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Zair stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Its all nice and sentimental to say some illegals crossing the border love our country, but that doesn't make them BELONG here.

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I do believe if you READ what Blindy wrote, there was no mention of illegals.

He stated "immigrants". That means people who arrive in the country by LEGAL means.

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Somthor impressed everyone with:
and again I'll tell you becuse I wanted to know.

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Ok, maybe I need to be a little more clear with the wording of my question...

For what purpose do you enquire as to which persons currently residing within the territories of the United States of America and using this internet forum, and who are of eligible age to, have performed service within the armed forces of the heretofore mentioned country?

[ 01-20-2004: Message edited by: Abbikat ]

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Abbikat stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
*steals Vorbis' goat*

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

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She got my goat

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Abbikat was naked while typing this:
I do believe if you READ what Blindy wrote, there was no mention of illegals.

He stated "immigrants". That means people who arrive in the country by LEGAL means.

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And that doesn't make what I said any less relevant, truly. Blindy's comment was pointless, false, and another attempt to jump on the "OMG Somthor sucks" bandwagon.

Somthor deserves alot of the crap thrown at him in my opinion. It's annoying, however, to see some people flaming someone just because they have become a virtual pariah.

I know most people don't have the patience to do this, but I happen to judge each of Somthor's (or anyone's) arguement based on its own merit, not on my personal opinion of the poster. Somthor brought up some valid points in this thread that were largely glossed over.

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Snoota probably says this to all the girls:
No, no he didn't. He is simply executing the United States policy that every single Democrat in office voted for in 1997.

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Hey Snoota, thanks. That resolves a few things I've been wondering about for a while.

...I mean:

Hey Snoota you fucktard, thanks dickwad. That resolves a few things I've been wondering about for a while, like how you could twist your cross-dressing panties, which originally belonged to your mother before you retrofitted them from her monsterous thighs to your brittle chickadee legs, into such a convoluted knot that your undersized genitals were turned inside out, which stimulated you enough that you spilled your lifetime's supply of jizz into a thimble which was already half-full with your foreskin...dumbass.

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Also, re: Zair, I contend that not only does Somthor not belong in the U.S., but furthermore, his wrinkled, sore and distended ass has no business among the living in any country.

That said there may still be uses for him, outside of society.

I. The visionary Scott Adams raised the possibility of converting stupidity to energy. Somthor would be perfect for any number of such processes.
A. The first way to harness Somthor's vegetable-withering intellect would be the old hamster wheel. There are any number of ways to get his rubbery thighs into the wheel (which is then of course connected to some system of kinetic-energy harnessing thingies).
1. Tell him that if he runs for 20 hours straight he gets a free lotto ticket. Give him a four hour rest so that SPCAA or whatver doesn't get on us about cruelty to what they can only assume is a horrific genetic cross between the brains of the lemming, the lightning-quick reflexes of the lemur, the beautiful plummage of the slug and the testicular fortitude of the male seahorse (cmon, their wimmen get them to bear the children...and you thought Deth was whipped). Then at the end of each work-day give him a ticket to a 1996 lotto.
B. Harness all the hot air he generates using windmills. The windmill facility will be massive and contained, both to catch as much air as possible and to ensure that he is unable to contaminate the innocent populace.
C. Trick him into thinking he is cut-and-pasting a series of funny articles about a robber who posed for a replacement to goat.se while it was down, only to be busted for a local diamond theft because as he was stretching his anus, several testicle-sized gemstones fell out. But secretly each time while he is in contact with the mouse and in front of the computer electrodes drain his bioelectricity. It's kind of like the Matrix, only because Somthor is so fuckin' oblivious to his surroundings we could pull this off with a 486 hooked up with a 56k...and we wouldn't need more than one stupid article either.

