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Topic: Battlegrounds - Part 1
Blackened
posted 12-22-2004 09:24:12 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Delphi Aegis said this:
My pet has 3500 ac.
Well your pet doesn't wear plate.

Nor does he have a PURPLE ITEM

Note that this picture is 2 levels, three 12 slots, three blue items and one new green item(boots) old.

edit - and +60g for a mount

Blackened fucked around with this message on 12-22-2004 at 09:24 PM.


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Addy
posted 12-22-2004 09:24:15 PM
lol @ helm
Aaron (the good one)
posted 12-22-2004 09:35:17 PM
quote:
Blackened stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Well your pet doesn't wear plate.

Nor does he have a PURPLE ITEM


lol duration 52 minutes

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Blackened
posted 12-22-2004 09:39:30 PM
quote:
Delidgamond stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
lol duration 52 minutes
Used to be so much better

Used to give +10 to smithing skill and the timer on the trinket wasn't THREE HOURS.

but it's purple, so I win


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 12-22-2004 09:59:43 PM
I want the carrot on a stick trinket.
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-23-2004 12:14:04 AM
Yeah, well I want engineering items to be usable from inventory :-/

Having only 2 trinket slots as an engineer is insane.

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Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-23-2004 02:08:10 AM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about Optimus Prime:
The undead give you quests to kill small dogs

What quest are you talking about? I'm level 24 and I haven't seen a single dog so far.

And that killing humans part is called self defense. Scarlet crusaders, anyone?

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 12-23-2004 02:12:16 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Tarquinn was all like:
What quest are you talking about? I'm level 24 and I haven't seen a single dog so far.

And that killing humans part is called self defense. Scarlet crusaders, anyone?


In Hillsbrad, you poison the farmer's dog. It made me sad

Tegadil fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 02:13 AM.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-23-2004 02:20:36 AM
quote:
Tegadil enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
In Hillsbrad, you poison the farmer's dog. It made me sad

Ah, guess I'm about to do it then.

I really enjoy the "a new plague" line of quests. I just wonder what the conclusion will be?

Surely it won't be:


Undead win!

Fatality!

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Taeldian
Pancake
posted 12-23-2004 04:58:12 AM
I can hunt in Ashenvale all night and kill any alliance member I see who is four levels higher than me or less (As long as they're not in a gank squad). I've killed alliance warriors (I'm a warrior) 5 levels higher than me solo. I don't see enough paladins in ashenvale to really say much about them. All the ones I see are a lot lower or a lot higher level than me so they're never even fights.

When I fight people within the horde I have a lot harder time. Priests, which I'm used to ripping into pieces, own me, hunters actually do decently against me (And even sometimes win!), etc.

This shows an overall trend of Horde > Alliance from what I've seen. Obviously this won't include every member of the alliance there is. I got killed by a druid only 3 levels higher than me last night when I've killed druids 7 levels higher than me before. Overall, though, most alliance I run in to are pushovers. I can't say the same thing about the people from the horde that I fight.

This also probably won't be true on all servers and is limited to my own personal experiences.

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 12-23-2004 05:06:48 AM
Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a way for me, as a warrior, to kill a druid who isn't stupid enough to run in and melee me?

I charged a druid last night and got instarooted by that obscenely powerful talent that roots anyone who attacks them and the druid ran off. I waited for the root to wear off and ran after her but didn't see her, then got hit from behind because she was a damned dirty shadowmelding Night Elf.

So I ran behind a tree to let my "in combat" status wear off so I could charge her again, charged and got instarooted again by that same obscenely powerful talent. The druid then backs up, roots me again with the no-cooldown 1.5 sec cast root then proceeds to pound me with her no cooldown instant-cast nuke (Anyone else see a problem with that?) until root is about to break then she roots me again with her no cooldown root and finishes me off with her 100 DPS instant cast no-cooldown nuke.

I have no idea how to even begin to fight against that.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-23-2004 05:10:49 AM
Beserker Stance. Intercept.

Use it to chase down Runners.

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 12-23-2004 05:19:11 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Mr. Parcelan wrote:
Beserker Stance. Intercept.

Use it to chase down Runners.


Can I use it while rooted?

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-23-2004 05:28:27 AM
Dunno, you'll have to try.

Perhaps, when they do this, you should channel some silk bandages on yourself and use those nifty greater health potions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this instant cast nuke isnt very mana efficient? If it does 100 damage per cast and you have, say, 1500 HP, a single 640 or whatever a heavy silk bandage is is going to be amazing. Heavy mageweave does 1140.

