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MadCat the 2nd had this to say about Pirotess:
Considering Kekvit has a history, and I'm not entirely convinced Em would've asked for it, I've made that statement. I also made a snap remark because I'm quite pissed at a lot of people (not necessarily from EC) that always assume "she must've asked for it".

On the other hand, for all I know she could've asked for it - then again, he should've just said 'no' - from the way it looks however, he more or less pushed it on her.

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Yeah, I know, which is why I didn't attack you either.

If you had talked to Addy though, you'd probably find out she wasn't going the "Oh she must have been asking for it" route. It was more casting doubt on the honesty of both sides, not defending the action that took place, as pretty much everyone unanimously condems it.

Either way it's just fucked up, and Kekvit needs serious help and serious punishment.

That said, let's have a big orgy. Where's the 'love' tag for this forum?

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Cool Hand Luke wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I do not wish to get too involved, but I can guarantee you that Emily is at least partially to blame. Kekvit is the main culprit to be sure, but past experiences show that they would both share some of the blame. I cannot believe either of them to be innocent in what took place.

That said, let's have a big orgy. Where's the 'love' tag for this forum?

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This is Flameball. We don't do love here. If you want love or an orgy, ask Drysart to make a Fuckball forum

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Faelynn LeAndris startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
Try asking some of the people who have been involved with her most recently, aside fron her most recent being Tier.

I like Tier, and concider him a friend, so not my place to go dredging up dirt.

I also didn't say it was in defense of him, as I think I already quite clearly condemed the action. Just the fact that Em has a tendency to be a bit more that just 'friendly' on occasion, and has a history of such.

And the fact of jumping on Addy for basically saying such about Em being the way she is, and being attacked for it when she wasn't even defending the action either, didn't really fit.

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So, what you're actually saying is that you have no additional information about this incident that suggests she asked Kekvit for a video of him masturbating. That's how I read what you said, anyway.

So you think Em is lying when she stated what happened? Based on what? All you've just said is that she "has a history" of being flirty.

BFD.

If you're not willing to lay out the facts as you know them, you should've kept your mouth shut. The airy, "Oh, I know better than you, but I'm not going to explain myself," is bullshit, and you know it.

Finally, folks should realize that when MadCat and I agree 100% on an issue, there's really no point in arguing. Given the facts as explained in this thread, Em bears no responsibility whatsoever for his reprehensible behavior .

Hell, when Sage and MC agree on something 100%.. it's the coming of armageddon!

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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Cool Hand Luke gently hums:
I do not wish to get too involved, but I can guarantee you that Emily is at least partially to blame. Kekvit is the main culprit to be sure, but past experiences show that they would both share some of the blame. I cannot believe either of them to be innocent in what took place.

That said, let's have a big orgy. Where's the 'love' tag for this forum?

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So you think she's lying to us, and she actually, literally, asked Kekvit to make a masturbation video and send it to her?

And, in a similar vein, if a minor were to ask an adult to go down on her, you'd consider it her fault rather than his if he were arrested?

And if you ask me, none of this is any of our buisness. If Em wants to make a big deal out of it, she will. Otherwise, stop dredging up the painful memories if this was such a horrible ordeal for her.

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KaLourin's account was hax0red to write:
*gets in the bunker*

Hell, when Sage and MC agree on something 100%.. it's the coming of armageddon!

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Move over some.. I think you're right

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Absolut Blindy thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
This is flame ball. Stop having a civil conversation, you donkey fuckers.

And if you ask me, none of this is any of our buisness. If Em wants to make a big deal out of it, she will. Otherwise, stop dredging up the painful memories if this was such a horrible ordeal for her.

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Hm, so we have this pedophile here, that's done this before, and your sage advice is "just ignore it and it will go away".

Smart, Blindy, real smart. I mean, how fucking stupid are you?

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Verily, Bloodsage doth proclaim:

And, in a similar vein, if a minor were to ask an adult to go down on her, you'd consider it her fault rather than his if he were arrested?

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Honestly?

