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[J] thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Nobody knows that for sure, theres been theories from amino acids to mitochondria about what we are defficiant of, some of which are fairly interesting.
Being deficient in mitochondria doesn't make you want to drink blood, it just keeps you from being a Jedi.
Seriously, anything you can find in blood you can find elsewhere. You just have to figure out where.
Have you tried cooking in a cast iron skillet? That adds iron to the food.
How about some protien and amino acid suplements that you can buy at health food stores?
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Skaw wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Hey guys, my mitochondria is evolving, like in Parasite Eve
That's fucking great, dude! Now you're a member of the MITOCHOLORKOR! That's right, anyone who feels uncomfortable about anything can now romanticize their lack of individuality by turning it into some far-fetched myth!
Feel the urge to drink blood? You're not a freak, you're a VAMPYRE!
Want to have sex with animals? You're not insane, you're a WOLF AT HEART!
Have a problem with liberals? You're not a conservative, you're a DESTINY GUARD!
Don't like mondays? You're not a dude that hates going to work or school, you're a HUNTER OF THE DAWN!
Can't get laid? You're not pathetic, you're a WERE-DIPSHIT!
Psychosomatic? I Think Not!
by Sarasvati Faolchú
one of the common things I hear when I get e-mails from the curious and skeptical is "How do you know its not all just psychosomatic?" or "How do you know its not just an addiction?" The short answer is that 100%, I don't know... the long answer is I am pretty much 99% sure it's not... and here is why:
1) Psychosomatic signs are generally present after the inciting cause. Take a psychological addiction such as some drugs for example. A person takes the drug, it causes certain feelings of euphoria and pleasure, the person likes that. Thus, they want the drug so they can feel that again. If they don't get the drug, they feel edgy, twitchy, may vomit, etc. The important thing to note, is that the withdrawal symptoms happened AFTER the addiction had established. If sanguinarianism is an addiction, it would be the first and only addiction in which the "withdrawal" symptoms occur BEFORE the "drug" had even been taken. Most sanguins experience the pain, nausea, headaches, etc BEFORE they taste blood. Drinking the blood then makes these problems go away: headaches clear, nausea dissipates, and pain goes away.
2) "Maybe you wanted to be a vampire so badly your mind convinced your body?" IF this were the case, my mind would convince my body it was the kind of vampire commonly seen in books, movies, and games. Therefor, I would have convinced myself I had fangs, would combust in the sun, I would be repulsed by garlic and crosses, unable to cross running water, and doing my hair and makeup in the morning would be VERY hard, as my mind would convince myself I couldn't see my own reflection. Instead, the ONLY thing consistent with all the Hollywood hype is the blood drinking, and even that is not really the same. So, lets make an easy visual chart. I've been told visuals are good...
Trait Fiction } Sanguin
Blood Drinking: Yes } Yes
Fangs: most Yes, } a few
Repelled by Crosses/Garlic: Yes } usually No
Gastrointestinal Problems?: Can't eat food at all} Vomiting, diarrhea, nausea
Headaches: No } Yes
Reflection in Mirror?: No } Yes
Method of Feeding: Bite/Attack } Voluntary
Amount of Blood Drank: Enough to kill } Small amount
"Turned" Yes } No
Combust in the Sun Yes } No
Why the "usually"? Because the fiction of the vampire is VAST. Authors take the legends and past fiction and vary them to their own creativity. Reading all the fiction, or watching all the movies you get a huge variety. So, I focused on the major books and movies I knew. There are exceptions.
3) I started having related problems in 1992 (the headaches mostly, later nausea and the rest), I first tasted blood in 1994... problems cleared... I found the online sanguin/vampire groups in 1998. Soooo... I had all the signs and problems BEFORE knowing there were others who had almost exactly the same problems. Its really hard to believe that a large group of people could all exhibit the same signs and symptoms before talking to each other. Especially since the signs have little to nothing to do with the fictional concept of the vampire.
