest, and then he goes "OH MAN THIS IS THE WORST PAIN EVER" and falls over from about sixty arrows.
Haha.
I've done some group PVP in the STV arena with some friends of mine (including one of, if not the best paladin on Elune imho), paladins are freaking helpless compared to other classes. I firmly believe the Horde likes to rag on paladins just so the attention is on that class, not shamans.
All PVP fights should be determined this way:
Both sides compare their numbers. Whichever side has less numbers is forced to sit down and be slaughtered until they die.
If it's a tie, whichever side has the lowest amount of levels should sit down and die.
If it's a tie on both fronts, GO RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR!
Cut out all the fighting, and get to the chase.
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We were all impressed when Talonus wrote:
Maybe you misunderstoof me. You have 12 people. They have 50 people. Out of 50 people you're looking to kill a paladin?
When he's the only one on our side of the no man's land, we're not going to let him beat on us without recourse.
Generally on AD, one or two pallies rush into the group of horde we've smacked together (Or had, since we got out of our raidrun for that night), we MAKE them sheild and run into their crowd.. then one or two people go around and fight and all that jiz-azz... then it takes about five people two minutes to say to each other on the alliance side that they'll charge, and hope the rest of the group follows them.. they do, the group follows, we slaughter (And take casualties), and corpse camp them back to southshore, trigger two or three mass-guard spawns, AE them, farm mageweave, retreat to tower (Since they're ALL standing by the windrider), hold out for ten minutes, make a mad dash and AE alliance as the rest of us retreat, leave tarren mill entirely, and laugh as they make posts the next day on the AD forums of "LOLO WE PWNED U IN TM NOOBS LOL U SUX ALLIANCE: 20209302 HORDE: 0!!! LOLOLO".
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Talonus stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Have you been taking bullshit lessons from Parce?
Except my stories actually happen.
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Delphi Aegis wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Except my stories actually happen.
I don't exactly see the point to your story, you're outnumbered 4-1, what do you expect, taken in a situation where you're in anything but a losing position the tactic you described would not be possible except possibly around very strong guards.
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Delphi Aegis spewed forth this undeniable truth:
and corpse camp them
That's just mean Caid '5 Fists' Berrit fucked around with this message on 03-14-2005 at 03:52 PM.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Addy had this to say about Tron:
In other news, I lol at druids now. Nice shoulders there, ma'am!
Wow..wings! I want ^.^
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Nobody really understood why Mod wrote:
I don't exactly see the point to your story, you're outnumbered 4-1, what do you expect, taken in a situation where you're in anything but a losing position the tactic you described would not be possible except possibly around very strong guards.
Actually, it's quite the opposite. Alliance on AD ONLY EVER FLAGS in response to an attack when they have 3:1 odds against us. Every time that horde has mounted a serious defense, we have been outnumbered and routed the opposition. Sometimes with ease, sometimes with difficulty.
Just as a point, we (Niveus Lepus) never use TM guards or the windrider to win our battles, we are almost ALWAYS outnumbered, and we hold the alliance (Outnumbered as we are) in southshore amongst massive guardspawn while when the alliance tries the same, they are obliterated.
My example was when we left the battle entirely (As in, the entire horde force), the alliance zergged the town, then proceeded to brag about it.
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Caid '5 Fists' Berrit had this to say about Pirotess:
That's just mean
On a PvP server.. yes. But acceptible (You can wait for them to get bored and leave.)
I'm on an RP server. Essentially a PvE server with added rules to /say.
I cannot corpse camp you for longer then 5 minutes. Period. If you wanted to live another day, you should not have rezzed near your body while still flagged.
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Addy thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
In other news, I lol at druids now. Nice shoulders there, ma'am!
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ACES! Another post by Delphi Aegis:
Curse. Immune. Magic. Immune. Physical. Immune. Roots. Immune. Slows. Immune.What am I missing again?
What are you smoking?
First, thier shields do not protect against Magic, at all. We've had this argument before where Willias tried to claim they were immune until he went and saw for himself. If youa are as high as you are, and PvP as much as you say you do, against Paladin's specifically and still dont know this, you shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. And your 12 people can't kill a Paladin senario, you are so full of shit, even speced to not be intterupted, using both shields in order to heal and run (Assuming you use one of your shields instead of Blessing of Freedom or Potion) there is no way a Paladin can stand up to the damage output of any 12 man group configuration. Second, you cant do anything BUT stand there, try to heal, or run while you have a shield on (With one exception). Lastly in order to be immune to roots/slows/snares you have to use Blessing of Freedom which, guess what, takes away one of our immunity shields, or use a potion. Which there are a craptacular amount of difrerent potions and such out there.
Shiels also have a nice duration but its not all THAT long, and you shouldn't have to chase them very far before it wears off. If 12 people can't keep a Paladin cornered, and wear down his mana reserve.. Well, then you all suck.
While overpowered or not, your arguments reek more of complete and total lack of skill than anything else.
And Lenny... Since you are Alliance, I assume you only duel Paladins, which always sucks anyway, but if you're going to do it Viper Sting is your best friend. Sting him till he's out of mana, and just keep moving until its gone, if he cleanses just go again since its instant. A Paldin really cant hurt you all that much in Melee as opposed to the other classes, the hard part is just keeping them away or they will slowly widdle you down. Same applies to Shamans.
Viper sting is almost entirely useless against most caster types just because of the sheer amount of mana they have. You are actually better off just Serpent stinging them and going all out on them to kill them fast rather than wasting a Viper Sting on them in a hopes to drain thier mana enough to stop casting on you. Because it wont happen. But against Paladins, and especially Shamans, Viper Kiting them completely screws them up. Just dont truely engage until your stings have drained em nearly dry. Then go all out.
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Faelynn LeAndris was listening to Cher while typing:
What are you smoking?First, thier shields do not protect against Magic, at all.
Wait, what?
STFU, fae. In two fucking minutes of scrolling through paladin abilities, I found a 110 mana INSTANT CAST SPELL that makes them immune to EVERYTHING IN THE FUCKING GAME (Including spells! ) for 12 seconds.
Five minutes is nothing when they have double our numbers to fall back on.
Edit: For the record, my issue is not that they HAVE the spell, or that it's ridiculously difficult to drain their five lifebars (omg hyperbole!), but the fact that Fae's saying they don't go immune to magic when they quite obviously do. Delphi Aegis fucked around with this message on 03-14-2005 at 04:42 PM.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Cuba:
Wait, what?STFU, fae. In two fucking minutes of scrolling through paladin abilities, I found a 110 mana INSTANT CAST SPELL that makes them immune to EVERYTHING IN THE FUCKING GAME (Including spells!
Five minutes is nothing when they have double our numbers to fall back on.
Edit: For the record, my issue is not that they HAVE the spell, or that it's ridiculously difficult to drain their five lifebars (omg hyperbole!), but the fact that Fae's saying they don't go immune to magic when they quite obviously do.
When they have double your number to fall back on they could just rush you with double your number and keep killing you untill they get bored. A situation in which the battle is already so massively lopsided is useless as a point of reference when discussing balance.
Rogues, however, are a problem. Guaranteed kills against casters are a problem. I know they're supposed to be anti-caster, but when you can kill a caster without any chance of reprisal, it goes beyond that. They have a good chance to take out mail classes (which are supposed to be anti-Rogue) with Stunlock (yes Mod, I know you think I must be wrong because I'm Parcelan, but it's happened to me).
