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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
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And what is your opinion on what women should do if not fill military roles, Peter?

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At what point did I say women cannot fill military roles? I did say that they cannot fill every role, I gave the infantry as an example of how women cannot fill that role as well men can, there are exceptions but those are the minority and you go with the majority.

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Peter's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
The AirForce Is a corporation in a uniform quite technical, If I remember right, compared to the other branches the AF has bit more money to throw around, they do tend to treat their people better.

The Navy is not all under water, in fact it is quite above and on the ground, the Navy is fooking huge is you ever sat down to look at it. But for enlisted I don't think any other force ofers up what the Navy does.

The only other point is the Coast Guard in Peace, is good for saveing live, but in a time of war it gets absorbed into the Navy, Quite a few Coast Guard guys are getting pulled into the active duty Navy right now.

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There's a naval air station in Lemoore California.

The largest body of water in Lemoore is a stormwater runoff... I always find that funny

oh, and females in the air force... they Still call you Airman and you still man positions, in that context it's more like saying "Mankind"

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There was much rejoicing when Peter said this:

At what point did I say women cannot fill military roles? I did say that they cannot fill every role, I gave the infantry as an example of how women cannot fill that role as well men can, there are exceptions but those are the minority and you go with the majority.

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And you really gave nothing more than "Men and women have different plumbing" as an excuse. Why, if a woman has the qualifications, can she not serve there? She meets the requirements, she is as good as the man. She should be able to serve there.

And Fae, that children thing and questioning thing being a woman thing is total crap. A soft-hearted man is just as likely to do something like that. Could you, being so devoted to your daughters, say that you would not be affected by that situation? And that you may question things because of those feelings for your children and cause your fellows or yourself to be killed because of it? It's not just a woman thing.

Definitely not just a woman thing because I am the exact opposite of you. I do not have the maternal urge. I might not be able to shoot the child, but because I would probably balk at shooting *anyone*, as I explained before in why I'm not suitable for combat in the military. Not because it was a child I was expected to shoot.

There are women who *could* shoot that child, and *would* shoot that child, just as there are men who would. Balking at something like that is not exclusive to one sex.

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This insanity brought to you by Lyinar Ka`Bael:
And you really gave nothing more than "Men and women have different plumbing" as an excuse. Why, if a woman has the qualifications, can she not serve there? She meets the requirements, she is as good as the man. She should be able to serve there.

And Fae, that children thing and questioning thing being a woman thing is total crap. A soft-hearted man is just as likely to do something like that. Could you, being so devoted to your daughters, say that you would not be affected by that situation? And that you may question things because of those feelings for your children and cause your fellows or yourself to be killed because of it? It's not just a woman thing.

Definitely not just a woman thing because I am the exact opposite of you. I do not have the maternal urge. I might not be able to shoot the child, but because I would probably balk at shooting *anyone*, as I explained before in why I'm not suitable for combat in the military. Not because it was a child I was expected to shoot.

There are women who *could* shoot that child, and *would* shoot that child, just as there are men who would. Balking at something like that is not exclusive to one sex.

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Read all that I said. And that was only one of two points, the first of which is physiology and cannot be ignored even if it doesn't apply to all. It is not something a male suffers

There are exceptions, but the exceptions do not make the rule. The cost, special administration, and attention to be devoted to such things would be unfounded when the male populace can handle it just as well.

And I was disqulified from military service for just what you described, so that point is moot too since liek you said it is not sexually exclusive, it IS however not the norm. Regardless of how far civilization has come. Women and men are physilogically, and psychologically different. Exceptions not withstanding. So the point still holds. Reforming a standing practice for minimal acceptance is, in itself, not acceptable and not worth the trouble when it can be handled better, and less costly/effortlessly within the current standings.

This is just not an area in which women should be fighting for equality. There are plenty of other roles to be filled in the military. Fighting, ironically, for combat placement is pointless and irrelevant. It also in no way deters the feminine movements, or equality issues, because like I said. No matter how far we go, and no matter what anyone may think, like it or not. Women and men are different, each with thier strengths and weaknesses in different fields. Exceptions within each do not make the facts change.

They come in NINE DESIGNER COLORS!

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Led spewed forth this undeniable truth:

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Then there's also issues with things like what happened with the Air Force and Navy recently (rape trials, etc). In all, it proves to be more trouble in general.

I still feel that if a woman has the qualifications, demonstrates the right psychological stability, and the ability to function normally at "that time" every 28 days or so, then she should be elligible.

For instance, I feel as though I have a rather good control on my monthly "issues". I feel I take orders quite well but remain a decent decision maker. I feel I work well under pressure, and that I could put aside and shrug off all emotional aspects of warfare. I feel that if ordered to kill a man, I could do it without hesitation.

However, I'm also fairly small-framed, I doubt that if approached by a man while I was unarmed, I would be able to hold him off with sheer power. Also, I have a psychological background that might be frowned upon by the more specialized military groups (which is the only things I would aim for).

At risk of being immodest, I also have excellent hand-eye coordination, marksmanship, problem-solving skills.
However, I am not the norm, nor am I cut out for the military in ALL areas.

Like I said, I'm all for equality, but let's face it, we're different. In general, it can be more trouble than it's worth to put female soldiers on the front lines. It's not as though we're in desperate need of soldiers.

Hey grrlz!
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* joke. but the moment some conspiracy theory on female oppression comes into play I feel you lose all credibility just the same.

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I thought Suchii was the bunny cleric...

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Nwist, Baby had this to say about Captain Planet:
I thought Suchii was the bunny cleric...

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Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?

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Nwist, Baby had this to say about Duck Tales:
I thought Suchii was the bunny cleric...

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I AM Suchii. Did you miss the entire huge thread about my namechange?

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