On the OTHER hand, we do know that he apparently believes in vampires, and was going to go off on an airplane with a sword to go and have a sword fight with these idiots. That doesn't speak of maturity or realistic thinking or anything of that sort. It tells me he's an idealistic kid.

Now there's nothing wrong with idealism. It's like Hope, nice to have, keeps you afloat in the rough times, but really it doesn't pay the bills, get you a place to live, etc. Is it enough to base a marriage off of? No. The best marriages are the ones where you know someone skin to soul, inside and out, for several years. If he's been aiming for marriage for several years, that would mean he's been shooting for this goal since just after puberty set in.

Kinda puts it in perspective, eh?

You don't have to agree with Parcelan. That's okay. I don't always agree with Parcelan. But in this case I think he's very right, based on the information given to the public by Zeke. He's a kid who was going to go off to fight vampires who's proposed and planning to marry someone before he's able to vote in a Presidential Election.

And whatever else you might think about Zeke, most of the board doesn't know the kid as anything other than "That guy who was going to fight vampires" and, like everything else, EVERYTHING ELSE from good relationships turning into marriages to kids growing up to be adults, it's going to take time to change that.

He did something very stupid. He not only planned to go swordfight people, he asked folks on the boards to back him up. That's not something you can just grin and say "man I was silly, eh?"

Second, a few minor corrections from an all-around good post that disagreed with my actions but recognized that flaming them is useless and was just overall not an asshole. Disagreement is perfectly fine with any aspect of any thing. But anyway...

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Now there's nothing wrong with idealism. It's like Hope, nice to have, keeps you afloat in the rough times, but really it doesn't pay the bills, get you a place to live, etc.

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I currently have a minor source of income, have been applying for jobs for quite some time, and don't plan on going to move out immediately or anything so while obviously I won't be living in a mansion neither does any ordinary person when they first live independently. In all likelyhood I'll be working two jobs all throughout college.

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If he's been aiming for marriage for several years, that would mean he's been shooting for this goal since just after puberty set in.

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We were first friends for a year, gradually growing closer and started dating. I've been thinking about our future for a while now but I'd say it's been in the last 6 or 7 months that I started getting into details in my head.

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before he's able to vote in a Presidential Election

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In Georgia, I can indeed vote in the upcoming election.

This is just as foolish as the Vampire fiasco.

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On the other hand Zeke kinda brought it on himself by taking it out of the thread.

Incidentally I just noticed Zeke's title. Wahahahah.

Also, Derek, I am calling you out. You seem like a smart guy, and your two posts have been made for the sole purpose of succintly compounding someone's pwnination. Tell us about yourself a bit. Put yer feet up, have a cigar.

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Nobody really understood why Liam wrote:
How are your two shit jobs going to pay for both tuition, but also a place to live, food for two, all utilities, and a car + insurance (You think these two jobs are going to be next door to each other?)

This is just as foolish as the Vampire fiasco.

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We both have cars already. I have a '99 Neon I bought and she has an '04 Tundra her parents bought her for her birthday. We both qualify for the Hope scholarship. I have some money in an account from my grandparents for college and she has several schools offering her soccer scholarships as well. I currently have nothing but insurance and gas to pay for that are necessities so the vast vast VAST majority of my money I make can be saved up and used for housing. Oh also, we've both had driver's ed so insurance rates are lower. While we won't be well-off or anything, we should be able to make due pretty well.

And two minimum wage jobs will not make up for what you plan on doing, to be realistic here. It's pretty far fetched and you'll be going INSANE in school with all this shit on your shoulders. Also, from what I can tell, you're not too good at handling stress, and trust me, you'll have more then enough for yourself with this setup you have planned.

I'm only 17 too but I'd never be able to do this. Better off waiting for when it's appropriate (Which isn't now)

Also, believe it or not, I am generally a very calm and collected person and I handle things quite well.

I'd like to come beat some sense into you.

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Ninety-nine bottles of Derek on the wall, ninety-nine bottles of Derek...
Parcelan didn't start this thread.

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And on this particular issue, considering I didn't even read (or see a link to) the thread the argument is about, I'm staying neutral. Whichever side I could take already has defenders, which means I'd have to stop being lazy and read the arguments in detail. I just don't have the interest in this particular issue, which appears from the first post to be whether or not Zeke is responsible and/or mature enough to get married. Plus whichever side I could take, someone would catch a flaw in my argument, to which someone else would reply, "Ohhhhh snap!" Hence leading to a running gag.

And Derek, I think, should get the title, "Outsmarted a doctor." Why? Because it sounds good, and in a few months will only serve to confuse people, which is always good. That and I have no idea who you are, yet I've referred to you in both the second and third person in this paragraph.

Just 2 cents from a Bitter, Confused Man.

