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Maradon! had this to say about pies:
No, not at all. Nobody should be protected from bashing. There's no such thing as a right to not be offended. However I, as an individual, have respect for the beliefs of people following culturally indoctrinated religions, because they've accepted their religion out of genuine faith and observation of how the universe works.I do not extend that respect to individuals following religions for social reasons. Some catholics are this way, yes, but for reasons I've posted before, it's clear that all self proclaimed Wiccans are.
Why do you place so much value on cultural indoctrination? You contradict yourself there, if you accept a belief through cultural indoctrination you have not accepted it because it is how you believe the universe works, not only that but cultural conformity is the social reason for picking a religion.
Observing how the universe works really does not logically lead to accepting a mainstream religion, an argument of some sort could be made about a general maker intelligence being a possible reason for how our universe works but there really is no way to conclude that the Bible is the literal word of God and Catholicism is the only form of worship he will accept just from 'observation of the universe', mainstream religions require just as large a leap of faith as neo-wiccia and other 'trendy' religions with maybe the exception of Scientology and similar cults which afaik does make some claims about the effects of devices they use that can actually be disproven.
By your logic early Christians would have been a bunch of posers raging against the Jupiter machine.
As for the Marxism comment, I don't see many western liberals out to nationalize all means of production, establish equal pay for everyone, abolish democracy or preaching that the legal system will become obsolete once class-based society has been done away with. Not all redistribution of wealth leads directly to Marxism, just like not all capitalism leads directly to corporate slavery.
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-Yuri- said this:
I'm not saying respect me, I'm saying respect the belief. You are shitting all over the whole fucking ideal that is 'God' and not giving a rats ass that over half the people in the WORLD believe that 'God' is their savior. That's just fucking disrespectful to the belief, not even the person.
This goes for Vorago as well. Post too old to edit my ass.
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-Yuri- wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I'm not saying respect me, I'm saying respect the belief. You are shitting all over the whole fucking ideal that is 'God' and not giving a rats ass that over half the people in the WORLD believe that 'God' is their savior. That's just fucking disrespectful to the belief, not even the person.
So let me get this straight.
I'm supposed to respect the concept of a giant, invisible creator that is all-good, all-benevolent, happens to coincide with a nasty tribal god from a couple thousand years ago, and will love and forgive everyone unless they say have sex outside of marriage or something.
And I'm supposed to do this because of:
A) Appeal to popularity.
B) What?
No thanks. I don't much like religion, and I don't see you standing up to defend the persecuted wiccans. People can believe absolutely anything they want in my book, but that doesn't in any way force me to respect or share those beliefs.
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We were all impressed when Mortious wrote:
I thought those were the guys who made Kendel Mint Cakes.... no, really.
You're an odd duck, you know that? 
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Maradon! had this to say about Cuba:
I have lots of Wiccan friends and because I want to remain friends with them, I do not discuss my views of their faith with them. This is not much different.
And I think that's pretty much the best way to do it.
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-Yuri- had this to say about John Romero:
This goes for Vorago as well. Post too old to edit my ass.
Since post edit is lol: OK, my religion is now based around the fact that my headphones are the creators of the universe. Should I be immune to belittlement for that ridiculous notion because it's my religion? If not, is the only difference how MANY people worship my headphones?
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Zaza said this:
So let me get this straight.I'm supposed to respect the concept of a giant, invisible creator that is all-good, all-benevolent, happens to coincide with a nasty tribal god from a couple thousand years ago, and will love and forgive everyone unless they say have sex outside of marriage or something.
And I'm supposed to do this because of:
A) Appeal to popularity.
B) What?
No thanks. I don't much like religion, and I don't see you standing up to defend the persecuted wiccans. People can believe absolutely anything they want in my book, but that doesn't in any way force me to respect or share those beliefs.
The point is you aren't even fucking educated on what the God stands for anyways. The statement 'will love and forgive everyone unless they say have sex outside of marriage or something' proves that undeniably. That whole statement shows pure ignorance on what 'God' even is. Get some fucking education on the matter then come back and bash the being. Don't come here as an uneducated fuck and say that my 'higher being' is a 'pretty petty fuck' when I have never said anything about whatever the fuck you believe in, if you believe in anything at all. It's just common fucking deceny. I don't know if they have that in Sweden but they sure the hell have it here in the United States.