Not the minors fault the adult was arrested, cause he's still an idiot and it was wrong. But she did ask for it, and did instigate it, so the minor is not completely innocent in the affiar either.

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Savannah / Emily was doing great, then they had to go and say:
Blindy, I told a few people at first what had happened, at first I thought in confidence. And then about 5 minutes later, I started getting IM's from people on the boards asking me if I was "okay", and when I logged into IRC, everyone already knew about it. 0_o

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Sorry that had to happen to you. I hate it when people air out other's laundry.

The 7th circle of hell is reserved for mutaneers, betrayers, and gosippers.

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The logic train ran off the tracks when Absolut Blindy said:
Sorry that had to happen to you. I hate it when people air out other's laundry.

The 7th circle of hell is reserved for mutaneers, betrayers, and gosippers.

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And where do people like Kekvit end up then Blindy? I think you've got your priorities wired the wrong way son, better clue up.

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Bloodsage obviously shouldn't have said:
And, in a similar vein, if a minor were to ask an adult to go down on her, you'd consider it her fault rather than his if he were arrested?

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Both would be at fault, which is what Snoota is saying.

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Verily, MadCat the 2nd doth proclaim:
And where do people like Kekvit end up then Blindy? I think you've got your priorities wired the wrong way son, better clue up.

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You do know he's referring to Dante's Inferno, don't you?

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Gydfather impressed everyone with:
And this sort of nonsense is why Krissy will never be on Evercrest, ever.

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Heeeey, Gyd. Have her address handy? I've got a, ah, boquet of flowers and a copy of The Crying Game here for her.

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Gydfather painfully thought these words up:
And this sort of nonsense is why Krissy will never be on Evercrest, ever.

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Because the real world is much more sugar coated then EC?

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This insanity brought to you by JooJooFlop:
You do know he's referring to Dante's Inferno, don't you?

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Yup... but if he's so fond of mentioning that, he might do well to mention where Kekvit is going to find himself, otherwise it'd seem he's saying that gossiping is worse than being a pedophile.

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When JooJooFlop says stuff like this, it proves there isn't a god:
You do know he's referring to Dante's Inferno, don't you?

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Madcat probibly doesn't even know what that is.

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Absolut Blindy's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Madcat probibly doesn't even know what that is.

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MadCat knows quite well what it is, and MadCat can spell probably correctly.

Now fuck off back to that hole in the ground you came from son, and let the grown up people talk.

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Reynar impressed everyone with:
Because the real world is much more sugar coated then EC?

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Please don't feed me that bullshit line. I know you're just attempting to be humorous or clever or whatever, but it's useless and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Spare me the "omg EC is safer than the real world" nonsense. It's tired and not germane.

I can't protect her fully from the "real world," no matter how hard I try. I wish I could, but I can't, and I accept that. However, I can protect her from the jackasses that lurk in this place, by suggesting she doesn't visit here, and not attempting to reduce her current distaste for the Internet in any form.

I like most of the folks who post here and consider several friends, but there are many I don't trust or know, and this just reinforces my thinking.

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Sean had this to say about (_|_):
Heeeey, Gyd. Have her address handy? I've got a, ah, boquet of flowers and a copy of The Crying Game here for her.

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Why don't you just come to my house? I have a bat that would love to meet your kneecaps.

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Sean's fortune cookie read:
Can I bring my phonebook, and borrow your stove?

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SAY IT!!! SAY IT!!!!!

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Quoth JooJooFlop:
Both would be at fault, which is what Snoota is saying.

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Actually, by definition (legally) the minor bears no responsibility for it. Which was my point. Minors, by definition, aren't legally responsible.

Now, given that Kekvit knows damned well how old she is. . .it really doesn't matter what she asked for, does it? If, indeed, she did ask. Given the scenario as presented--by both sides--in this thread, I simply don't see that Em's done anything wrong.

Those trying to blame her keep muttering vague things about her past, while minimizing Kekvit's. What, exactly, is the point in not roundly condemning Kekvit's idiocy?

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Gydfather wrote this stupid crap:
SAY IT!!! SAY IT!!!!!