Lacking any real ability to so much as garner attention for himself, much less defend himself in a flame battle, he attempts to straddle the fence insultingly so he can always fall back on neutrality when he gets bashed.

But I digress; do what you please, Zeke. As always, I'll be waiting here to laugh at you when either your lie gets blown apart or realize how much of an ignorant douche you were.

Rest assured, you can't make this work. You're too young, too stupid, too idealistic and far, far too incapable. If the girl has any sense, she'll have nothing more to do with you before you ruin her life as well as yours.

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King Parcelan had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Ford's thoughts are of no consequence. He's still bitter over the whole "black whole of boring uselessness" insult I called him, which causes him to act out in these threads.

Lacking any real ability to so much as garner attention for himself, much less defend himself in a flame battle, he attempts to straddle the fence insultingly so he can always fall back on neutrality when he gets bashed.

But I digress; do what you please, Zeke. As always, I'll be waiting here to laugh at you when either your lie gets blown apart or realize how much of an ignorant douche you were.

Rest assured, you can't make this work. You're too young, too stupid, too idealistic and far, far too incapable. If the girl has any sense, she'll have nothing more to do with you before you ruin her life as well as yours.

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That was fucking harsh, I mean holy fuck man....that's like......just fucking harsh.

And Zeke, do what you want dude. You wanna marry her? Fucking go for it, more power to you I say, do what makes you happy, if it doesn't work out, at least you gave it a shot with someone love.

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That was fucking harsh, I mean holy fuck man....that's like......just fucking harsh.

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He opened the door.

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Sean impressed everyone with:
Where in Georgia is it you live, again?

I'd like to come beat some sense into you.

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Careful. He's probably got a sword from his previous duel.

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King Parcelan really knows where their towel is...
"black whole of boring uselessness"

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King Parcelan needs to hitch a ride with a Vogon constructor fleet.
Ohhhhh snap!

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Roll the dice to see if King Parcelan is getting drunk!
He opened the door.

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Why hasn't anyone called me Obsessive yet? C'mon, I'm sure I've earned that one by now.

I know you're a coward at heart, so I'm guessing it's the latter. Or perhaps to also pretend to make some attempt at humor, no longer satisfied to being just a living joke.

Now, if you're having fun, just sit there and try to pretend you're clever. Try not to get in the way of the grown-ups, though, hmm?

Hmm, I have no idea what is going on other then it appears two young people are getting married. Possibly had sex after getting engaged?

Time for the gnoll to put in two cents.

Marriage, at 17, wow! I remember when I was 17, I was an idiot. I didn't think so at the time, but looking back, I realize I was now. You'd be amazed at how much you change from about 18-22. Its odd really. Part of you dies and you lose something, but you make it up in wisdom.

You might be mature enough to handle it, but I doubt it. You also might think you're mature enough to have sex too, but I doubt that.

My first time was aweful. I just wanted to "get it over with." I'm still not mature enough to handle it and I've got a few years on you.

Reflect on things carefully before you jump into any life altering decisions and for the sake of everyone, use protection!

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I remember when I was 17, I was an idiot.

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sorry ;(

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Pesco attempted to be funny by writing:
Just 2 cents from a Bitter, Confused Man.

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Doing ok? =\

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Ferrel had this to say about Cuba:
Marriage, at 17, wow! I remember when I was 17, I was an idiot. I didn't think so at the time, but looking back, I realize I was now. You'd be amazed at how much you change from about 18-22. Its odd really. Part of you dies and you lose something, but you make it up in wisdom.

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Listen to the Gnoll, for she is wise.

And 22 is where reality tends to sink in for most people. Their world starts cracking at around 20 and usually by 22 they realize the truth and subsequently beat themselves in the head for a while over what happened from years 16 to the present. God knows I did. My world was shattered at the age of 19 due to a really stupid mistake I made and it took me till I was about 22 to stop abusing myself over it. I'm almost 26 now and I've still got work to do on that point.

And Doc, I think the word for you is 'masochist'.

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Pesco had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Solely judging from your maturity level on these boards, I'd highly recommend not getting married. But that is just me. It is hard to explain my reasons, and honestly, I probably couldnt even say them if I wanted to at this point as I find it difficult to even reply to this thread. But if you are legit, I'd have to say wait it out a bit longer. There are still some big parts of your life coming up. You will change, she will change and there is nothing you can really do about it. Yall may make it through it all, but the odds are very much against you. Trust me.

Just 2 cents from a Bitter, Confused Man.

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Its amazing how things change when Mom and Dad aren't there to take care of you and tell you what to do.

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Another thing that helps you see reality is leaving the nest.

Its amazing how things change when Mom and Dad aren't there to take care of you and tell you what to do.

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Leaving the nest, escaping the nest, it's all the same.