So where does this leave us? Alone, hopefully, at least some what. Please realize we run our own circles often enough. We doubt, we fear, and the pain brings us back and reminds us again what we are...but not why. No one likes to be reminded of their doubts, least of all those stuck somewhere between science, mythology, and skepticism. These are the things that haunt my mind every time someone asks one of the questions at the top. I believe its not, because there is too much, in my mind, to say it is.
It's a whole lot of nothing. Here, let me summarize for everyone:
sang's are addicted to blood before having blood
we feel good after having blood
we're not like hollywood vampires
And then we get this retelling of his problems, with Nausea, sickness, etc.
Now really, You get sick for 2 years, and decide to drink blood as the answer.
o.k.
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Palador ChibiDragon stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Being deficient in mitochondria doesn't make you want to drink blood, it just keeps you from being a Jedi.
Just for the very unlikely chance that you're not joking:
You're thinking of midichlorians.
Mitochondria are an essential part of every living cell.
It'd have about the same effect as constantly being short of breath/make you a vegetable/kill you right out.
It gets funny, then just pathetic, and then ticks back up the hill and does another dive of funny again.
It's not something people hear about.
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From the book of [J], chapter 3, verse 16:
Well thats the thing we just don't know the results an MRI would have
That's why you should go get an fMRI, to find out what it shows. If you knew the results you wouldn't really need to have an MRI. It's like saying 'I don't really know if my wife's pregnant so I better not give her a pregnancy test' :-p
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
But when observed in your native habitat, ie your board back there, most of you go back to trying to claim you have ehnanced strength, agility, and night vision and all other sorts of whacked out crap.
You only seem to act like you're suffering a disease when you want to lend legitimacy to your argument. Because of this I still don't even think your vampirism is psychosomatic: I think you're just making it up.
I mean, seriously, you just happen to be suffering from a "condition" that mimicks the behavior of a certain hollywood monster, and these monsters just happen to be dark, powerful, and sexy. Despite this amazing coincidence, no legitimate scientific or medical institution has dedicated a single hour of study to the phenomenon.
And you find it surprising that people don't believe you?
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Gydyon wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
omg u dont understand my psychosomatic disorder......
Gydyon, or; How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Buffalo Wing.
It's not something people hear about.
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Gydyon Model 2000 was programmed to say:
omg u dont understand my psychosomatic disorder......
You're not really a lawyer. Those are just mythical creatures of the night popularized by Hollywood. Stop bragging about all your "litigation powers", and whining over the fact that you must take the wings of the living to remain "undead".
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
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[J] tried to impress everyone with:
Nobody knows that for sure, theres been theories from amino acids to mitochondria about what we are defficiant of, some of which are fairly interesting.
You realize that if you were to drink blood, it'd be digested, not absorbed, right? The fact that blood has mitochondria is only interesting to your digestive tract, who would promptly strip those interesting mitochondria for parts.
As for the amino acids, you can get those from a lot of places -- many of which in better amounts that you'd get from your average pint of blood.
Combine that with the fact that you've already said you can replace your blood habit with sugar and it sounds like your not a "vampire", you're just a "diabetic".
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Tarquinn had this to say about John Romero:
Just for the very unlikely chance that you're not joking:You're thinking of midichlorians.
Mitochondria are an essential part of every living cell.
Of course I was joking. But, as they are essential, a lack really would keep you from being a Jedi. (And doing other things, like breathing or having a heart beat.)
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With great fanfare, [J] proclamed:
Their just theories, there from vamps trying to give a more medical explaination towards our condition instead of the occult version, which is that we are lacking "psi energy" which i have trouble believing.
I can personally assure you, a lack of psi energy has nothing to do with any need to drink blood. If it did, I would be downing a Big Guip of blood every day.
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Gunslinger Moogle had this to say about John Romero:
You're not really a lawyer. Those are just mythical creatures of the night popularized by Hollywood. Stop bragging about all your "litigation powers", and whining over the fact that you must take the wings of the living to remain "undead".
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Palador ChibiDragon painfully thought these words up:
I can personally assure you, a lack of psi energy has nothing to do with any need to drink blood. If it did, I would be downing a Big Guip of blood every day.