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Pack up your shit and get on the first donkey back to home!

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Everyone wondered WTF when Gydfather wrote:
Spare me the "omg EC is safer than the real world" nonsense.

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Actually, I was inferring that EC is exactly like the real world.

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I can't protect her fully from the "real world," no matter how hard I try. I wish I could, but I can't, and I accept that..*snip*...but there are many I don't trust or know, and this just reinforces my thinking.

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Exactly what I was saying. While this maybe a message board it still involves people.

It should not come as a surprise that you see the bad aspects of humanity here, just like in the real world.

/apu

Thank you, come again!

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Nobody really understood why Reynar wrote:
Exactly what I was saying. While this maybe a message board it still involves people.
It should not come as a surprise that you see the bad aspects of humanity here, just like in the real world.

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Then what the hell was your point, exactly? I'm not surprised by the activity, it just reaffirmed my belief that Krissy doesn't need to be here.

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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Gydfather absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Then what the hell was your point, exactly? I'm not surprised by the activity, it just reaffirmed my belief that Krissy doesn't need to be here.

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Whenever I see you flame, it reminds me of the time Mr. Burns was wandering the woods after his rejuve treatment, tanked on painkillers and preaching love. Only opposite.

What Fuckface McGee, or whatever the hell his name was, did was horrid and disgusting. If it happened to me, I would want to see him banned stright away.

However.

It did not happen to me.

The person to whom it happened has been put in an even more uncomfortable position, due to the fact that blabbermouths couldn't keep their yap trapped and now poor Emily has to live though all the people on this forum acting sympathetic to her and angry at fuckchop.

Anyone stop to think perhaps she doesn't want to think about it, perhaps she doesn't want people bugging her like it was such a big fucking deal? Perhaps, even, she just wants to make her own personal peace with the issue, and move on, without having her name dragged though the mud on the issue? If she wanted help from the general public, wanted ShitFuck banned, or wanted sympathy, she would have made it public knowledge. I respect her ability to look out for herself, so I will not go any further than just saying that.

So in closing, have a little respect for the woman's privacy.

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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Bloodsage said:
Actually, by definition (legally) the minor bears no responsibility for it. Which was my point. Minors, by definition, aren't legally responsible.

Now, given that Kekvit knows damned well how old she is. . .it really doesn't matter what she asked for, does it? If, indeed, she did ask. Given the scenario as presented--by both sides--in this thread, I simply don't see that Em's done anything wrong.

Those trying to blame her keep muttering vague things about her past, while minimizing Kekvit's. What, exactly, is the point in not roundly condemning Kekvit's idiocy?

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I don't think anyone else is arguing legal responsibility. What they are arguing is the moral responsibilty Em has in the matter. And I don't think anyone, except maybe Lyinar, is arguing that what Kekvit did was anything but disgusting and inappropriate.

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It's amazing that Sean can use a keyboard, considering they said:
Anyone think she may want to speak for herself?

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Perhaps. But I think she shouldn't have to. In fact, I think none of us should know about this, unless she wanted us to.

I've said everything I want to say, and have said it as honestly as I know how.

I realize that I need to make some personal adjustments in the way I relate to other people (toning down the flirtatiousness/friendliness that can be taken the wrong way), and -- most importantly -- I now need to try to repair whatever damage has been done between me and the people I have closer relationships with who also post on this board, if such things CAN be repaired -- and that is going to be very hard to do, let me assure you. That is punishment enough, if you ask me.

I don't care if you "think you know what I did". I know what I did, and didn't do. And, I take full responsibility for my actions. I apologize, and ask for your forgiveness. There's nothing else I can do but move on from it, and suggest that you all do the same.

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JooJooFlop was doing great, then they had to go and say:
You don't really have anything to apologize for. Someone sent you an unsolicited lewd video of themself and from what I understand you wanted to keep the matter between yourself and a few friends.

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I couldn't say this any better.
I'm sorry this whole situation happened, and know that you haven't lost any amount of dignity, in my eyes.