U.S. Army report on Iraqi prisoner abuse
Guess that settles it then.
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Pvednes had this to say about Captain Planet:Guess that settles it then
Settles what? If you mean whether they are authentic, then yeah, it definatly does.
What is scary is that there are photos and videos that the military has that they won't even release, because they are even worse than what is already out. Rumsfeld said it will only make things worse, and he is probably right.
Rumor is that one of the videos is of a military guy raping one of the few female prisoners. I doubt it, but these withheld videos/pictures must be pretty bad. Zair fucked around with this message on 05-08-2004 at 12:28 AM.
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6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;
d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;
e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear womens underwear;
f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;
h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
i. (S) Writing I am a Rapest (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainees neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;
k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;
l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.
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Kegwen had this to say about Optimus Prime:
I am not reading that.
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Pvednes wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Here's the US Military's take on the matter.U.S. Army report on Iraqi prisoner abuse
Guess that settles it then.
Settles what?
This is some bad stuff. If our reputation with the middle east, wasn't in the crapper already, it sure is now.
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Snoota's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Settles what?
Two things.
1. That the photos were in fact genuine.
2. That these fuckers are getting courtmartialled so hard they'll wish they were the detainees.
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Zair was naked while typing this:
Well, I guess they did rape a prisoner, according to (k).This is some bad stuff. If our reputation with the middle east, wasn't in the crapper already, it sure is now.
Oh no.
Now the Arab world will be mad at us.
They will wish violence upon us.
Oh dear.
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Mr. Parcelan wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Oh no.Now the Arab world will be mad at us.
They will wish violence upon us.
Oh dear.
Or, you know, blow us up some more. Maybe some more civilians while they're at it.
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Mr. Parcelan painfully thought these words up:
Oh no.Now the Arab world will be mad at us.
They will wish violence upon us.
Oh dear.
It certainly doesn't help us rebuild Iraq. It is arguable that some of them used to like us after we toppled Saddam. Also, its not like everyone in the more moderate Islamic countries like Jordan hate us. We shouldn't totally give up on having diplomatic relations with some of the more moderate Arab factions.
These recent events are damaging even that. The only people who will probably always like us is the Saudi Royal Family.
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A sleep deprived Kegwen stammered:
Or, you know, blow us up some more. Maybe some more civilians while they're at it.
And they weren't going to try this before, because they were our allies before all this 
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Razor stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Only reason we hear about this en-mass now is because of mass media communication. God knows that this isn't the first time this has happened.
Well thank God we have someone in the know like you to tell us that the entire military is corrupt.
Because, after all, we have no reason to doubt a man that wishes he were an anime cat when he claims such a conspiracy without any proof beyond the need to appeal to the mass liberal board population.
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Darius! had this to say about dark elf butts:
What punishments are these guys facing? I don't feel like skimming through that.
Hmmm not sure, seems all involved have been automatically relieved of duty/command and reprimanded hard, we'll have to wait and see on the actual punishments. *shrugs*
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Pvednes who doth quote:
Two things.
1. That the photos were in fact genuine.
2. That these fuckers are getting courtmartialled so hard they'll wish they were the detainees.
Yeah, it was so horrible I refused to believe it. It's a good thing these five people have been weeded out.
Sadly for the liberal spin doctors, it's hardly a case against US involvement in Iraq.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Kegwen who doth quote:
I am not reading that.
Because intelligent people only listen to ONE side of a story. 
Don't worry though, you're just like every other liberal.
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Kegwening:
Or, you know, blow us up some more. Maybe some more civilians while they're at it.
Yeah, just like they have before and would have done again anyways.
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Mr. Parcelan thought about the meaning of life:
Well thank God we have someone in the know like you to tell us that the entire military is corrupt.Because, after all, we have no reason to doubt a man that wishes he were an anime cat when he claims such a conspiracy without any proof beyond the need to appeal to the mass liberal board population.
Because history certainly hasn't taught us that things like this have happened for centuries (obviously without the videos/photographs to show to the world).
That was his entire point, and you decided to get defensive about it.
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We were all impressed when Pvednes wrote:
Two things.
