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Abbikat got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
I wonder... How many UN inspectors/observers were on dty for the Presidential elections, given the number and frequency of complaints by both sides of illegal voter registration, voting anomalies, itimidation, etc??)
None, because the US and England pretty much invented the UN. You can't be overtaken by something you are running. If Zimbabwe was one of the initial founders and big resourcers to the UN things might be different for them. 
Now, here's the real question. Will Bush have the balls to do the right things now that election pressure is off or will he just abuse what he has been given? I was sort of looking for a middle ground between Kerry and Bush, so I could be fairly satisfied if Bush would just fix a few things. But if he screws up and fails to use these 4 years will I'll probably start voting democrat more.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about (_|_):
Kudos to Kerry for showing that he's a man of honor and not a weeping baby.
Yeah, very smooth move on his part.
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There was much rejoicing when Manticore said this:
He might run next term and win!
After last night's daily show...I have to say, Al Sharpton '08.
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
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"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
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Gunslinger Moogle was listening to Cher while typing:
After last night's daily show...I have to say, Al Sharpton '08.
You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Please tell me you're kidding.
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Gunslinger Moogle attempted to be funny by writing:
After last night's daily show...I have to say, Al Sharpton '08.
You're joking right? Al Sharpton was a total asshole last night. Stewart seemed angry at how partisan Sharpton was and Weld was a saint in comparison.
So just get that stupid shit out of your heads right now.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Callalron was all like:
I sincerely hate to disappoint all the liberal Democrats on the board, but the first black President of the United States is going to be more like Colin Powell than Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.So just get that stupid shit out of your heads right now.
I'm pretty sure we realize that. If only Powell would run. 
Sad.
Either way, I'm not losing sleep over Bush staying in office. Fact is, I never hated the guy, I just didn't like his policies. Four more years isn't going to be the end of the world, and they go (annoyingly) very quickly in retrospect.
My friends are pissed, though. C'est la vie.
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Monica had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
hillary in 08!
God, no.
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Callalron had this to say about Duck Tales:
I sincerely hate to disappoint all the liberal Democrats on the board, but the first black President of the United States is going to be more like Colin Powell than Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.So just get that stupid shit out of your heads right now.
Or more like Obama. A younger black politician who didn't live as much of his life under the civil rights movements of the sixties, doesn't make it a central focus, and appeals to a wider spectrum of the electorate.
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Monica impressed everyone with:
hillary in 08!
nononononononononononononononononononononoNO!
Dear fucking God, no.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Karnaj was all like:
I think that this election comfortably demonstrates that people on the whole vote with their values, not with secular and financial issues in mind.Also, I'd like to extend a double deuce to all the states that voted for the gay marriage ban, with a special Fuck You to Mississippi, where it passed with 92% of the vote.
*Wait Wait Wait*
Yeah, we had to vote on that, I voted no. I was a little dissapointed that it got a unanimous yes decision. Even though I voted for Bush.
I really liked Kerry and alot of what he stood for. Yet, when it came down to it, discussing the candidates with Republicans and Democrats, the Republicans could just give me more. All the Democrats ever had to say was "oh well Bush is soooo bad, he did this this and this." They never really told me anything good about Kerry, which is what I wanted to learn about. I know it sounds crazy because I'm for stem cell, gay rights, and abortion, but the issue that really weighed heavily on me was Iraq and terrorism.
For every call I got they all started out with "Do you feel safer now then you did 4 years ago." I cant help but say yes to that, Im still yet to understand how people dont feel safer.
So, maybe Im crazy for posting this on what seems to be a very Kerry approving board, and maybe Im completely wrong for voting for Bush. Though I dont think so, because I dont beleive this country is just going to collapse in the next 4 years, I just dont think it works that way.
Im just waiting for Giuliani in '08
Ok, now you may flame.
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Skaw attempted to be funny by writing:
I'm pretty sure we realize that. If only Powell would run.
I actually met Powell when he was Chairman of the JCS and he came over to Saudi to visit my unit during Desert Shield. I was VERY impressed, even back then and I'm not easily impressed by most people.
I'd vote for him for President if he ran. Hell, I'd vote for him two or three times.
/edit: And to add to what Manjusri said. If Powell didn't run, I could very easily go for Giuliani in '08. Very easily. Callalron fucked around with this message on 11-04-2004 at 01:36 AM.
