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Topic: EQ2 vs. WoW
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-18-2004 02:01:47 PM
I take it, then, that the collector's edition token turn-in will be an "item that starts a quest" that gives little to no xp (Since I would assume all your characters start with it, and the item is soulbound, so no giving them out) and allows you to choose one of the three, and functions similar to the mechanical squirrel (Summons with a use, has a recharge timer, etc.)?
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 11-18-2004 07:34:47 PM
Meh.. I'd like to make things larger and smaller in the EQII UI. Most notably small hotbar icons and a larger health bar for myself. (Health bar is tinytiny in 16x12) But other then that the UI is fine.
Addy
posted 11-18-2004 08:25:22 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Pesco said:
Meh.. I'd like to make things larger and smaller in the EQII UI. Most notably small hotbar icons and a larger health bar for myself. (Health bar is tinytiny in 16x12) But other then that the UI is fine.

Keep an eye on http://www.eq2interface.com/.

Tier
posted 11-19-2004 01:47:53 AM
quote:
Rodent King stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
My point is that Sony's got more experience with online games, knows what to expect, and is right on track. They even bumped up their release date right? Blizzard seems like it's starting to struggle already to keep their with their target dates. (Then again, when has Blizzard ever been punctual on release dates?)

With the few unmentioned facts that while Sony has more experience, all the experience in the world still doesn't make them release completed games at launch, nor do they have any form of decent customer service. I havent' played it to tell, but it sounds like EQ2, thankfully, is better on both aspects.

On the other hand, whine all you want that Blizzard delays their games, they do it for a good reason, as the finished product is very much as good as it can get. I'd rather have late WoW than buggy/sucky WoW. Plus, their customer service actually answers petitions.

And this is their first take at a MMORPG, too, just goes to say they don't need "experience" to make a game that doesn't suck. =)

opinion disclaimer. I'm not a blizzard fanboi, or at least, I wasn't until I played WoW.

Jania Arindelil
Is really cute and cuddly... just needs a hug
posted 11-19-2004 08:29:12 AM
EQII is very much complete from what I can tell. The most problem I have had was one night where I couldn't zone out of North Qeynos on Najena, which was load more than anything.

Jania Arindelil
Dragon Guardian, Grandmaster Archer
Very Cranky Person
"I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career." - Darwin Mayflower
Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 11-19-2004 11:43:12 AM
quote:
Jania Arindelil had this to say about Duck Tales:
EQII is very much complete from what I can tell. The most problem I have had was one night where I couldn't zone out of North Qeynos on Najena, which was load more than anything.

The only glaring issue I have is the absurd inconsistancy in framerate I get sometimes. Maybe it's just my box or preference to have neat-looking visuals, but sometimes I'll get a smooth 30fps, sometimes it'll be more jittery. That's really my only beef. On the majority it plays smooth enough for me to enjoy it tons.

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 11-19-2004 03:29:57 PM
I will be waiting about a month after release to play WoW, despite loving it. The reason being is that with Blizzard's popularity, I absolutely refuse to believe that they can have a stable launch.
Tier
posted 11-19-2004 06:50:18 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Sakkra wrote:
I will be waiting about a month after release to play WoW, despite loving it. The reason being is that with Blizzard's popularity, I absolutely refuse to believe that they can have a stable launch.

Eh, if they have a stable open beta with (allegedly) 500,000 subscribers, I don't see why they wouldn't have a stable launch.

And if it lags, I'll live with it. I'm such an addict

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-20-2004 07:14:47 PM
Blizzard will have less people on the first couple weeks than in open beta (free = poor 13 years get to play)

It should be uber.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-20-2004 09:00:55 PM
We were doing the Ragefire caverns instance (Really cool looking place, btw) when the rogue that was 14 (The rest of us were 20 or so) got a decent dagger drop.. He promptly equipped it when another dropped.. he asked to have that because it was better, then got angry when we made him roll.. since it was his instance we were doing.

Thankfully, Me and a tauren hunter managed to finish off my stupid quests in there.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-20-2004 09:34:08 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Duck Tales:
We were doing the Ragefire caverns instance (Really cool looking place, btw) when the rogue that was 14 (The rest of us were 20 or so) got a decent dagger drop.. He promptly equipped it when another dropped.. he asked to have that because it was better, then got angry when we made him roll.. since it was his instance we were doing.