In my case I quite litterally ran away from home. Spending 6 months at the mercy of friends because you don't presently have a job and you're broke really will drill sense into the most thick headed of people.

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Random Insanity Generator wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Leaving the nest, escaping the nest, it's all the same.

In my case I quite litterally ran away from home. Spending 6 months at the mercy of friends because you don't presently have a job and you're broke really will drill sense into the most thick headed of people.

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That is harsh too. In a more mild sense, I call those bills. You have a job and you're broke!

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Nope, both virgins.

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We were all impressed when ^_^ Zeke kekeke lala~~ wrote:
Nope, both virgins.

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Consider keeping it that way. It can be your most special moment ever or your worst.

Sex isn't what all the people make it out to be on TV. You don't HAVE to do it.

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First off, It's not something 'out of the blue' and, in fact, we've known eachother for as long as I've lived here (5 years, about)

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Check out the big brain on Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael!
If he's been aiming for marriage for several years, that would mean he's been shooting for this goal since just after puberty set in.

Kinda puts it in perspective, eh?

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^_^ Zeke kekeke lala~~ stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
We were first friends for a year, gradually growing closer and started dating. I've been thinking about our future for a while now but I'd say it's been in the last 6 or 7 months that I started getting into details in my head.

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Still doesn't change the fact that you're basically just out of puberty, and completely unready for this in terms of maturity.

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^_^ Zeke kekeke lala~~ stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Second, a few minor corrections from an all-around good post that disagreed with my actions but recognized that flaming them is useless and was just overall not an asshole. Disagreement is perfectly fine with any aspect of any thing. But anyway...

Actually, I said my friends thought they were vampires as did the people who claimed it and that I don't believe in them at all.

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But YOU said YOU were ready to fly off and have a swordfight with one of these "vampires-who-arent-vampires"...

So that makes you either (a) very naive (and thus totally unsuitable to a lasting marriage); or (b) guilty of attention-whoring, as Parce said.

Which is it?

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^_^ Zeke kekeke lala~~ stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I currently have a minor source of income, have been applying for jobs for quite some time, and don't plan on going to move out immediately or anything so while obviously I won't be living in a mansion neither does any ordinary person when they first live independently. In all likelyhood I'll be working two jobs all throughout college.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but at age 17 (and without college education behind you) the best job you get is going to be paying minimum wage. So working 2 jobs isn't going to do much more than incur a hefty additional tax-bill and probably not get you the extra cash you think it will, not to mention take you away from your "new wife" for upto 16 hours of each day if you take 2 full-time jobs to try to make ends meet (since there is NO way 2 part-time jobs on minimum wage would ever swing the money for you.. hell, they'd be lucky to combine to 1 single full-time wage), and if you're going to add attending college at the same time...

Dude, since when have your days had more than 24 hours in them like the rest of the world??

Face it zeke, you've got a NUMBER of older folks who HAVE been in this SAME SITUATION in their lives telling you "Whoa dude... bad call.. Better to chill and think this through a little more before you really screw up your life.." and your telling us that you know better?

Hon, we ALL thought we knew better at 17... Why do you think we're giving you this advice? Because we want to oppress you and keep you in your place? Or maybe, just maybe, we worry about someone we all consider a friend of some type and don't want to see you rush into somethign we know you'll end up regretting later on (probably in less than 2 years).

Despite all this, I sense you're going to ignore us all (hopefully without the fingers in the ears and chanting "Lalala cant hear you.." routine that you've used so far, which really shows maturity.. ) and go through with this.. If so, fine. it IS your life after all.

But don't come back here whining and begging for sympathy when it all goes to hell in a handbasket, especially after telling us all that you know better than we who have been there already...

Edit: I feex oblivious tpyo.. I (prolly) miss many many more..

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But I'm just saying that to oppress you and keep you in your place.

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King Parcelan is attacking the darkness!
And the classic "I am having so much fun!" excuse, similar to the "I enjoy provoking a response out of you" fallacy, usually used in hoping to goad the foe into a furious, dim-witted attack or to cover one's ass as they flee, or attempt to flee.

I know you're a coward at heart, so I'm guessing it's the latter. Or perhaps to also pretend to make some attempt at humor, no longer satisfied to being just a living joke.

Now, if you're having fun, just sit there and try to pretend you're clever. Try not to get in the way of the grown-ups, though, hmm?

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Though I didn't always enjoy our little confrontations, I do enjoy a good battle on occasion. And with you, I need not concern myself with such trivialities as purpose, information, or forethought, unless I desire to do so. You'll attack anything, and since you've long since decided you hate whatever I do, or elsewise act as such, I can provoke you with whatever means I believe will create the most interesting read. Your continuous holier-than-thou attitude gives me the underdog position by default, which generally allows for more interesting tactics.