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Zair wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Or more like Obama. A younger black politician who didn't live as much of his life under the civil rights movements of the sixties, doesn't make it a central focus, and appeals to a wider spectrum of the electorate.
A lot of people are impressed with this man already...Should read some of his speaches.
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So quoth Monica:
hilarity in 08!
Yes, most likely.
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Callalron came out of the closet to say:
Hell, I'd vote for him two or three times.
You're a member of the [insert RNC or DNC here], aren't you?
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Callalron thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I actually met Powell when he was Chairman of the JCS and he came over to Saudi to visit my unit during Desert Shield. I was VERY impressed, even back then and I'm not easily impressed by most people.I'd vote for him for President if he ran. Hell, I'd vote for him two or three times.
/edit: And to add to what Manjusri said. If Powell didn't run, I could very easily go for Giuliani in '08. Very easily.
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Gydyon wrote this stupid crap:
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
He'll never play college football!
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nem-x thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
He'll never play college football!
Oh but he will! For one play! And then he'll be famous and buy a mall! And then no one will really remember him until Sam Gamgee plays him in a movie!
Thinking about your posts
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Monica had this to say about Knight Rider:
hillary in 08!
She stands ZERO chance of winning. To liberal, to feminist, and just to hated.
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Azizza impressed everyone with:
She stands ZERO chance of winning. To liberal, to feminist, and just to hated.
too
Thinking about your posts
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So quoth Gydyon:
too
Well sonofabitch. 
I always fuck up too and to.
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Azizza painfully thought these words up:
She stands ZERO chance of winning. To liberal, to feminist, and just to hated.
Nobody thought she stood a chance of getting a senate seat, and that happened. Strange things happen with her. (I think she sold her soul to the devil).
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Talonus was all like:
Nobody thought she stood a chance of getting a senate seat, and that happened. Strange things happen with her. (I think she sold her soul to the devil).
Yes, but I think that had a lot to do with Rudy dropping out of the race. And lawyers don't have souls to sell. We rent from others when we need one. Gydyon fucked around with this message on 11-04-2004 at 10:31 AM.
Thinking about your posts
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Eww they got it all tarnished and moldy, and I think this section is actually beginning to rot away.
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And now, we sprinkle Malbi liberally with Old Spice!
you know the ballot description of the same sex marriage amendment was purposely misleading. It only mentioned same sex marriages and non of the other things. That is probably another reason why it passed. If people could have read the whole thing, or a more comprehensive summation it never would have passed.
I hate to burst your bubble, but when a discriminatory act passes with 92 fucking percent of the vote, the problem doesn't lie in the wording on the ballot. The blame lies squarely with the voters of those 11 states, not some flub in the wording; it passed by too great a margin.
It's just more proof that the flyover and southern states are full of backward, ignorant, bigoted people. There's no reason to vote for a gay marriage ban other than religiously inspired spite for homosexuals.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble, but when a discriminatory act passes with 92 fucking percent of the vote, the problem doesn't lie in the wording on the ballot. The blame lies squarely with the voters of those 11 states, not some flub in the wording; it passed by too great a margin.It's just more proof that the flyover and southern states are full of backward, ignorant, bigoted people. There's no reason to vote for a gay marriage ban other than religiously inspired spite for homosexuals.
And attitudes like that, which are fairly common in the Democratic party, are why those states are going to stay red for the foreseeable future. Simply put, most people in those states feel that the Democrats are on the wrong side of the fence when it comes to the Three G's (God, guns and gays).
Calling someone backward, ignorant and bigoted isn't exactly the quickest path to getting them to come around to your point of view.
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Karnaj had this to say about Captain Planet:
It's just more proof that the flyover and southern states are full of backward, ignorant, bigoted people. There's no reason to vote for a gay marriage ban other than religiously inspired spite for homosexuals.
To be fair, it's not just the south that is full of those type of people.
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Noxhil spewed forth this undeniable truth:
To be fair, it's not just the south that is full of those type of people.
Yeah. Look at Utah.
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Callalron screamed this from the crapper:
And attitudes like that, which are fairly common in the Democratic party, are why those states are going to stay red for the foreseeable future. Simply put, most people in those states feel that the Democrats are on the wrong side of the fence when it comes to the Three G's (God, guns and gays).Calling someone backward, ignorant and bigoted isn't exactly the quickest path to getting them to come around to your point of view.