Please assure me as to what psi energy is 
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[J] had this to say about Duck Tales:
Actually many of us would jump at an idea, to see if this is a psychological disorder or not. So if this sounds like were whining for attension but its true that we don't want to suffer from this condition.
Bullshit.
Then why aren't all of you in counseling/therapy/padded rooms? Just spend 30 seconds telling the shrink any of this self-deluding bullshit that flies in the face not only of modern medicine but of logical thought as well, and you can get help. The ones debating whether the nookie's better on the astral or etherial planes can accomplish the same thing in 5 seconds.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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[J] enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Nobody knows that for sure, theres been theories from amino acids to mitochondria about what we are defficiant of, some of which are fairly interesting.
I'm going to take an even more basic tack than the others who've shot your ideas full of holes. . .just because I'm annoyed you people only come out when I'm not here.
Do you have the faintest idea what a theory is? Have you ever heard of Occam's razor?
Learn those two concepts, and then come back here for more taunting.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Liam said:
Please assure me as to what psi energy is
Sorry, I can't really explain. I do believe there probably is such a thing, but I'm not sure just what it is yet. However, I figure science will someday figure it out.
However, a couple of different and unrelated people have informed me that I'm a "black hole" for psychic energy. (The phrases "power sink" and "sucking black void" have also been used.) So, if a lack of psychic energy can indeed give you cravings for blood, I would be seriously messed up.
Instead, I just have headaches, canine teeth that tried to grow in outside the normal row of teeth as fangs, and problems with sunlight. But blood does nothing for me. In fact, it tastes pretty damned crappy.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
I'd start a vampire debate thread, but then I'd be accused of attention whoring and the same thing would happen in that thread, too.
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Maradon! was naked while typing this:
I still think that all the mocking and derisive posts, though funny, really detract from those of us who are looking to legitmately and soundly perforate the claims of those the vampires.I'd start a vampire debate thread, but then I'd be accused of attention whoring and the same thing would happen in that thread, too.
At some point, though, you have to acknowledge that anyone who can believe anything so ridiculous is utterly immune to logical argument. Therefore, it's not only okay to taunt them. . .but it's really the only thing you can do.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
1. Psi Energy:
Psi energy is referenced by the glowing blue bar. If you do not have a glowing blue bar, then you are either a non-psychic, or are in need of regenerating your blue bar. Do not confuse your Psi Energy (also called "Mana" or "Magic" with your Blood Pool (the red bar) or the Ethereal Energy (the glowing green bar).
1a. Regenerating your Psi Energy:
You can regenerate your psi energy by one of several ways:
a. Absorb the hemogoblins (note spelling) in blood. Those rascally little devils are notorious for sneaking into your bloodstream and stealing precious resources like oxygen and iron. It goes to reason that you need to consume them to recover your Psi Energy.
b. Sugar. Lots of sugar. And caffeine. What sets you apart from diabetics is the fact that diabetics have better taste in fashion, and you couldn't POSSIBLY be nerds (who consume an awful lot of Mountain Dew, which is high in sugar and caffeine) because you stay up all night, have pasty white complexions, and...er...wait a minute. Disregard Item B.
c. Meditation is the method favored by those professing magical powers like astral projection. You essentially sit still for long periods of time. This isn't sleep! It's a form of self-induced hibernation. You will periodically have visions. These are not dreams! They are interactions on the astral plane. Beware of psychic rapists. Oh yes and that sexual encounter you had in your dreams was really real! You just have to find the right person who had the same connection you did.
2. Your Blood Pool and You: A User's Guide:
The red bar indicates a blood pool. It's a measure of how much life you have, and as Bram Stoker wrote through the character of Renfield (if you don't know who Renfield is, then you're clearly not hip to vampyrie chic), "Blood is Life". Your blood pool represents both how much useable blood you have in your system, and how much time you have before feeding. Oddly enough, everyone has a blood pool. People without the vampyrie burden seldom seem to see their red bars, though, which is (in theory) why they dislike us so much. Unlike us, they're not able to regulate their body's needs, and as such are usually a bit off kilter, making them dangerous to live with.