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This one time, at Zaza camp:
Since post edit is lol: OK, my religion is now based around the fact that my headphones are the creators of the universe. Should I be immune to belittlement for that ridiculous notion because it's my religion? If not, is the only difference how MANY people worship my headphones?
Honestly, if you believed that I wouldn't bash you for it. I don't see why you see the need to belittle other people's belief just because you think they're ridiculous notions.
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Bloodsage Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Quit being a hypersensitive prick. I vote 1.
The general consensus in the thread, even from the non-Christians, seems to be that the joke went too far and stepped over the line into being distasteful and hurtful. Even Pvednes apologized for the comment. (Thank for Pvednes for that.) If the one who made the joke thinks it was hurtful, how is Parce a hypersensitive prick? You seem to be the insensitive prick here.
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-Yuri- had this to say about Captain Planet:
The point is you aren't even fucking educated on what the God stands for anyways. The statement 'will love and forgive everyone unless they say have sex outside of marriage or something' proves that undeniably. That whole statement shows pure ignorance on what 'God' even is. Get some fucking education on the matter then come back and bash the being. Don't come here as an uneducated fuck and say that my 'higher being' is a 'pretty petty fuck' when I have never said anything about whatever the fuck you believe in, if you believe in anything at all. It's just common fucking deceny. I don't know if they have that in Sweden but they sure the hell have it here in the United States.
Calm down Yuri. Calling him an uneducated fuck isn't going to help.
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Everyone wondered WTF when -Yuri- wrote:
The point is you aren't even fucking educated on what the God stands for anyways. The statement 'will love and forgive everyone unless they say have sex outside of marriage or something' proves that undeniably. That whole statement shows pure ignorance on what 'God' even is. Get some fucking education on the matter then come back and bash the being. Don't come here as an uneducated fuck and say that my 'higher being' is a 'pretty petty fuck' when I have never said anything about whatever the fuck you believe in, if you believe in anything at all. It's just common fucking deceny. I don't know if they have that in Sweden but they sure the hell have it here in the United States.
I see you yelling a lot about education but not really saying anything substantial at all. So in order to better my low education, a quiz!
God is quoted multiple times in the bible as a perfect being.
A) Yes
B) No
God is said to be all-good according to the bible.
A) Yes
B) No
Love is better than hate according to the bible.
A) Yes
B) No
Jealousy is bad according to the bible.
A) Yes
B) No
"God is a jealous god"
A) Yes
B) No
God condemns sinners to hell.
A) Yes
B) No
Adultery is a sin.
A) Yes
B) No
Essentially, I'm guessing that you're railing at me because I don't ignore the same sections of the bible that you do to mold to your specific faith. My sincere apologies.
Not.
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Alek said this:
Calm down Yuri. Calling him an uneducated fuck isn't going to help.
It's the Internet Crusades! I AM KING DENNIS THE FIRST!
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We were all impressed when -Yuri- wrote:
The point is you aren't even fucking educated on what the God stands for anyways. The statement 'will love and forgive everyone unless they say have sex outside of marriage or something' proves that undeniably. That whole statement shows pure ignorance on what 'God' even is. Get some fucking education on the matter then come back and bash the being. Don't come here as an uneducated fuck and say that my 'higher being' is a 'pretty petty fuck' when I have never said anything about whatever the fuck you believe in, if you believe in anything at all. It's just common fucking deceny. I don't know if they have that in Sweden but they sure the hell have it here in the United States.
GREAT JOB POST MORE
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-Yuri- had this to say about Knight Rider:
It's just common fucking deceny. I don't know if they have that in Sweden but they sure the hell have it here in the United States.
Wait, what?
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Verily, Alek doth proclaim:
Honestly, if you believed that I wouldn't bash you for it. I don't see why you see the need to belittle other people's belief just because you think they're ridiculous notions.
The thing is, I generally don't. I don't go around going "christnianiaty is dumb HAHA LOL" and keep my opinions to myself unless they're challenged into the open like this, but when a bunch of christians go on a "we're so persecuted spree" because of a harmless joke then I'm forced to bring up the reality that you have to practice what you preach.
If christians want to be immune from all jokes on their behalf in the future I expect to be able to post about how my headphones interpret every topic without EVER getting so much as a single snicker towards me. Zaza fucked around with this message on 01-26-2005 at 12:55 PM.