Why split hairs? I call 'em as they are. It's a simple observation supported by fact.
And who said anything about getting them to come around? Odds are they're perfectly happy being ignorant and bigoted; it makes them feel good that they're defending traditional values and all that other bullshit. It's not that they don't know any better, either. They choose to hold these views. There may be social pressure outside the ballot box, but no one knows how you vote unless you tell them. They consciously chose to support discriminatory legislation, and probably felt good doing it. Trying to change them doesn't factor in at all, indeed, it's probably impossible.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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We were all impressed when Karnaj wrote:
Why split hairs? I call 'em as they are. It's a simple observation supported by fact.And who said anything about getting them to come around? Odds are they're perfectly happy being ignorant and bigoted; it makes them feel good that they're defending traditional values and all that other bullshit. It's not that they don't know any better, either. They choose to hold these views. There may be social pressure outside the ballot box, but no one knows how you vote unless you tell them. They consciously chose to support discriminatory legislation, and probably felt good doing it. Trying to change them doesn't factor in at all, indeed, it's probably impossible.
Wrong for southerners to judge, okay for Karnaj to judge...
While I may not agree with it, it is regardless their belief, and frankly put, its not your place to call them ignorant for following their creedence. That really only shows ignorance on your behalf. You're obviously very much biased in your opinion of theism, just as they are biased and guided by their own, its the pot calling the kettle black, sorry mate.
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CBTao had this to say about (_|_):
Wrong for southerners to judge, okay for Karnaj to judge...While I may not agree with it, it is regardless their belief, and frankly put, its not your place to call them ignorant for following their creedence. That really only shows ignorance on your behalf. You're obviously very much biased in your opinion of theism, just as they are biased and guided by their own, its the pot calling the kettle black, sorry mate.
The thing is, they want to legislate their beliefs and deny certain benefits to those who don't hold their same beliefs. Karnaj doesn't.
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Zair painfully thought these words up:
The thing is, they want to legislate their beliefs and deny certain benefits to those who don't hold their same beliefs. Karnaj doesn't.
Thats because Karnaj doesn't hold the ability to pass legislature singlehandedly. I'm sure he wouldn't hesitate too much to eradicating most church propelled laws (not that I would disagree with it).
I just object to him labeling an entire culture because it doesn't suit his precise ideals.
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CBTao put down Tada! magazine long enough to type:
Wrong for southerners to judge, okay for Karnaj to judge...While I may not agree with it, it is regardless their belief, and frankly put, its not your place to call them ignorant for following their creedence. That really only shows ignorance on your behalf. You're obviously very much biased in your opinion of theism, just as they are biased and guided by their own, its the pot calling the kettle black, sorry mate.
Sorry, that kind of complete relativism just doesn't fly. "Well, they have their beliefs and I have mine and that's that," doesn't even apply to this situation; as Zair correctly pointed out, they're legislating from belief, and insodoing, open those beliefs up to criticism and scrutiny.
And you are further wrong, as it is my place to call them ignorant, and backward, and bigoted, because it's a simple statement of fact. There is no other explanation for their behavior. It is bred from religious indoctrination, intolerance, and fear of the unfamiliar. There exists no rational basis for legislating and supporting this kind of discrimination, and because of this, supporting such discrimination is necessarily the product of irrational bases, namely ignorance and bigotry.
Finally, my personal views have nothing to do with it; I am applying critical thought to set of observations and facts to draw the only possible conclusion from these data. While I may not like the conclusion I draw from the process, this remains separate from the process used to arrive at the conclusion. If I fail to report my conclusion in the calmest of tones, it does not automatically disqualify my argument.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Callalron spewed forth this undeniable truth:
See, in my case, I'm hoping the election returns will have three main effects: 1)that it'll piss off the French to no end, 2) that a lot of self-important rock stars and actors will realize that nobody cares what they think about politics, so shut the hell up and get back to entertaining us, since that's your job and all and 3) that professional fat boy and part time blimp impersonator Michael Moore will literally explode in self-righteous indignation and that someone will get it on film. I'd pay pay=per-view prices to see something like that.
Well, you can go to his site and be revolted or disgusted, if you want.
