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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Alaan said:
Ah...I understand now. Just skimming through the thread so must of missed the the turn in debate.
I must've missed that too o_O
I was wondering why the heck people are thinking Mod-enabled ignores are a bad thing.
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Snoota had this to say about Captain Planet:
A sucks, B rules.
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Baron Von Mortay probably says this to all the girls:
People could always stop being immature and work their differences out through PM's etc.But I suppose that's too much to ask.
True.... true...
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This one time, at Don Parcelan camp:
JUST AN OPINION but it probably doesn't help matters any by making snide little remarks like: "I SUPPOSE IT IS TOO MUCH TO ASK OF YOU LITTLE CHILDREN!"This has been an Opinion.
Personally I hope it was also an attempt at a joke...
..if not, I'd have to say it's a perfect illustration of the type of behaviour this idea of Drysart's is looking to stamp out.
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Cavalier- painfully thought these words up:
Personally I hope it was also an attempt at a joke...
..if not, I'd have to say it's a perfect illustration of the type of behaviour this idea of Drysart's is looking to stamp out.
I honestly think that was a very well coordinated attempt at humour between the two of them.
Otherwise it'd probably be longer. 
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Cavalier-'s fortune cookie read:
Personally I hope it was also an attempt at a joke.....if not, I'd have to say it's a perfect illustration of the type of behaviour this idea of Drysart's is looking to stamp out.
Excuse me, but who the heck are you?
Drysart is annoyed by people who are unable to settle their differences in a peaceful manner (as I have, several times, without hitting "Post New Topic" instead of the PM button).
Take your false opinions elsewhere. I don't like being told I need to be 'stamped out' by someone that posts here maybe once a month. If you're someones alt, then use your main.
Now lets not turn this into a flame, boys and girls. Drysart himself said the grudges were immature in his first post, and I get jumped on for stating the same thing.
Sheesh.
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There was much rejoicing when Cavalier- said this:
Personally I hope it was also an attempt at a joke...
..if not, I'd have to say it's a perfect illustration of the type of behaviour this idea of Drysart's is looking to stamp out.
[ 01-23-2003: Message edited by: Judge Gydyon ]
Unless you are an alt account......shhhhhhhhhhhh 
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Baron Von Mortay had this to say about Robocop:
Excuse me, but who the heck are you?Drysart is annoyed by people who are unable to settle their differences in a peaceful manner (as I have, several times, without hitting "Post New Topic" instead of the PM button).
Take your false opinions elsewhere. I don't like being told I need to be 'stamped out' by someone that posts here maybe once a month. If you're someones alt, then use your main.
Now lets not turn this into a flame, boys and girls. Drysart himself said the grudges were immature in his first post, and I get jumped on for stating the same thing.
Sheesh.
Man, you're way too presumptious. I don't even think he was talking to you at all, more the exchange Parcelan had with you.
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Veruca Salt had this to say about Duck Tales:
I say B. Because I think that the fact that this is even neccessary in the first place shows that A would be heavily abused.
What this person said.
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Suddar Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Man, you're way too presumptious.I don't even think he was talking to you at all, more the exchange Parcelan had with you.
It's hard to tell. 
Even though technically I'm not really a member of these boards anymore until I get my own net access back, I would like to come home someday. So I can't, in good concience vote for either option but instead suggest an outright ban on those whom you feel to be the the main antagonists of these issues. Seeing as how someone or a group of someones have spurred this decision, I'm sure you know what caused you to come to this decision. I personally think it would be in your best interests after several years as a member, who has seen all the influxes of noobs to oldschoolers, that a firm hand would give the best resolution.
So even if I was one of them, and I stand by it unbiased, just ban them. Get rid of your own stress and relieve some community stress in the process.
It might be nice to issue a private PM, though, and inform the offenders they are being watched.
That, and banning those whose presence would be potentially disruptive to the boards would mean either taking a definitive side in the disputes that exist here - in action as well as opinion, something that violates the dispassionate judgement that makes for good rule - or seriously considering cutting the active population of the board in twain with one sweep of bans.
