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Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
It works the same way for men. we can't have children without men. (in some shape or form)
Time to duck out, sister, you're just babbling now.
No, Really. Bite me.
Unfortunately, now they're used to send a far different message...
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles was all like:
You just don't give women a chance to be equal, if not superior to you.It's Male Chauvinism. I hate it.
Listen Carefully, and listen well, men and women are not equal to each other. That is almost as retarted as the the literal belief in "all men are equal".
Women will never be able to do the same things men do, nor will men be able to do the same things women do. They exsit in a balanced state of equality.
I have no problems with women in combat, I do have problems with a person unfit to fight being placed into harms way, Or worse haveing someone unfit placed into a postion of putting the wrong people into harms way.
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We were all impressed when Pesco wrote:
Art.. you really should keep more things in the closet.
What? I certainly don't own one of those...
Even if they're ugly. They've got paper bags, right?
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The Burger had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Just curious, but can a Canadian Civilian snlist in the US armed forces? What I really mean is: Any way I could join up after I get my degree?
You must either be a US citizen or a registered alien to enlist
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The Burger was naked while typing this:
Just curious, but can a Canadian Civilian snlist in the US armed forces? What I really mean is: Any way I could join up after I get my degree?
US Citizenship is a Prime Requisite for serving in the US armed force.
hmm I stand corrected by Kevit, but i thin officer might be limited to Citizens only. [ 03-26-2003: Message edited by: Peter ]
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Check out the big brain on Peter!
Women will never be able to do the same things men do, nor will men be able to do the same things women do. They exsit in a balanced state of equality.
My bullshit-o-meter just exploded.
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Led had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
My bullshit-o-meter just exploded.
then, I would like to know how are men and Women Equal?
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Verily, Led doth proclaim:
I am more interested in knowing your ideals on why we are not.
I have stated my case on why men and women are not equal a few times in this post already, It's not hard point out how we are not, you can just check out everyone's plumbing to see the most basic difference of differences between the two, BUT if you are going to insist that the both are totally and completely equal, you have to put your reasoning.
Otherwise it stills stands Men and Women are different but exist in a balanced state of equality. [ 03-26-2003: Message edited by: Peter ]
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Verily, Peter doth proclaim:I have no problems with women in combat, I do have problems with a person unfit to fight being placed into harms way, Or worse haveing someone unfit placed into a postion of putting the wrong people into harms way.
Not all men are fit for combat either. We are rapidly coming into a time where men and women are going to be able to do the same things, if not already able to do the same things, and are no longer limited by old-fashioned beliefs on strengths and weaknesses.
There are women out there that could kick your ass with one hand behind her back. And there are men that you could knock over with a feather. The lines between sex are becoming blurred, and remaining in the past just means you're going to get left behind.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Peter's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
US Citizenship is a Prime Requisite for serving in the US armed force.hmm I stand corrected by Kevit, but i thin officer might be limited to Citizens only.
Actually it isn't. I went to basic with a guy from the Philipines and I was stationed with a guy in Hawaii who was Canadian. I knew a female Lt. in Germany who was from Romania and read about another guy who was from Yugoslavia.
And you don't have to be a citizen to enlist. In fact, there is even a special proviso in the immigration law that fast-tracks green cards/citizenship for aliens serving in the armed forces. And believe me, I'm learning way more about immigration law right now than I ever thought I would.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Knight Rider:
The lines between sex are becoming blurred
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Far as I know, any woman in an active combat role in the military is held to the same combat standards as the men. Same hand to hand training, same weapons training, same rigorous physical training, same gear training. They're held to the same standards as the men. They're not given preferential "female" treatment.
That means that getting down to arguing the stupid points of human physiology is just that: Stupid. So women are the ones who get pregnant. More men associated with the armed forces (as soldiers, etc) in WWI came back with all sorts of STD's than any women associated with the military (nurses, etc). Women may get pregnant, but guys will hump anything with the proper physiological equipment. Men have better upper body strength? Women have superior lower body strength and a lower center of gravity. Plus women, on average, have a higher pain threshold. Somehow I think that counterbalances the fact they may need to carry tampons or whatever where they go.