Thankfully, Me and a tauren hunter managed to finish off my stupid quests in there.


Tough call. As a Rogue, a dagger is of more use to him than to anyon else. But you don't want him to win too much and get greedy.

Did someone else want the dagger or were you making him roll for rolling's sake?

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-20-2004 10:59:57 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Tough call. As a Rogue, a dagger is of more use to him than to anyon else. But you don't want him to win too much and get greedy.

Did someone else want the dagger or were you making him roll for rolling's sake?


It was pretty high for his level, and it was at the very start of the dungeon. I essentially feared that he would quit out after getting some loot or something, leaving us high and dry.. and he did. The hunter and I had some VERY close calls further in (Thank god for tradeable healthstones), plus I felt like being a mean lil' bitch.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-20-2004 11:17:49 PM
Don't be a cunt.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-21-2004 12:26:07 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan attempted to be funny by writing:
Don't be a cunt.

Was the day of the wipe anyway.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-21-2004 09:19:03 AM
One of the things I especially like about EQ2 (dunno if WoW has it; I gather it does) is that you can get some pretty nice quests, even as lowbies, from items. You don't have to go talk to someone to trigger the quest. You kill something, a chest appears, you crack it open, gag on the boobytrap (I'm bad about letting Lyinar's scout disarm the trap), then loot an item that gives you a quest when you examine it.

If there wasn't that little bit of magic there, you'd end up hailing every...single...person...in a town. It would get tedious.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 11-21-2004 10:58:40 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote:
One of the things I especially like about EQ2 (dunno if WoW has it; I gather it does) is that you can get some pretty nice quests, even as lowbies, from items. You don't have to go talk to someone to trigger the quest. You kill something, a chest appears, you crack it open, gag on the boobytrap (I'm bad about letting Lyinar's scout disarm the trap), then loot an item that gives you a quest when you examine it.

If there wasn't that little bit of magic there, you'd end up hailing every...single...person...in a town. It would get tedious.


Yeah, but that's how I found some of those sweet quests


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-21-2004 11:29:23 AM
There's one quest in Silverpine (Specifically, a castlething with lots of rot hide gnoll bastards) that has a random drop (As long as you haven't completed the quest) of a head.. a talking head.

You find his body, then a little alcove in the castle itself, and eventually return an item to a guy in undercity for a nice wand.

There's also another item I found that drops of Gazz'uz in a cave near Orgrimmar.. heh.

Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 11-21-2004 11:52:38 AM
I found an item in WoW, called WestFall Deed, that said "This item starts a quest". I never figured out what to do with it.

But I assume it was an item I could take to someone somewhere and it would begin a quest for me, just no idea as thier was no indication who it belonged to or where I was supposed to take it.


My LAUNCHCast Station
"Respect the Forest, Fear the Ranger"
I got lost for an hour and became god.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-21-2004 12:15:55 PM
quote:
Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I found an item in WoW, called WestFall Deed, that said "This item starts a quest". I never figured out what to do with it.

But I assume it was an item I could take to someone somewhere and it would begin a quest for me, just no idea as thier was no indication who it belonged to or where I was supposed to take it.


Any item that says "This item begins a quest" is useable (rightclick it) and it opens the quest giver window (The one that scrolls the text).

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 11-21-2004 01:29:11 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael spewed forth this undeniable truth:
gag on the boobytrap

I love the "Let's mez the entire group!" boobytrap.
Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 11-21-2004 01:50:46 PM
quote:
Alidane had this to say about Pirotess:
I love the "Let's mez the entire group!" boobytrap.

Especially when underwater.

Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 11-21-2004 03:58:56 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Any item that says "This item begins a quest" is useable (rightclick it) and it opens the quest giver window (The one that scrolls the text).

Doh!


My LAUNCHCast Station
"Respect the Forest, Fear the Ranger"
I got lost for an hour and became god.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-21-2004 04:05:54 PM
quote:
Faelynn LeAndris's fortune cookie read:
Doh!

Don't feel bad. I had the head and the small red gem from Gazz'uz for a while before I figured it out.