The instant cast still has the 1 second cooldown that all spells do, so it barely beats the heavy silk bandage, and loses to the heavy mageweave bandage.

Invest in your gun skill, find an engineer to make you a nice gun and some nice bullets.

Is there a warrior equivilance to the paladin blessing of freedom?

edit: bandages heal over an 8 second period.

Elvish Crack Piper fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 05:29 AM.

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Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 12-23-2004 05:31:13 AM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Pirotess:
Dunno, you'll have to try.

Perhaps, when they do this, you should channel some silk bandages on yourself and use those nifty greater health potions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this instant cast nuke isnt very mana efficient? If it does 100 damage per cast and you have, say, 1500 HP, a single 640 or whatever a heavy silk bandage is is going to be amazing. Heavy mageweave does 1140.

The instant cast still has the 1 second cooldown that all spells do, so it barely beats the heavy silk bandage, and loses to the heavy mageweave bandage.

Invest in your gun skill, find an engineer to make you a nice gun and some nice bullets.

Is there a warrior equivilance to the paladin blessing of freedom?

edit: bandages heal over an 8 second period.


Being hit with the spell will interrupt the chanelling, as far as I know.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-23-2004 05:34:15 AM
Well, scratch that.

Making them channel really does fuck warriors :-/

Potions should still work, and if you can find some rings of nature resistance should reduce the damage by a good amount.

When I turn on my +30 resist aura, the damage from NPC spells goes from 180 or so to 120 or so, so perhaps just quaff a health potion and have a little resistance to outlast the mana they have.

Again, gun skill, at least you can do damage a bit.

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Taeldian
Pancake
posted 12-23-2004 05:39:38 AM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Dunno, you'll have to try.

Perhaps, when they do this, you should channel some silk bandages on yourself and use those nifty greater health potions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this instant cast nuke isnt very mana efficient? If it does 100 damage per cast and you have, say, 1500 HP, a single 640 or whatever a heavy silk bandage is is going to be amazing. Heavy mageweave does 1140.

The instant cast still has the 1 second cooldown that all spells do, so it barely beats the heavy silk bandage, and loses to the heavy mageweave bandage.

Invest in your gun skill, find an engineer to make you a nice gun and some nice bullets.

Is there a warrior equivilance to the paladin blessing of freedom?

edit: bandages heal over an 8 second period.


The bandage's channeling will get screwed up by the chain-casting nukes. A gun isn't going to do enough damage to do anything for me when I've got 10 seconds to live. No, there's no warrior equivalent to anyone's abilities, much less something as useful as that.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-23-2004 05:41:11 AM
No a gun isnt going to be equal to the damage, but you need to do something.

Any kind of "potion of free action" available through alchemy?

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Taeldian
Pancake
posted 12-23-2004 05:43:51 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Elvish Crack Piper wrote:
No a gun isnt going to be equal to the damage, but you need to do something.

Any kind of "potion of free action" available through alchemy?


I've got a gun already. It doesn't make a difference because I will always die first. 100% of the time. After that the druid will heal to full and I just wasted some ammo.

Possibly. I'd like to be able to kill them without spending money on something that doesn't give me any rewards, though.

Willias
Pancake
posted 12-23-2004 06:26:58 AM
quote:
Taeldian wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I've got a gun already. It doesn't make a difference because I will always die first. 100% of the time. After that the druid will heal to full and I just wasted some ammo.

Possibly. I'd like to be able to kill them without spending money on something that doesn't give me any rewards, though.


The druid root thing is the druid "popular pvp tactic" right now. No real way to fight against it unless you are a caster type of some sort. (I had a druid try it on my shaman. Bastard got fried with lightning bolts.)

Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-23-2004 06:33:12 AM
Guns will never make a difference in PvP unless you're a Hunter.
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 12-23-2004 07:17:08 AM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
No a gun isnt going to be equal to the damage, but you need to do something.

Any kind of "potion of free action" available through alchemy?


http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=6485

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-23-2004 08:35:31 AM
K then.

Buy those potions.

Kick the druids ass.

Potions make many PvP fights easier, ever see someone die when they have a "ignore next 2000 of this damage type" up.

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Talonus
Loner
posted 12-23-2004 10:33:25 AM
Also, go engineering and get a net-o-matic. Make it impossible for him to run from you.

Talonus fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 10:34 AM.

Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 12-23-2004 10:47:36 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Talonus:
Also, go engineering and get a net-o-matic. Make it impossible for him to run from you.