Which brings me to the most important point as to why women don't (to my knowledge) serve on submarines, and that is space. Female naval personnel, like women in all the armed forces, are put through the same training as any other cadet. They're not inferior in any physiological way. The truth, however, is that there are supplies for a six month haul that would need to be brought on board for female personnel, even if you assume female crewmembers bunked in quarters with other female crewmembers, used communal toilets and showers, etc. That's the reason I've always heard cited. If you have a one-gender boat, then you don't have to carry gear specific to the other gender. If it was an all-woman boat, they wouldn't have to carry medical gear for men.
And in THEORY that's been a major point as to the deployment of women in all the armed services in the past. There was the theory that women in a platoon would be disruptive (disproved; if women can hold their own, then that's all that matters). There's the theory that women could get pregnant (and men can get locals in foreign ports pregnant and cause problems that way; in either case there's actionable punishments for irresponsible sexual behavior). There's the theory that women can get raped by the enemy (so can men, if there's that bent, and it's really up to the woman to decide if the risk is worth it). So about the only thing left is the idea that women would have to carry extra gear.
Of course that is a rapidly-fading point, because if the latest war with Iraq should have proved nothing else to you, it's that the United States Armed Forces (all branches) can put anyone anywhere on the face of the planet at any time exactly where they want them. If they can deploy troops and maintain them in the desert for months, you can be sure that they can airlift a box of tampons or whatever if necessary.
If women want to be the military, and they can prove they can do the job (just like men have to PROVE they can do the job) then more power to them. I'd support them just as much as I support male troops. In a firefight, I would think there's more on your mind than whether or not the person next to you has boobs.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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I can't even say it's my personal choice. If my country calls me, I will go. Hopefully for something that utilizes my skills. Possibly something technical related. I don't really know that I would be cut out for shooting a gun, but I could certainly help target a missile.
Of course that's assuming I would even get in. I don't know how current requirements are, but I only have one kidney. I know in the past things like that would keep you out. Not sure how it's changed.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Of course that's assuming I would even get in. I don't know how current requirements are, but I only have one kidney. I know in the past things like that would keep you out. Not sure how it's changed.
That's ok, I only have half a brain.
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Maradon XP said this about your mom:
That's ok, I only have half a brain.
I really do only have one kidney. I had cancer, as I've told everyone before and my left kidney went bye-bye. 
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Nobody really understood why Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote:
I really do only have one kidney. I had cancer, as I've told everyone before and my left kidney went bye-bye.
I believe you.
Half of my brain is constantly dedicated to making inflammatory remarks about liberals and Nintendo. It's gotten signifigantly smaller ever since I stopped using it on EQ as well.
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Maradon XP wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Half of my brain is constantly dedicated to making inflammatory remarks about liberals and Nintendo. It's gotten signifigantly smaller ever since I stopped using it on EQ as well.
You need a new major gripe issue!
May I suggest: "Iron Chef".
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and 'are important for breeding'. Well, the second point is kind of a stretch, but eh.
That point is stretched, I was informing Beaukat she was Shooting herself in the foot, bring up one of the all-time top reasons for women not be in combat when she is trying to argue for it. It is a silly reason to exclude women from combat cause they can get pregnant. However It does serve as a reason exclude women from sub duty, not because women cannot do it the job, but because the effect it has in relation to the nature of the what a Subs role is.
Deth, you will never see it as an accepted policy, or even here about it in any official form. But it does serve as a reason why, If you can come up with a sure fire birth control method that can be undone later, than I bet the USN would love to hear about it, cause they would love to have a bigger talent pool to man those subs. The whole Supplies for 6 months issue dunno about you , but if they can make the space shuttle co-ed with their insanely tight restriction on space, you can make a sub the same. And Men getting STDs? Aside from AIDs or HIV, if you get one of those you get to meet a penis machinist for a shot. As for getting one of the locals preggers, doesnt take you out of the game but you know that is assuming you have shore leave, sub tours can be severely lacking in those. All female crews, as I said, no way that happening anytime soon, It could happen, however there would be an immense risk in putting an inexperienced crew, not just the peons, but the Commanding crew, into even a non-combat position because of the lack of experience. Not to mention the fact the Navy does not have subs just lying around for it to do so.
Lyinar, yes some men are weak and some women are strong, but that is not the majority, the point I was making to Beukat. The Armed forces do not cater to the minority, Both men and women are set to the same standards, but they will not change he requirements so that the minority can be given "... a chance to be equal, if not superior to you as it was put.
As to what I said before,
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Women will never be able to do the same things men do, nor will men be able to do the same things women do. They exsit in a balanced state of equality.
Boy did I fuck that up, supposed to come out closer to this:
Men and Women are not equal, but exist in a state of equality.