1. That the photos were in fact genuine.
2. That these fuckers are getting courtmartialled so hard they'll wish they were the detainees.
It was never claimed otherwise. In fact, Rumsfeld asked NBC(I think it was NBC. Whoever got ahold of the photos first) to delay releasing them one day so the Military could get their evidence and facts in order to immediately release what was going on in the investigation. Of course, seeing those $ signs, they released them anyway. It would be great if the Military weren't so afraid of public opinion. Those photos that NBC released were Classified material. That's a crime, media or not.
I think this is one of those things that didn't need to get leaked by the press. It was a few bad people who were caught right away, and the Military had been secretly handling it for five months. There are some things people just don't deserve to know; this was one of them. Especially half a year after it was said and done. All letting the general public know about it now does is create a headache and an uproar over something that was in control and already done and gone.
I mean, it's one thing if the press had gotten ahold of the photographs and found nothing was being done about it. But when they got the photographs they started contacting people in the Department of Defense and found that the soldiers were already about to be courtmartialed and had been removed from their duty in Iraq immediately after it was discovered: five months ago.
And the funny thing is, this story broke about three or four months ago and nobody cared. They just didn't have the pictures to go with it.
But, feel free to generalize and condescend. It makes you better than everyone else. Trust me.
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Kegwening:
Maradon, if it was a 20 page report on how evil the United States was and how cool liberals were, I would have closed it just as quickly.But, feel free to generalize and condescend. It makes you better than everyone else. Trust me.
Sorry, I was going off the precedent you've set for yourself in that you reliably lean far, far left on every single topic that you've ever commented on. I didn't know that didn't count here. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 05-08-2004 at 01:01 AM.
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How.... Snoota.... uughhhhhh:
It was never claimed otherwise.
He was refering to the thread about it on this board, from a few days ago. The first few responses to the thread were people that were very skeptical of it. Maradon, for example, assumed it was all a liberal plot.
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This one time, at Pvednes camp:
This is probably one of the more important parts:i. (S) Writing I am a Rapest (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked
Am I a bad person because I don't see what was so horrible about that one? 
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Snoota had this to say about Knight Rider:
It was never claimed otherwise. In fact, Rumsfeld asked NBC(I think it was NBC. Whoever got ahold of the photos first) to delay releasing them one day so the Military could get their evidence and facts in order to immediately release what was going on in the investigation. Of course, seeing those $ signs, they released them anyway. It would be great if the Military weren't so afraid of public opinion. Those photos that NBC released were Classified material. That's a crime, media or not.I think this is one of those things that didn't need to get leaked by the press. It was a few bad people who were caught right away, and the Military had been secretly handling it for five months. There are some things people just don't deserve to know; this was one of them. Especially half a year after it was said and done. All letting the general public know about it now does is create a headache and an uproar over something that was in control and already done and gone.
I mean, it's one thing if the press had gotten ahold of the photographs and found nothing was being done about it. But when they got the photographs they started contacting people in the Department of Defense and found that the soldiers were already about to be courtmartialed and had been removed from their duty in Iraq immediately after it was discovered: five months ago.
And the funny thing is, this story broke about three or four months ago and nobody cared. They just didn't have the pictures to go with it.
Just seemed like something you'd expect more from, oooh, the pre-war Republican Guard than the US army. Aside from that fair 'nuff. Though I do prefer the media pulling stuff like this, it's pretty much what a media is for. Something like that though, you need the pictures for it to really click at all. Without the pictures, as Maradon would put it, it's just "liberal spin doctoring".
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Zair who doth quote:
He was refering to the thread about it on this board, from a few days ago. The first few responses to the thread were people that were very skeptical of it. Maradon, for example, assumed it was all a liberal plot.
Which was a reasonable conclusion given the outlandish nature of the news, the lack of evidence presented in that thread, and the liberal spin of the source cited.
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Maradon! was listening to Cher while typing:
Sorry, I was going off the precedent you've set for yourself in that you reliably lean far, far left on every single topic that you've ever commented on. I didn't know that didn't count here.
I can't/won't deny that.
However, I will say that I wasn't against the Iraqi war in all. I disagree with a bit of public policy behind it, but what we have accomplished thus far seems to be a positive change for Iraq.
I will also say that I am completely inept in the art of making and supporting a point, especially in this environment. As such, I will make no further attempts to argue my views in this thread. 
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How.... Snoota.... uughhhhhh:
Am I a bad person because I don't see what was so horrible about that one?
I got the impression that one's horrible because the soldiers forced-staged the rape and -then- did that.