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Zaza said this:
The thing is, I generally don't. I don't go around going "christnianiaty is dumb HAHA LOL" and keep my opinions to myself unless they're challenged into the open like this, but when a bunch of christians go on a "we're so persecuted spree" because of a harmless joke then I'm forced to bring up the reality that you have to practice what you preach.
You came into this thread and said that the God of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is a 'pretty petty fuck'. I see that as your 'go around going "christnianiaty is dumb HAHA LOL"'.
You saying it was a 'harmless joke' is also bullshit because, if people were offended, or say, harmed by it, then guess what, it was harmful.
And what the fuck is the practice what you preach shit? I have never seen a Christian on these boards flame anyone for believing in anything. Go worship your headphones in peace, I have no problem with it.
PS: I'm not answering the quiz because I have class in 10. I will answer it for you later if you would like me to 
This goes both ways, however, and a lot of Christians need to remember this when they start bringing out stuff from Leviticus to support their cases.
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Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
Quit being a hypersensitive prick. I vote 1.
The time when a person's character was judged by whether or not they agreed with you has long since passed, bud.
It was something that pushed the entire "joke" (though sometimes I questioned whether it was a joke or not) too far and caused a lot of us who didn't appreciate being insulted based on what believed to speak up.
So I'll say what I want about it. You're not going to tell me what to do. Mr. Parcelan fucked around with this message on 01-26-2005 at 01:04 PM.
I don't know about America, but most places have this freedom of speech thing.
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-Yuri- was listening to Cher while typing:
You came into this thread and said that the God of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is a 'pretty petty fuck'. I see that as your 'go around going "christnianiaty is dumb HAHA LOL"'.You saying it was a 'harmless joke' is also bullshit because, if people were offended, or say, harmed by it, then guess what, it was harmful.
And what the fuck is the practice what you preach shit? I have never seen a Christian on these boards flame anyone for believing in anything. Go worship your headphones in peace, I have no problem with it.
PS: I'm not answering the quiz because I have class in 10. I will answer it for you later if you would like me to
Context, boy, context. I was applying the very worst instances of christianity to reply to Maradon's "all wiccans are populists"
Since you've never seen any christians bash other religions, here's a quote from the thread originator:
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Well look at all this wiccan persecution: Please note, if you are Wiccan/I Believe In Mother Earth/EARTH, WIND AND FIRE, LEND ME STRENGTH or something else like that, you can abstain from saying so, as Wiccan/Crap isn't actually a religion.
I know you're all angry and indignant and all, and that's great, but are you suggesting that jokes should only be acceptable if noone if offended by them? Because then I suggest you find a different forum. Also the semantics game is fun, but the harm is self-induced in this case. There was no malicious intent.
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So quoth Mod:
Why do you place so much value on cultural indoctrination? You contradict yourself there, if you accept a belief through cultural indoctrination you have not accepted it because it is how you believe the universe works, not only that but cultural conformity is the social reason for picking a religion.
You're confusing what I'm saying.
I place value on belief in a religion because it was created by the culture that a person is a part of. I place no value on belief in a religion because it is part of a social fashion trend. I know that all wiccans believe their faith because it is a part of a social fashion trend because there is no other excuse for resurrecting a long dead faith when the cultural stimulii for it are long gone.
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Observing how the universe works really does not logically lead to accepting a mainstream religion
Certainly not, but I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone would just suddenly realize that a centuries-dead faith was the one true way.
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By your logic early Christians would have been a bunch of posers raging against the Jupiter machine.
Early christians adopted their faith out of the culture they were a part of.
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As for the Marxism comment, I don't see many western liberals out to nationalize all means of production, establish equal pay for everyone, abolish democracy or preaching that the legal system will become obsolete once class-based society has been done away with.
Then you aren't looking at the right people. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 01-26-2005 at 01:08 PM.
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Talonus had this to say about Tron:
You seem to be the insensitive prick here.
So much for an open casket funeral.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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Lashanna probably should have googled this:
And to be fair, Za, you can't use a lot of the Old Testament in compatability with the New Testament. There are a number of instances where Jesus directly says, "Okay, this is the way things were. This is how they are now. Things have changed." So you can't really take the Bible as a whole, at all times.This goes both ways, however, and a lot of Christians need to remember this when they start bringing out stuff from Leviticus to support their cases.
I know. I should probably backpedal a bit and explain myself here. There is a lot of different brands of christianity, and different people ignore different things in the two texts. All in all, it's a big mess.