One is not the same as the other
One is not superior to the other
One cannot become the other with out losing what it was to begin with.
One cannot exist with out the other.
The two hang in a balance of each other.
Compareing the two sexes is like compareing apples and oranges, that was the point I was trying to make. [ 03-26-2003: Message edited by: Peter ]
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If you can come up with a sure fire birth control method that can be undone later, than I bet the USN would love to hear about it, cause they would love to have a bigger talent pool to man those subs.
Norplant. My sister had it in her arm, and it was able to be removed later on. Plus they currently have a shot form of birth control as an alternative to taking pills every day.
And what is your opinion on what women should do if not fill military roles, Peter? [ 03-26-2003: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
He got sent home with a little post card to my mom, asking a few questions.
One of the first ones was "If a woman was stationed on a sub with your husband, would you be comfortable with that?"
100-1 odds that every wife checked "No" on that one. My mom did.
It's not the fact that they can get pregnant. Shots, or whatever the arm implant thing is can prevent a period for three months, a usual outing time for Submariners (Three months out, three months in, repeat).
It's not the "Extra supplies", since, basically, there wouldn't be any. Same food. Same clothing (Whee, five seconds of sorting. ). No tampons.
It's the cramped quarters. It's the close proximity to someone, who, weather she wants to or not, is sweating, and giving off nice, sweetass smells to all them men.
Yeah, a lot of men have self control, sure.
But after three months of staring at her in the same cramped quarters? She'd better be a skanky ho, or something.
It's not that they cannot perform as well as Men, or that they are inferior in some way. It's that men can't control their penis and brain at the same time, really.
And all female crews? Since when are they "Inexperienced"? .. Ever heard of a simulator?
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Led had this to say about Tron:
Why!? Why does Lyinar have that big FOE dot that is glaring at me? It is driving me insane!
Make an alt account named "deL", and send her a PM.
I gauruntee hours of hilarity! Especially with the reverse zepplin title.
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Led had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Errr... no.
Aww.. 
I use the IDF as my example. There are many women in the Isreali military. They serve in front line combat roles just like the men.
However there are fewer women than men. There are two reasons. The fist is that there is less interest in long term service among women. The second will get me flamed but is just as true. There is a lower percentage of women who are qualified than there are men. Sure people would love to say I am lying but it is the cold hard truth. Men, on average, are stronger than women physically.
So if you want to serve that is great. But you had better not expect any breaks.
One case in point is every 28 days a womans stability is called into question. Now while that may not hold true for all, it does hold up for a great majority. There are always some exceptions. Being deployed for a good couple of months in a stressfull environment without any negative side effects is questionable at best for the majority, and just really not a risk the military wants to take for obvious reasons.
Others are psychological such as, say having an enemy use children for thier more seedy operations, ala Iraq using children as human shields and following in the Nam strategy of strapping munitions to thier bodies for living bombs. Questioning ones morals, choices, and possible outcomes, which a woman is more likely to do than a man, is not an option as seconds can bring you closer to death. Now while again thier may be exceptions to the rule, such as some women being all gung-ho and as rough and tough as the men, ala Tori or likeminded. They are rare, and even then questionable. A lot of the women who want combat are not as tough as she is, whether they think they are or not, and the military has no reason to make special acceptions for them because of it. It's costly, time consuming, and unreasonable. It's a lot of things, but it isn't chauvanistic.
Like it or not, women and men are different, and the military forces take the best measures possible. So while the "Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina" theories may not hold water, there are a lot of similar comparisons that do, and a lot of alternate reasons besides the ones I just listed to boot. Not all men are cut out for combat either, but the heavy majority of them are, while women are barely in the territory, at best.
And I am all for Women in power, and positions to promote advancement, that should be fairly obvious. I always depict the women I write/draw about as visions of strength and independance. I think women are stronger, and better than men in a lot of ways. This however is not one of those positions that even I would support.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Norplant. My sister had it in her arm, and it was able to be removed later on. Plus they currently have a shot form of birth control as an alternative to taking pills every day.And what is your opinion on what women should do if not fill military roles, Peter?
Those forms of control do not work for every woman, and in some cases do nothing at all. Now while the rate at which it fails is low, it's benefit cannot be guaranteed. This also does not take into account the other, far more destructive reasons, for not having a woman on board unable to leave, surrounded by nothing but men for upwards of 6 months at a time.