Unless you're near water, then it's Sea Lion time! ^.^

Cookie Goddess Supreme
Furry Kitsune of Power!
Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-23-2004 03:39:06 PM
You can't root a Druid. They break roots every time they change form.
Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 12-23-2004 03:48:27 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
You can't root a Druid. They break roots every time they change form.

Yep.

my Druid. We may be not as good at each of our jobs like the other classes, but we can do alittle bit of everything.

Cookie Goddess Supreme
Furry Kitsune of Power!
Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
Talonus
Loner
posted 12-23-2004 04:07:57 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan said this about your mom:
You can't root a Druid. They break roots every time they change form.

True, but once you get the first root off you can lock him down. Oh wait, warrior. Woopsy.

Blackened
posted 12-23-2004 06:28:38 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Guns will never make a difference in PvP unless you're a Hunter.
Wrong.

Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-23-2004 07:33:08 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Blackened said:
Wrong.

9 times out of 10, the gun shot will be deflected, missed, dodged, whatever. When it hits, you can do about 40 damage.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-23-2004 08:41:42 PM
What?

You get a 9 times out of 10 if you havent trained you skill up.

You only do 40 damage if you got shitty bullets.

With just the stuff I have available to me at 244 engineering I can get a gun that does 35 DPS (not that I can use it, doh) so it hits for something like 70 or 105, I forget the speed.

Take into account the druids armor reduction of, lets call it 20%, and thats still 56 or 84 damage, and while that isnt amazing, it IS better than nothing, especially if you managed to get the druid quite low in your charge + damage damage damage bit.

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Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-24-2004 04:23:50 AM
Charge lasts less than a second. You have enough time for a damage.

If you attempt a Mortal Strike, you lose all your Rage.

You don't have enough time to pull off a Heroic Strike or Cleave or anything worthwhile.

You can Hamstring, but once the Druid shapeshifts, he breaks it.

Trust me on this one.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-24-2004 06:52:58 AM
less than a second?

Dang. I remember when it was a 4 second stun.

Does shapeshifting remove all status effects from ya?

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Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 12-24-2004 01:59:20 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Charge lasts less than a second. You have enough time for a damage.

If you attempt a Mortal Strike, you lose all your Rage.

You don't have enough time to pull off a Heroic Strike or Cleave or anything worthwhile.

You can Hamstring, but once the Druid shapeshifts, he breaks it.

Trust me on this one.


Unless rage is generated differently in PvP, I'll have 18 rage as soon as I charge, which I think is a fair chunk to do stuff with.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-24-2004 04:08:42 PM
Hey, ya can add a rage potion if you want to really combo it up to cant ya?

How many instant use damage/control abilities does a warrior get these days?

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Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 12-24-2004 05:47:39 PM
Cleave and Heroic Strike both go on your next melee attack, while Overpower, Revenge, and Execute are instantaneous, although they're pretty specialised. That's all I've got so far.

What do you mean by control abilities?

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-24-2004 06:58:57 PM
Stuns/Dazes

Casting Disruptions.

Movement Dehabilitation.

That kind of thing.

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Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 12-24-2004 07:14:01 PM
The only stun I know of is Charge, or Revenge/Maces with the correct talents. The only casting disruption move I have is Shield Bash, with a cooldown of about 12 seconds and it prevents casting from the interrupted school for 6. Hamstring and Piercing Howl are the two movement restriction moves.

There's a couple of other utility moves, consisting of Sunder Armor (can be stacked 5 times for massive -AC), Disarm, Bloodrage (10 rage instantly, 10 over 10 seconds), Intimidating Shout (fear, kind of), Demoralizing Shout or Battle Shout (-attack and +attack respectively), and Thunderclap (lower enemy attack speed).

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 12-25-2004 01:11:13 AM
ECP, use Thottbot for a full listing of abilities and talents. I'm level 25. Go nuts.
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-25-2004 02:06:45 AM
As someone said, it really isnt fair to compare classes at less than level 60.

Still, hmm.

Do mocking blow force PCs to target you? IT doesnt generate rage it says it forces a target.

Also, charge is really bad now, change it back to 4 seconds :-/ The amount of damage I can do in the 4 seconds my hammer of justice does is sick, warriors only getting 1 is weak.

Shield wall looks nice, the syndacite in alterac chain cast it, and it has to be the single most annoying spell in the game for me so far.

Your extra attacks are circumstancial, and you dont have much to get around run away real fast cept hamstring.

Damn.

Level 60 extra attack only does weapon damage +50

What?

Level 60 overpower does weapon damage +35?

What?

I never really looked at warriors to closely(lately at least, last time I played one seriouslly was... phase 2, and we rocked) , but yeah, it looks gimpy.

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