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Maradon! stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Which was a reasonable conclusion given the outlandish nature of the news, the lack of evidence presented in that thread, and the liberal spin of the source cited.
I didn't make a judgement call, was just stating what you said.
It is reasonable, considering there has been some evidence that similar photos of British troops abusing Iraqis that showed up in a British tabloid were faked. Something about the military uniforms not even being up to date, among other stuff. Zair fucked around with this message on 05-08-2004 at 01:10 AM.
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Zair had this to say about pies:
He was refering to the thread about it on this board, from a few days ago. The first few responses to the thread were people that were very skeptical of it. Maradon, for example, assumed it was all a liberal plot.
Let's be fair, though. If I came here tomorrow and linked to an article from a fuzzy news source that said Bush announced he was going to step down from the coming election due to declining world support after the war in Iraq your reaction would be, "Yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it."
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Pvednes had this to say about Tron:
I got the impression that one's horrible because the soldiers forced-staged the rape and -then- did that.
Wait, where did it say anything at all like that? 
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Snoota stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Let's be fair, though. If I came here tomorrow and linked to an article from a fuzzy news source that said Bush announced he was going to step down from the coming election due to declining world support after the war in Iraq your reaction would be, "Yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it."
Right. I was just explaining what I believe he meant when he said "clearing up whether they were real or not". Because, like you said, outside of this board, there really wasn't a question of the photos being genuine or not. Zair fucked around with this message on 05-08-2004 at 01:16 AM.
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This one time, at Snoota camp:
Wait, where did it say anything at all like that?
As I said, just an impression. I think I picked it up from Four Corners or A Current Affair or something like that...oh well. The other interpretation is a very fitting little punishment however...
God damn liberals.
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Maradon! thought about the meaning of life:
Which was a reasonable conclusion given the outlandish nature of the news, the lack of evidence presented in that thread, and the liberal spin of the source cited.
Because if it's not from foxnews, it's got liberal spin doesn't it?
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From the book of Snoota, chapter 3, verse 16:
Kegwen tied me up and sodomized me while his friends watched and taped it.God damn liberals.
You'll never catch me alive, heathens!
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Snoota wrote this stupid crap:
Wait, where did it say anything at all like that?
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i. (S) Writing I am a Rapest (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
Underlined for your convenience.
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This insanity brought to you by Skaw:
Underlined for your convenience.
Just imagine I'm posting the Samuel L. Jackson, "English, motherfucker, do you speak it?" picture here.
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Maradon! came out of the closet to say:
Sadly for the liberal spin doctors, it's hardly a case against US involvement in Iraq.
As if the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with any of the goals of the President's "War on Terror" wasn't a good enough reason.
That's not even getting into the fact that the President misled the American public and the UN with known-faulty intelligence, lied about prior planning for the invasion, completely ignored the advisors who gave him war plans that actually had a coherent post-invasion rebuilding strategy, has failed to maintain control of large portions of the country so miserably that troops stationed in Iraq are being forced to have their tours of duty extended beyond a year, and has made such a mess that nobody has any expectation of a calm Iraq in the forseeable future.
Only half of this stuff is Rumsfeld's fault.
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Maradon! came out of the closet to say:
Because intelligent people only listen to ONE side of a story.Don't worry though, you're just like every other liberal.
And here I thought you were being sarcastic in the first sentence, when your second sentence seems to indicate that it's exactly what you believe, as long as they only slurp down the right-wing spin.
indeed.
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Verily, Razor doth proclaim:
Only reason we hear about this en-mass now is because of mass media communication. God knows that this isn't the first time this has happened.
Um, dude? Mass Media has been around for many many years -- you know those newspaper things? Mass Media. Same with magazines. Television, everything. Communicates to a mass audience, boom. Mass Media.
If we hadn't heard about it through the mass media, it would have eventually got around, one way or another. While things like this MAY have happened in the past...news about them would have been at least somewhat wide spread. Soldiers would tell stories, something. people WOULD hear about it. Of course, mass media really started to get big in, if I remember right, the late 1800s, around 1880. I don't have my notes from my class with an exact date for you, but this was around the time when newspapers started to get big. I'm sure that if this was widespread in WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Korean War, or any other small skirmishes, it would have been in newspapers and such.
So, yeah. Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 05-08-2004 at 02:23 AM.