Alaan
posted 11-21-2004 04:50:43 PM
I know I found some letter that never got sent in the Undead lands. Had to deliver it to the now Forsaken recipient.
Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 11-21-2004 05:16:53 PM
Most WoW quest-started items I found were from named mobs that required you to deliver them somewhere to give you a lil bit of money and some additional exp. Wasn't too bad. There's a few here and there, like people mentioned, that are a bit more extensive.

There seem to be a whole lot more that I've noticed in EQ2, and their variety is a bit increased as well. There seem to be several types of dropped quests, whether they're mob-dropped or world-dropped.

- Revenge
You find something that inspires you to mass-slaughter a bunch of a certain type of mob. Nets exp and money.

- Far Seas Requisition
Tons of these that are for dungeons requiring you to kill a certain ammount of various types of enemies, and perhaps a named version of one of them. (i.e. kill 4 spiders, 2 of another type of spider, and 1 named spider.) Exp and money.

- Collections
Find these on the ground as glowing spheres, completing them usually nets money, a reward, and xp. Some collectables can belong to multiple catagories, too.

- Enemy Mastery
Find books hidden behind objects or in a library to begin these quests. Reading the book nets a nice 10-page story concerning the race, then begins a quest to learn more about them. Usually requires 4 dropped Lore items from the race you're mastering, and 4 non-dropped quest items. Nets a trophy, placable book, money, and exp.

- Item construction
Probably my favourite type of quest. The enemy drop is a ruined weapon or piece of armor. Examine it for a quest to re-build it, which is a multi-part quest to find pieces to rebuild it. The reward is exp, and the completed item.

Cobalt Katze fucked around with this message on 11-21-2004 at 05:18 PM.

tFUCKING RETARD
Pancake
posted 11-22-2004 01:43:25 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Robocop:
I take it, then, that the collector's edition token turn-in will be an "item that starts a quest" that gives little to no xp (Since I would assume all your characters start with it, and the item is soulbound, so no giving them out) and allows you to choose one of the three, and functions similar to the mechanical squirrel (Summons with a use, has a recharge timer, etc.)?

Wait...what? You mean the Freeport Citizen's Token thingy? If so, more info. please!

There's nothing like a funeral to make you feel alive.
Cobalt Katze
Pancake
posted 11-22-2004 01:59:19 AM
quote:
Vallo had this to say about Cuba:
Wait...what? You mean the Freeport Citizen's Token thingy? If so, more info. please!

I believe that was in reference to the collector's edition pet for WoW

The citizen token is just a nice little speech from either city's leader <^ ^>

Cobalt Katze fucked around with this message on 11-22-2004 at 01:59 AM.

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 11-22-2004 02:09:20 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis's fortune cookie read:
It was pretty high for his level, and it was at the very start of the dungeon. I essentially feared that he would quit out after getting some loot or something, leaving us high and dry.. and he did. The hunter and I had some VERY close calls further in (Thank god for tradeable healthstones), plus I felt like being a mean lil' bitch.

14 isn't low for Ragefire. 20 is just too high.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-22-2004 03:18:40 AM
It was the day of the wipe, I doubt they wanted to quest for hours to see the item's get deleted.

Anyway, in WoW instead of hailing every mob in town we have these giant yellow exclamation points to indicate quests And variable rewards for many quests, especially armor quests. Gives ya a cloth, leather, and metal option.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
tFUCKING RETARD
Pancake
posted 11-22-2004 03:55:42 AM
quote:
Cobalt Katze stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I believe that was in reference to the collector's edition pet for WoW

The citizen token is just a nice little speech from either city's leader <^ ^>


Ah okies, thanks.

quote:
And variable rewards for many quests, especially armor quests. Gives ya a cloth, leather, and metal option.

Same for EQ2, in Freeport there's about 6 or so quests of that nature you can do by level 15.

There's nothing like a funeral to make you feel alive.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 11-22-2004 08:09:48 AM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Tron:

Anyway, in WoW instead of hailing every mob in town we have these giant yellow exclamation points to indicate quests And variable rewards for many quests, especially armor quests. Gives ya a cloth, leather, and metal option.