I tend to move on to other areas temporarily when banfests are happening. Though some of you may view that as a constructive reason to do so right there. =\
The entire problem Drysart has that brought the whole subject up is that there's too much immaturity.
"Banfests" are ineffective for the main reason that people know about them and stay in the lines until they feel the danger has passed, and then resume afterwards. It wasn't a suggestion of a banfest, so much as it was a suggestion for a permanent developement.
And if it would be a disruprion of the boards, well.. Maybe thats not such a bad thing, maybe they need a nice injection of fear and punishment. Freedom of expression is all well and good, but when it deteriorates into what a lot of this has become, it's more harmful than good until it gets back on track. So if no one truely fears retribution for thier actions, which neither of the proposed changes would really do, then nothing is going to change.
There is a reason I, as a parent, try to instill the fear of authority into my children. Something that is severly lacking into todays generations. Note- That is a blanket statement and doesn't nessesarily apply to any individual, but it is true none the less. A severe lack of respect for authority and consequences is a major factor in most issues today.
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We were all impressed when Zephyer wrote:
I like them both.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Dispassionate judgement is not good rule, as it equates apathy. Fair judgment is entirely different from dispassionate judegment, or pacifism. No one wants to follow a disspationate leader, it typically leads to a bad end.
"Banfests" are ineffective for the main reason that people know about them and stay in the lines until they feel the danger has passed, and then resume afterwards. It wasn't a suggestion of a banfest, so much as it was a suggestion for a permanent developement.And if it would be a disruprion of the boards, well.. Maybe thats not such a bad thing, maybe they need a nice injection of fear and punishment. Freedom of expression is all well and good, but when it deteriorates into what a lot of this has become, it's more harmful than good until it gets back on track. So if no one truely fears retribution for thier actions, which neither of the proposed changes would really do, then nothing is going to change.
There is a reason I, as a parent, try to instill the fear of authority into my children. Something that is severly lacking into todays generations. Note- That is a blanket statement and doesn't nessesarily apply to any individual, but it is true none the less. A severe lack of respect for authority and consequences is a major factor in most issues today.
I come here for relaxation from my day, as a nice way to be among friends and people who follow the same basic interests as me. I would guess many people here do.
I don't find what you're suggesting to be at all relaxing, or entertaining. I don't want to spend my free time in fear of accidentally breaking a rule (I've done it before, with asking about GTA being free when it was not yet abandonware) and being banned. Moreover, I don't plan to.
It seems as if making it difficult to enjoy one's time here would be giving in to the negative emotions present on the board. Plus, I would think it would go a long way towards making sure that ONLY those people who caused the conflict would be the ones who would want to stay - because they have a personal stake in seeing things resolved in their favour. I, being one of the people who come here for recreation, will tell you now that it seems like resorting to that measure would be killing the fun to kill the people who make it hard to have fun... a pyrrhic victory at most.
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Suddar was naked while typing this:
Man, you're way too presumptious.
That would be why I quoyted Parcelan's comments, and not Mortious', correct.
After all, it was Parcelan who appeared to be jumping down Mortious' throat, not vice versa.
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Judge Gydyon said this about your mom:
Unless you are an alt account......shhhhhhhhhhhh
Not an alt account, no. Just someone who's lurked here for 2 and half years, and only made an account back in the Black Nova Trader days when Drysart started deleting accounts with no corresponding forum account.
There are several people here who know who I am.
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Baron Von Mortay had this to say about pies:
Excuse me, but who the heck are you?
The name's Bond... James Bond.
*knows who it is*
If anyone thinks this place is clique-ish now, just implement option A and see what it turns into! If people want private conversations, there are PMs and IRC rooms.
Remember why the old moderator system was changed? This would bring back all those same problems, but across the entire population of the board.
Option B at least wouldn't completely disrupt the community here. Personally, I think it's a coward's way out, and haven't much respect for anyone who would use it, but it doesn't allow for people to abuse others as much.
Personally, I say we don our fur caps and have another banfest if things are getting out of hand. If outright trolling is a problem, then ban the offenders. That's what mods are for.