Similarily, there are obviously wiccans who sincerely believe, and then there's the "magick" teens.
Now if we're not allowed to draw all the people in one with the same brush, then we're not allowed to draw all the people in the other too, right?
That was my point in its entirety, Yuri, which I why I replied what I did to Maradon. I have no personal respect for any beliefs because I am a bloody atheist. You're allowed to believe it if you want, but to me, your belief in God is no different than someone's else belief that Moo the Space Penguin watches over him at night. Zaza fucked around with this message on 01-26-2005 at 01:09 PM.
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Zaza had this to say about dark elf butts:
You're allowed to believe it if you want, but to me, your belief in God is no different than someone's else belief that Moo the Space Penguin watches over him at night.
Ahh Moo the Space Penguin... Mortal enemy of Boo the Giant Space Hamster! Go for the eyes, Boo! Squeek, squeeeekkkk!
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Lashanna had this to say about Knight Rider:
I believe in a dual pantheon consisting of Moo the Space Penguin and Banjo.
I FOLD!
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
Either belief is kinda retarded.
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This one time, at Lashanna camp:
I believe in a dual pantheon consisting of Moo the Space Penguin and Banjo.
Gasp! How could I forget the greatest deity of all...Banjo the Clown! All hail Banjo!
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about (_|_):
You're not going to tell me what to do.
YOU HEAR ME, OLD MAN!?!
*shakes his fist angerly*
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Jens had this to say about Pirotess:
I still don't understand why it's OK for people to bash someone who believes in UFOs but IT'S DEFINITELY WAY OUT OF LINE IF YOU BASH JESUS OR THE FOLLOWERS OF HIS TRUE FAITH OK AAAAAAAAHEither belief is kinda retarded.
See, Christianity is really old. The value of a religion is directly related to how old it is. That's why people throughout history have hated on the jews so much, they're #1. Kinda like how America is treated today.
Every time there's a flurry of conversation, one of the mods overreacts, jumps the gun and locks the thread.
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Maradon! probably should have googled this:
I hope this thread isn't locked.Every time there's a flurry of conversation, one of the mods overreacts, jumps the gun and locks the thread.
Locked for mod sass.
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Verily, -Yuri- doth proclaim:
This goes for Vorago as well. Post too old to edit my ass.
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in Jesus?
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in Allah
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in the alien mothership coming down and flying you off to the planet Blisstopia?
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in evolution
None of those matter, all that matters if whatever you chose to believe in helps you get through the day and ultimately helps make you a better person. If a person is a good person what difference does it make what they believe in, why should I respect the vague ideal they may to subscribe to instead of themselves, their actions. That ideal didn't make them who they are, it may have given them some guidelines, but ultimately it was the individual that chose to make themselves that person.
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There was much rejoicing when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said this:
So much for an open casket funeral.
*shrugs* He pulled out the name-calling card.
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Katrinity thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Ahh Moo the Space Penguin... Mortal enemy of Boo the Giant Space Hamster! Go for the eyes, Boo! Squeek, squeeeekkkk!
Boo the Miniature Giant Space Hamster is the actual name I think.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Alek said:
Boo the Miniature Giant Space Hamster is the actual name I think.
Another evil doer to smite, Boo! <points at Alek> For Great Justice!
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Vorago obviously shouldn't have said:
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in Jesus?
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in Allah
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in the alien mothership coming down and flying you off to the planet Blisstopia?
Why should I give a rats ass that you believe in evolutionNone of those matter, all that matters if whatever you chose to believe in helps you get through the day and ultimately helps make you a better person. If a person is a good person what difference does it make what they believe in, why should I respect the vague ideal they may to subscribe to instead of themselves, their actions. That ideal didn't make them who they are, it may have given them some guidelines, but ultimately it was the individual that chose to make themselves that person.
Even if you don't respect them, I don't think the beliefs should be attacked. If a person uses Leviticus to defend why gay marriage should be banned, then for goodness sakes take it out on the person not the religion.
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Katrinity had this to say about Captain Planet:
Another evil doer to smite, Boo! <points at Alek> For Great Justice!
No love from Katrinity.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Alek was all like:
No love from Katrinity.
When I say Smite, I mean 
^.^
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There was much rejoicing when Katrinity said this:
When I say Smite, I mean^.^