Once Somthor's brain catches up to the fact that he has been running/talking/cut&pasting for so long that he should be fucking dead, we can still harvest his body parts in a number of fashions. For instance we can use the inside of his scrotum or his skull, to investigate quantum physics in a perfect vacuum. We can hang his body by the Pentagon as the equivalent of a scarecrow for terrorists. Or we can...fuck. I don't know, the rest of him is so weak and useless that even in death he has no purpose. Although he probably has enough blubber on him to end world hunger, it is doubtless contaminated with a mutant strain of leprosy that keeps its host alive long enough to infect others, and also travels through the internet. I mean, seriously. Every time this dumbfuck sneezes on his keyboard I can feel part of my cerebellum just withering up into a little black ball. And when I read his posts millions of brain cells cry out in agony and are then suddenly silenced. And if that's gonna happen to me I'd at least like it to be because I sipped some of Parce's brew or something.

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A sleep deprived Somthor stammered:
[QB]Just answer the questions. then insult me afterwords if you don't mind.

If people can get here illegaly and then find a job and recive guest status wont that just encourage more people to enter illegaly? Thus creating more of a security risk?

Also wouldnt people then get complacent about non nationals in the US to the extent they tend to ignore them and become less viligent to those who dont belong here?

Also how does this reward the people who take the time and make the effort to obey our immigration laws? why wait 3 years or more when you can just come do whatever you like and get guest status becuse taco bell cant find enough minimum wage workers for its drive through.[QB]

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Have you actually ever seen the paperwork for getting a tourist visa, let alone citizenship or a green card to the US if you're not from one of a choice few countries? You could quash a rat with that thing, friends of mine had to do a personal interview just to take a 2 week trip. I doubt your average illegal Mexican Taco Bell worker has the education or the money to pay a lawyer to deal with that.

People not being suspicious about a person that stands out as being a foreigner? Oh no god help us! Seriously, how would one even identify a foreigner in a mixed country such as the US short of asking everyone you meet for their passports?

You also disregard the sheer geographical scope of your border to Mexico, the amount of money it would take to effectively rig the whole border with mines, motion detectors turrets or whatever and man and maintain them would suffice to buy every illegal in the US a golden statue of GWB.

[ 01-20-2004: Message edited by: Shazorx / Modrakien ]

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Somthor's testicles broke free at last from their weak scrotal prison in the middle of this post:
Just answer the questions. then insult me afterwords if you don't mind.

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Hey buddy, in case you haven't noticed, we've already done both so many times in this thread that for you to ask again is like a dead horse beating its meat.

Still what we have is what we have, its punishing the persons who take the time and trouble to go through the process and rewarding the ones who break the law.

its not jsut mexico, you have illegals from cuba, russia china, etc etc. shouldnt be to hard to just say no US id no work, oh wait we have that its called an I-9 form fine the living hell out of the compaines who dont have the proper forms filled out, no jobs for illegals no hope of getting one? will greatly reduce the droves headed our way.

Mr Gunslinger I was asking Bloodsage not you, but even if you thought I was asking you...you didnt answer the 3 questions I asked. no one else has either except shazorx.

right now this isnt a debate, its a whole bunch of contradictions and shouting.

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Somthor's account was hax0red to write:
Mr Gunslinger I was asking Bloodsage not you, but even if you thought I was asking you...you didnt answer the 3 questions I asked. no one else has either except shazorx.

right now this isnt a debate, its a whole bunch of contradictions and shouting.

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Psst buddy, take a look again at the thread title.

That's right...YOU'RE ON CANDID FLAMEWARRIOR!

dumbass. Were you expecting immunity from flames in a thread partially devoted to flaming you specifically, when in fact people will tend to flame you even in threads marked ? I mean I wouldn't flame you anywhere but here (for the most part, you'll see I've taken pains to remain civil, in accordance with my sig), but posting in this thread for as long as you have is like the time you stuck that dildo that was painted to resemble a bulls-eye into your ass while in prison.

I mean, geez.

And along those lines might I suggest that anyone whose pea-sized cranium can somehow find itself genuinely in this crap haul their smurf-blue asses to another thread and quit stinking up our fire and brimstone?

[ 01-20-2004: Message edited by: Gunslinger Moogle ]

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Somthor had this to say about Reading Rainbow:

Still what we have is what we have, its punishing the persons who take the time and trouble to go through the process and rewarding the ones who break the law.

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I'd like someone to try and refute this, as it is essentially my position on the subject as well.