Not everything I do is intended to provoke you, of course. Most times I participate in the usual banter and community activities without concern for your particular brand of self-entertainment. Even my little snide remarks are sometimes just intended as individual jabs at your expense, just as you've taken to doing on so regular a basis. But when you so eloquently take up an argument, why should I miss the opportunity?

I am, however, somewhat disappointed with your recent tactics. You seem to have forgotten why you originally designated me as a member of your target-o-matic group, and instead have decided to claim whatever I say at the moment as an inevitable ploy for escape. It gets tiresome, and though sufficiently witty and "fucking harsh", as our bronzed friend phrased it, it loses its bite when you give up consistency and accuracy for the sake of convenience.

I won't say you're entirely innacurate, because there is no such thing as a completely original tactic, and I have used almost every standard argumentative style, for better or worse, at least once over the course of the years I have participated in the Evercrest community, including the acquisition of applicable background information, and one of my personal favorites, logical argument. Witty retorts and snide remarks make for easy entertainment in any confrontation where outside information plays only a secondary role, and generally coincides with the aforementioned underdog tactics, so I make use of it quite often on such occasions. I'm sure I've covered just about everything in the little psychology case-study you like to draw upon so regularly. There has even been one, and I do mean one, occasion where I began an argument with one of Evercrest's firebrand experts in an improper mindset, and found myself making rather poor attempts to withdraw gracefully. So I can see how, in your desperate search for new grounds to offend me, you would make the mistake of recognizing past tactics of both myself and so many others, and presuming predictability.

I also must apologize for having temporarily postponed our confrontation on account of my imperfect form's need for sleep. This may, I believe, have led you to the false conclusion that I had yielded to such an inadequate reply as your most recent one. Your tired and altogether uncreative reference to a presumtion of generally juvenile mental attitude lacks both finesse and strength, relying instead on the hope that such a stale tactic will somehow prove intimidating. I am, as stated, significantly disappointed. I was also hoping you wouldn't default to your self-referenced "dim-witted attack", as sustaining the confrontation now requires additional effort on my part. Please make a more conscientious effort henceforth.

On the off chance that I have misread your intentions, and you in fact do not find conflict entertaining, I once again apologize. So far as I have been aware, your tactics are simply a form of entertainment, not the result of any form of complex, and as such presumed you would enjoy a good confrontation. I have enjoyed feeding you opportunities, and I believe you have always enjoyed taking them.

Much like the rest of your attempts at anything, you fail this time.

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Sorry, boy. If you try to follow Deth's act, you suffer the same fate. Nobody's going to read an attempt to overwhelm by sheer volume.

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Since you won't change and you won't go away, I just accepted you for what you are. I've even found a way to take advantage of it. I enjoy a good argument on occasion, and you provide an unlimited source of them. I don't even have to try, you pour on the insults just because I show up, though actually provoking you by telling the truth makes for much better arguments.

Sadly, you're losing your touch. Your arguments lately are generic and stale. You've fallen back on name-calling, and even insulted yourself by complaining about tactics and using those tactics at the same time. I am disappointed in you.

The psychoanalysis fallacy, the "I'll use your flames to my advantage" fallacy, and the "you've lost your touch, old boy" fallacy.

First, you try to pretend you're a little psychiatrist, in hopes of making me go "WOW! He's really got me pegged!" The real effect, however, is a failed attempt at superiority. Your only hope is to be above me, and since you can't obtain it through flames and arguments, you attempt to pretend that you know what I'm thinking.

Now, following closely on its heels, you pretend that me flaming somehow works to your advantage. Since your brain is rewired in a way that no one really cares to understand, I won't pretend to know what the hell you're getting at. I'd probably guess that you're trying to convince me of the age-old fallacy that I'm somehow helping you by flaming. Well, if I'm producing masturbatory aid for you, boy, go ahead. It won't be the first time I've induced orgasms by writing.

And then the old attempt to try and make me feel like my flames aren't worth it anymore. Well, since you're not particularly good at figuring things out, son, I'll let you in on a little secret: I've never cared about the opinions from any inferior ape such as yourself. If you want to think I've lost my touch, go right ahead. The smarter people know better.

Now, if you want to keep getting your rocks off, do try and keep your "arguments" short. I don't have the time to coddle you.

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Actually, I'm not ignoring you. I'm taking the advice (When it actually is advice as it has been the latter half of this tahnkfully) and applying it. Everything's still set as it was but with a bit of an additional clause. We aren't getting married until we're financially secure. In all likelyhood that'll knock it back about 2 years, three if something screws up. We're engaged nonetheless and all of that stuff about how it will never last just because none of them do...we'll see how it goes in the long run and if you're right I'll be the first to admit it.

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You plan to be financially secure at 19?

AHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!

Yeah, squander the money your relatives set aside for college--lots of people do really well these days without a degree.

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lots of people do really well these days without a degree.

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