2a. Recovering your blood pool is not as difficult as you might think. Simply find a willing source of acquiring blood. This is the easy part. The hard part is finding someone (or something) that will let you willingly let you drink their blood. Most humans, sadly enough, are addicted to the company of the hemogoblins running loose in their blood streams. It's a bit like a cult. In any case, in the old days, people openly admitted the superiority of vampyries and it was much easier to get blood. These days, you have to work for it.
2ai. Friends...you don't have any, so it won't matter.
2aii. Family...maybe, if you have a younger, impressionable sibling or stepsibling to bully.
2aiii. Family Pets...this is what you will inevitably end up resorting to in the end. It's poor eating, but it does recover nutrients. Just act surprised when your little sister discovers her pet gerbil missing. And always remember to dispose of gerbils humanely. Feed them to the cat.
2b. How much time you have is largely dependant on your personal needs. Unfortunately, there is no tried and true method. Half-Vampyries (often called Dampyries for some reason) usually can't swallow as much blood as the true Vampyries. Usually you'll start vomiting once you've consumed your maximum amount. This is good as it makes room in your stomach for more.
2bi. If blood starts coming out any of the other seven or so likely orifices, you may have over-fed. Heaven help you if it shoots out your rectum.
2bii. For some reason vampyrie women continue to menstruate...they will frequently act in bewildering ways, and often seem to be out for more blood than usual. As vampyrie researchers seldom interact with real mortal women, there is no information as to whether this behavior is normal or some mutation of the vampyrie curse in females.
3. Ethereal Energy: Soul Train? Or Merely Solid Gold?
Ethereal (also known as divine or unholy/holy/infernal/celestial) energy is indicated by the glowing green bar. If you have to ask why it's glowing green, or simply don't see it, then you haven't been paying attention to the right media and materials (Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2, etc). Ethereal energy represents a connection to the "other side", and the amount of energy you possess reflects your ability to manipulate the fabric of reality (shapeshifting, dimensional warping, etc). Most people don't have access to this, and the ones that do tend to be asshats.
3a. Recovering your Ethereal Energy is easy...once again, hemogoblins are to blame. Why science has never explored this avenue of scientific inquiry is unclear, but like most everything else, hemogoblins invade the body, steal vital nutrients, and then make off with them. The easiest way to recover hemogoblins is to take them from someone else's blood, because they think they're safe (they're obviously not safe in your body which is why they're not there, and why you need them). You're really doing those other people a favor, which is why so many religions (good and bad) believe or have believed in ritual bloodletting. True fact.
...More later as revelations develop.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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A sleep deprived Palador ChibiDragon stammered:
Sorry, I can't really explain. I do believe there probably is such a thing, but I'm not sure just what it is yet. However, I figure science will someday figure it out.However, a couple of different and unrelated people have informed me that I'm a "black hole" for psychic energy. (The phrases "power sink" and "sucking black void" have also been used.) So, if a lack of psychic energy can indeed give you cravings for blood, I would be seriously messed up.
Instead, I just have headaches, canine teeth that tried to grow in outside the normal row of teeth as fangs, and problems with sunlight. But blood does nothing for me. In fact, it tastes pretty damned crappy.
Is this a joke? I kinda hope it is.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Captain Planet:
Beware of psychic rapists. Oh yes and that sexual encounter you had in your dreams was really real! You just have to find the right person who had the same connection you did.
"Doctor, I'm telling you, it's not a malignant tumor! I was psychically raped and now I'm pregnant!"
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
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King Parcelan was listening to Cher while typing:
Make Will check to resist Psychic Drain.
Ego Whip! Ego Whip!
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Only time vampirism is even close to being real, is in one specific metabolic disorder(its actually a combination of seven, but ohwell) Porphyria.
Porphyria- This disease is actually a collective name for seven rare diseases that were first identified in the nineteenth century. The Porphyrias are metabolic disorders caused by an enzyme deficiency that inhibits the synthesis of heme. Heme is the iron containing pigment in hemoglobin. The more extreme forms of Porphyria are characterized by an extreme sensitivity to light. In addition, skin lesions may develop and the teeth become brown or reddish-brown in color. The gums recede and give the canine teeth a "fang-like" look. Certain chemicals, especially those found in garlic, can make the symptoms of Porphyria worsen. The name Porphyria comes from the Greek porphyros, meaning reddish-purple and refers to a substance found in the blood and urine of a person with the disease.