I don't believe anyone has yet, and sorry if they had and I missed it. Hell, what Modrakian said in his first paragraph practically supported it.

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Gunslinger Moogle thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Psst buddy, take a look again at the thread title.

That's right...YOU'RE ON CANDID FLAMEWARRIOR!

dumbass. Were you expecting immunity from flames in a thread partially devoted to flaming you specifically, when in fact people will tend to flame you even in threads marked ? I mean I wouldn't flame you anywhere but here (for the most part, you'll see I've taken pains to remain civil, in accordance with my sig), but posting in this thread for as long as you have is like the time you stuck that dildo that was painted to resemble a bulls-eye into your ass while in prison.

I mean, geez.

And along those lines might I suggest that anyone whose pea-sized cranium can somehow find itself genuinely in this crap haul their smurf-blue asses to another thread and quit stinking up our fire and brimstone?

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I think you were more memorable when you were inanimate

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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Gunslinger Moogle said:
Psst buddy, take a look again at the thread title.

That's right...YOU'RE ON CANDID FLAMEWARRIOR!

dumbass. Were you expecting immunity from flames in a thread partially devoted to flaming you specifically, when in fact people will tend to flame you even in threads marked [IMG]

I mean, geez.

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you still dindt answer the questions I asked, nor has anyone else. so you are wrong.

Its a flame thread yes but its also supposed to be a debate, now if you use insults and the like to get your point accross thats fine but you are not making anypoint your just running your mouth. you want to flame me thats cool and all but its kinda lame to flame in respose to a post about a topic that you add nothing to.

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Zair had this to say about Duck Tales:
And that doesn't make what I said any less relevant, truly.

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Indeed. I didn't intend to give the impression that it wasn't any less relevant. I may have been unsuccessful..

Illegals do not, in general, love the country they are "fleeing" to. They probably just hate it less than the country they are trying to get away from, or (in a majority of cases) see it as 'easy pickings' for setting themselves up with a new (easier perhaps?) life.

However, people choosing to emigrate into the US, again in general, probably love the country to as much (or possible more) extent than some American citizens. Afterall, many countries (such as Australia) require you to give up citizenship of that country should you seek to emigrate elsewhere (case in point: Had I married my ex- 2 years ago, I would now (probably) be an American citizen in my own right (as opposed to citizenship via marriage), and would have had to renounce my Australian citizenship to do so. In that case, I would have been an American, and would have considered that country as my homeland.)

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Blindy's comment was pointless, false, and another attempt to jump on the "OMG Somthor sucks" bandwagon.

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I disagree. It can be argued that the only true American citizens are those of direct descent from the original indian tribes (just as it is frequently argued that the only true Australians are the Aborigines, and that Anglo-Australians are 'invaders'). Both arguements have valid points for and against. Blindy may just be taking one of those views (that anglo-Americans in this case) are 'invaders', and hence not 'true Americans'. Whether or not he is correct in that opinion is open to debate.

It doesn't mean, in my view, that he has jumped on any other bandwagon, unless you chose to interpret his words in a certain fashion... which could make you as guilty of jumping on the "OMG Blindy sucks" bandwagon....

Do you see what I mean?

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Neo-Blindy wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
by rewarding, you mean giving a temporary 3 year worker's visa? Big whup. They are working their asses off to stay in america. I think they diserve it as much as the guy who's filling out paperwork.

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If two people acheive the same goal, one legally and one illegally, how do they deserve it equally?

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So quoth Somthor:
you still dindt answer the questions I asked, nor has anyone else. so you are wrong.

Its a flame thread yes but its also supposed to be a debate, now if you use insults and the like to get your point accross thats fine but you are not making anypoint your just running your mouth. you want to flame me thats cool and all but its kinda lame to flame in respose to a post about a topic that you add nothing to.

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I'm just going to be frank with you since you seem a little slow on the uptake here.

Nothing I have said in this thread thus far has been serious in any sense, unless the 'auditions' are going to lead to some sort of final contest in which we must flame to the tune of Britney Spears or whatnot. All of it has been for the sake of playing the little game that is FlameWarrior. It is a little callous to be using you as a target, or disrupting your nice little debate, and maybe it is even a bit dogmatic of me not to allow this thread to take its course and blossom from the fertilizer of its beginnings into a ripe lotus of beautiful and logical arguments.