Instead of giant yellow exclamation marks, in EQ2, many NPCs with quests will actually call out to you.

And as Vallo pointed out, many quests have a choice of reward, be it several types of armor, or several types of weapons, or several types of accessories.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Inferno-Spirit
Sports Advocate
posted 11-22-2004 02:19:52 PM
One of the quests I had in WoW was finding some dead pirate's treasure. It started after randomly finding a dropped scroll off of an enemy. It was neat, because each scroll led to another scroll via treasure hunting directions (like "find the shipwreck on the west coast with the anchor near it", where only one shipwreck has one). It was completable in the level 15 range and yielded an 8 slot bag and 50 silver, plus a unique shirt with no bonuses, but a different appearance.
"He lets the last Hungarian go, and he goes running. He waits until his wife and kids are in the ground and he goes after the rest of the mob. He kills their kids, he kills their wives, he kills their parents and their parents' friends. He burns down the houses they grew up in and the stores they work in, he kills people that owe them money. And like that he was gone. Underground. No one has ever seen him again. He becomes a myth, a spook story that criminals tell their kids at night. 'If you rat on your pop, Keyser Soze will get you.' And nobody really ever believes." - Roger 'Verbal' Kint, The Usual Suspects
Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 11-22-2004 04:54:33 PM
Peter
Pancake
posted 11-22-2004 10:44:30 PM
quote:
Cobalt Katze had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
The only glaring issue I have is the absurd inconsistancy in framerate I get sometimes. Maybe it's just my box or preference to have neat-looking visuals, but sometimes I'll get a smooth 30fps, sometimes it'll be more jittery. That's really my only beef. On the majority it plays smooth enough for me to enjoy it tons.

Not Reading the whole Thead, But I belive this to be a Problem With most SOE Engines. In SWG My box, aside from the RAM(512), Exceeds the the Requirments, and will run fairly smoothly, cet some times I gets all hurcky jerky if I am on speeder hitting a camp or city up, Or zone out into the middle of Cornet. The Space engine on the other hand looks danm spiffy and runs no hitch.

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 11-22-2004 11:08:47 PM
quote:
Peter had this to say about Pirotess:
Not Reading the whole Thead, But I belive this to be a Problem With most SOE Engines. In SWG My box, aside from the RAM(512), Exceeds the the Requirments, and will run fairly smoothly, cet some times I gets all hurcky jerky if I am on speeder hitting a camp or city up, Or zone out into the middle of Cornet. The Space engine on the other hand looks danm spiffy and runs no hitch.

I think the problem is with the absurd amount of textures SoE MMORPG games use. If you don't have enough cascheing space on the ram it resorts to hard drive, and accessing it when comming up on a new player with a texture that you don't have in the ram causes a snap or two.

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Peter
Pancake
posted 11-23-2004 06:02:19 AM
quote:
Blindy obviously shouldn't have said:
I think the problem is with the absurd amount of textures SoE MMORPG games use. If you don't have enough cascheing space on the ram it resorts to hard drive, and accessing it when comming up on a new player with a texture that you don't have in the ram causes a snap or two.

Now maybe I Just don't get it, But wouldn't the texture seek the vid card memory ram befor hitting up the system ram? My card has 256 megs, I thought that might compensate for the missing 512 from my system memory

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 11-23-2004 07:24:47 AM
quote:
Peter attempted to be funny by writing:
Now maybe I Just don't get it, But wouldn't the texture seek the vid card memory ram befor hitting up the system ram? My card has 256 megs, I thought that might compensate for the missing 512 from my system memory

yeah video card first, but usually they would just store things in the video card that are being actively displayed, as opposed to in zone but not in view right now.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-24-2004 12:28:57 AM
As a curiousity: When will WoW character info be added? I understand not tonight, since it seems they're still adding servers.. heh.
Drysart
Pancake
posted 11-24-2004 12:30:55 AM
WoW is the greatest Massively Multiplayer Online Wait I've ever played.

Who are the fucking idiots that decided to put a hard cap on server pops without enough servers to cover the player base? That's stupidity on a fucking grand level.

Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 11-24-2004 12:38:37 AM
As much as I've become a Blizzard fanboy lately, I still think the way they've handled it is a bit retarded.
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