If it's just the general level of maturity that's a problem, then implementing either one of the options will only contribute to the problem by encouraging more immaturity.
Clamp down. Blacklist people who troll. Ban those who continue to offend. Just remember that dissent, and even spirited dispute, are not bad in themselves. Too many people around here shrink from any kind of disagreement, and take too many things too personally. That's just as bad, and just as disruptive, as the incessant trolling and pointless ongoing fueds.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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AbbigailSD had this to say about John Romero:
'sage for '04!!
Shakes hands and kisses the babies babes.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Drakkenmaw was all like:
I come here for relaxation from my day, as a nice way to be among friends and people who follow the same basic interests as me. I would guess many people here do.I don't find what you're suggesting to be at all relaxing, or entertaining. I don't want to spend my free time in fear of accidentally breaking a rule (I've done it before, with asking about GTA being free when it was not yet abandonware) and being banned. Moreover, I don't plan to.
It seems as if making it difficult to enjoy one's time here would be giving in to the negative emotions present on the board. Plus, I would think it would go a long way towards making sure that ONLY those people who caused the conflict would be the ones who would want to stay - because they have a personal stake in seeing things resolved in their favour. I, being one of the people who come here for recreation, will tell you now that it seems like resorting to that measure would be killing the fun to kill the people who make it hard to have fun... a pyrrhic victory at most.
If you are so afraid of breaking some rule, perhaps you need to re-read them to make sure you are in line ( This may include you doing some research on your own before asking questions that may or may not be of a questionable nature, since your GTA example is flimsy at best). I've seen some of the things that have more than likely brought about these proposed changes, and I don't see common everyday posting being affected. I also fail to see how anything of this sort would 'ruin the fun of the boards'. It also sounds a bit is as if you have no faith in any of the people in authority of being capable of determining who deserves what. Most people around here aren't much into the just "Roll over and take it" way of thinking. You haven't proposed or suggested anything other than apathy, or ignoring any issues, and thats just not good buisness. Nothing ever gets resolved that way, and you worried about bannings making the boards un-fun?
Further, the earlier whining about those who "stay JUST within the lines" is irrelevant. Anything on the correct side of the rules is acceptable. Hence the rules.
What would you say to a cop who pulled you over for going 64 in a 65, on the theory that you were some sort of troublemaker because you chose to exercise maximum freedom within the rules?
"OMG, you were so close to breaking a rule!" is just a cowardly way of saying, "You did nothing wrong, but I don't like it anyway and my invertebrate nature forces me to seek validation using the facade of external authority rather than defending my position myself."
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--Satan, quoted by John Milton
FaeFae 
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The Big Stupid had this to say about Cuba:
People go under the speed limit?
Old people.
And Sage, I don't recall anyone saying '"OMG, you were so close to breaking a rule!"' any time in recent memory, but was more like 'BANBANBAN'.
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A sleep deprived Tegadil stammered:
Old people.And Sage, I don't recall anyone saying '"OMG, you were so close to breaking a rule!"' any time in recent memory, but was more like 'BANBANBAN'.
Drakkenmaw mentioned it in this very thread, implying that being "JUST within the rules" is somehow malicious.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Drakkenmaw mentioned it in this very thread, implying that being "JUST within the rules" is somehow malicious.
I never said my memory was good 
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Drakkenmizzaw sez:
I don't like banfests. They're not relaxing or enjoyable, they haven't yet done more than temporarily make the true trouble-makers stay JUST within the lines, and more often than not they take out several innocent bystanders.
Is the above what you were talking about?
It may just be me, but I see no implications that staying just within is somehow malicious...
And I'm not sure how you can read it without the indictment of those who stay just inside the lines.
And to address the other part of that phrase, I've yet to see an "innocent bystander" get banned in over 2 years here.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
And I'm not sure how you can read it without the indictment of those who stay just inside the lines.
But you see, I'm a lover of cookies.
I've never seen an innocent get banned here either, but then again, after a month or so here who can really be called 'innocent'? [ 01-25-2003: Message edited by: Tegadil ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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