However the debate was rather...contaminated before I posted, as you note when you say it's just 'shouting and contradiction'. And in any case it's a flame thread. Therefore, theoretically, anything goes. That alone doesn't make it right of course - just because it won't get me banned doesn't neccesarily mean I should do it, morally - but at this point in the post I have grown tired of the likely futile exercise of explaining this to you* so I'll just say this:

If you don't like what I have to say, ignore my posts in this thread. Just scroll right on by. That's also something those people who get irritated by Somthor should remember before losing their nuts. There's a little button by each of his posts that will make any hurt in your brain go away...

*I know this is an 'EC fallacy'; however, empirical studies of previous posting trends would reveal that it would, in fact, most likely be pointless to try to work this out to Somthor. I would not do this in any circumstance except when it was actually true. And anyway it's kind of inherently pointless by the axiom of 'arguing on the net is like running in the Special Olympics'. Not that I'm discouraging meaningful debate, mind you, because it can often bring about new knowledge. Just sayin.

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Gunslinger Moogle had this to say about John Romero:
I'm just going to be frank with you since you seem a little slow on the uptake here.

Nothing I have said in this thread thus far has been serious in any sense, unless the 'auditions' are going to lead to some sort of final contest in which we must flame to the tune of Britney Spears or whatnot. All of it has been for the sake of playing the little game that is FlameWarrior. It is a little callous to be using you as a target, or disrupting your nice little debate, and maybe it is even a bit dogmatic of me not to allow this thread to take its course and blossom from the fertilizer of its beginnings into a ripe lotus of beautiful and logical arguments.

However the debate was rather...contaminated before I posted, as you note when you say it's just 'shouting and contradiction'. And in any case it's a flame thread. Therefore, theoretically, anything goes. That alone doesn't make it right of course - just because it won't get me banned doesn't neccesarily mean I should do it, morally - but at this point in the post I have grown tired of the likely futile exercise of explaining this to you* so I'll just say this:

If you don't like what I have to say, ignore my posts in this thread. Just scroll right on by. That's also something those people who get irritated by Somthor should remember before losing their nuts. There's a little button by each of his posts that will make any hurt in your brain go away...

*I know this is an 'EC fallacy'; however, empirical studies of previous posting trends would reveal that it would, in fact, most likely be pointless to try to work this out to Somthor. I would not do this in any circumstance except when it was actually true. And anyway it's kind of inherently pointless by the axiom of 'arguing on the net is like running in the Special Olympics'. Not that I'm discouraging meaningful debate, mind you, because it can often bring about new knowledge. Just sayin.

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I'm slow, your right. I'm sorry forgive me ?

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How.... Somthor.... uughhhhhh:
I'm slow, your right. I'm sorry forgive me ?

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I contribute nothing else, except to wonder why a flame thread is suddenyl turning smurfy....

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Zair likes to scream this out during sex:
If two people acheive the same goal, one legally and one illegally, how do they deserve it equally?

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Where you draw the line on punishment? We're talking about starving people here. They didn't rob the bank, they just came to America and have been working ever since to make a life for themselves. If you leave off the fact that they snuck in, they are the role model for everything we claim to be good in America- someone working their tail off and enjoying the freedom that that hard work brings.

The reason we don't want them there, unless you're just being racist, is that they screw up our economy. Hey, this plan takes a big chunk out of that problem. I'm all for it because of this.

And all you people out there filling out paperwork to get a visa, bitch i had a 52 page tax form to turn in last year. the worlds smallest violin (scaled to the proportions of somethor's penis) is playing a song just for you.

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This insanity brought to you by Neo-Blindy:
i had a 52 page tax form to turn in last year

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Mine was about the same length too... I think 48 pages in total, excluding copies of receipts for claims..

..and you're right it was a

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bitch

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to complete...

fucking governments.. fucking taxes...

FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKERS I SAY!