In 1964, L. Illis' article, "On Porphyria and the Aetiology of Werewolves" suggested that Porphyria could account for the reports of werewolves. In 1985, David Dolphin presented a paper to the American Association for the Advancement of Science and suggested the Porphyria might explain the reports of vampires. He noted that one treatment for the disease was the injection of heme. Dolphin further suggested that people suffering from Porphyria in past centuries attempted to drink the blood of others as a means of relieving their symptoms. This recessive genetic disorder was especially prevalent among nobleman in eastern Europe because royalty had a tendency to marry within the same family. Dolphin's ideas were widely publicized and were the subject of much debate.
I would like to note that this disease in MALIGNANT! If you suffer from this, SEE YOUR DAMN DOCTOR! If you feel you are becoming a vampire, this might be the cause.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Cysa The Clown said:
Time for facts of reality children(of the night).Only time vampirism is even close to being real, is in one specific metabolic disorder(its actually a combination of seven, but ohwell) Porphyria.
Porphyria
Yeah, I remember hearing somewhere about a 'oooh spoooky VAMPIRE DISEASE' except it really wasn't. And this is it.
Although I would be pretty surprised if even one 'vampyre' actually HAD this...and I would eat my pants from the knee down if somehow any more than, say, five of them actually have it.
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Liam probably says this to all the girls:
Is this a joke? I kinda hope it is.
The bit about being called a psychic black hole? Nope, really has happened. But black holes don't do anything but sit there and suck, so life goes on. (Why do I set myself up for insults like that?)
The teeth? True again. My teeth are wider than the structure of my mouth allows for, so they didn't have room to grow in at the right places, and got pushed forward. Some teeth were pulled, retainers were worn. Unless you know to look for it, you can't even tell now. (Edit: Though, as a kid, I wanted to keep them like that.)
Sunlight? My eyes are a bit too light sensitive, and I burn instead of tanning. Annoying, but nothing actually out of the ordinary. I'm just a bit too close to the crappy end of the bell curve.
Headaches? Aside from the occasional caffeine withdrawl problems I run into, I have a hard time letting to of stress. Stress causes headaches, as does exposure to light that's a bit too bright (as mentioned in the sunlight part).
Except for the "black hole" bit, it's all perfectly normal. (And I'll admit that that part could be just some strange luck.) It just comes together to make me someone that you would expect to be a "vampyre". Lucky for me I know better.
Coca Cola > Blood [ 01-15-2004: Message edited by: Palador ChibiDragon ]
it came to my attention recently that many people from my board are still posting here, and something hit me, you guys are right. we are attention whoring, in a certain respect. we will never convince you that we are anything more than whinny teens with emotional problems, so there really is no point in being here. now, i still maintain that i am a "vampire" and that it is a real condition, but to try to convince you of the validity of this condition would be moot. it's just not worth the time. so, in a way, you guys where right, we had no reason to be hear, and so, where in effect, whoring ourselves (or rather, our condition) out for your responses. i honestly don't care what you guys think of me, and when i realized what it was that i was doing i stopped posting. but, i'm writing this to tell you that i have done my best to convince the others on the sight not to post hear any more. to do so would simply be a wast of everyones time.
so, sorry for all the problems, and thanks to those of you that actually kept an open mind to us. to the rest, i would tell you to fuck off, but essentially you where right (not about our condition mind you, but about or pointless motives for being here). so i suppose i have no right to insult you (other than being rather childish in you replies, but i guess that's just in your nature).
this WILL be my final post, and hopefully, the last one made buy anyone from "our" sight.
it was... erm, interesting to have know you all.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent King Parcelan said:
Five bucks says he's not done posting.
I'm a sappy teenage idealist. I like to believe that people are fundamentally good at heart.
Bitter cynicism hasn't kicked in yet