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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Abbikat said:
Lots of stuff

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Yeah, I understand what you are getting at. I interperted what Blindy said in the most literal way, arguing that he does belong here purely for legal reasons. But now that I think of it, I probably wouldnt have agrued so literally if I hadn't read "immigrant" as "illegal". So, in otherwords, I should probably be more flexible with the English language

[ 01-20-2004: Message edited by: Zair ]

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King Parcelan thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Take THAT, Liam and Trent!

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LOL

[ 01-20-2004: Message edited by: Gunslinger Moogle ]

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Somthor spewed forth this undeniable truth:
which means unless you live in the Tampa Bay area

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Wait... you live in Tampa... well I guess I can say I live in St. Pete.

PS I clicked the box again... what does this mean

-Tok

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Somthor painfully thought these words up:
For the simple reason I am curious to know. doesnt look like anyone has other than me and Bloodsage or if they have they are going to give me the satisfaction of knowing.

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Don't ever compare yourself to me, in any respect. Any idiot with no prospects, no talent, and no use other than cannon fodder can do what you did. Serving a single enlistment does not make you a $upar Pa+tri0t worthy of awe, nor give you the right to pronounce from the mountain wisdom gleaned from the gods.

STFU already.

Face it: you have nothing in common with me. Not a thing. Trying to latch onto my coattails to mooch credibility cannot work, and serves only to annoy me. You have no hope of earning the simple respect that comes with knowing what the fuck you're talking about, or even of expressing an opinion coherently, whether right or wrong.

Get the clue and go away.

Tragedy struck when Bloodsage got footsore from stepping on Vorbis' face. But like the soldier he was, he carried on and triumphed.

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Somthor had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Still what we have is what we have, its punishing the persons who take the time and trouble to go through the process and rewarding the ones who break the law.

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Because applying for a green card is so much more difficult than leaving everything you own and sneaking across a guarded border.

Yea! You're in America! Now you have to find a place to live, not to mention a job, in a foreign country that's completely unfamiliar to you. Don't forget that you don't speak English!

Which would you prefer?

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A sleep deprived Bloodsage stammered:
Don't ever compare yourself to me, in any respect. :

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So sensitive.

So tell me Bloodsage you get out to the hot zones anymore or are you kinda desk bound these days?

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Verily, Neo-Blindy doth proclaim:
Next time I read about a dead immigrant in the desert of Arizona, I'll make sure to cry for the people who are filling out paperwork. What hardship!

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Well that's what I meant to say, if they had the means to everyone who isn't completely braindead would prefer regular channels.

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Somthor attempted to be funny by writing:
So sensitive.

So tell me Bloodsage you get out to the hot zones anymore or are you kinda desk bound these days?

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You're an idiot, go away.

What the fuck makes you think I'd give you the time of day?

I thought this was supposed to be a flame thread. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to put things back on track. Lets get the big players out of the way first shall we?

Bloodsage,
You are an arrogant, opinionated, elitist bastard without the common courtesy to give whomever you're fucking over a reacharound; then probably filch ass through a straw afterwards.

Your "my way or the highway" attitude is bigoted, pathetic, close-minded, and utterly disgusting and your blatant lack of both taste and tact is appalling.

Parcelan,
Wow. You're nothing but an insensitive, egotistical, greedy, selfish praire pig. You're usually, if not always, the first to put someone down and you are always critical.

You're almost as elitist as Bloodsage. Hell, even he doesn't look as far down his nose as you do. I'm surprised you don't choke on the sheer quantity of untreated sewage that erupts every time you open your mouth, and I sure as hell don't know how you manage to stand the stench.

Blindy,
You just plain blow. If you're not trying to ape Parcelan's caustic rhetoric, then you're blathering inanely about your latest sexual conquest. You're a skanky, promiscuous, womanizing piece of flesh with more brains in the head downstairs than the one on top of your shoulders!

Toktuk,
You never have anything to say. Your mouth spews words, but they're as empty as your vocabulary. You're a throwback to whatever the hell some moronic scientist thinks we're related to this week. Go forth, fill the earth and subdue it, and grow a cerebellum and a pair of frontal lobes while you're at it.

Somthor,
I would insult you also, but it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Besides, I'm all out of creativity and the magnitude of your stupidity is beyond words anyway.

This should spice things up nicely!