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Karnaj had this to say about pies:
Proof is in the act, Waisz. If you never experience it, then you, personally, have no proof. Those who have, do. Simple as that.
Yes. I do need proof to believe, and since I have no proof...
Exploration is good in my opinion. It is bad to repress sexual feelings to much. But I highly suggest putting off full blown sex till at least 17 or 18. Longer if the person develops more slowly.
As for the moral aspect... Even as a cristian I have a hard time attaching morals to Sex. While I wont' sleep with anyone, I do find it hard to think of myself as immoral because I go down on a girl I like or I make love to my girlfriend. Sex is an expression of love. But it is also a way to reproduce. Having sex with someone that consents is no more immoral than taking a leak.
Age hardly matters, my first girlfriend brought me back from the brink at 16, not too far away from where HTR is. It wasn't a physical relationship, but the exchange was still there. Sex can have no meaning, and it can have great meaning. Fucking, as mentioned earlier, oftentimes means nothing more than a brief bit of pleasure. Lovemaking on the other hand, is when you get a chance to express your spritual love physically, allowing your minds, bodies, hearts, and souls, to merge into one, however briefly. And that is what real good sex should be like, between two lovers.
Love between two people completes them. It can't be one-sided or the person giving their love away will be more wounded than had they never entered the relationship at all, and I've been there. There's stories of people meeting their soul-mates in childhood, and I for one am willing to believe it.
If what you feel for each other is true, and you both know it in both your hearts, then a safe session of lovemaking is far from wrong. Just take the proper precautions.
I'm a hopeless romantic, so sue me 
Not a bad read.
Being IN LOVE, however is slightly different. It consists of 2 aspects, an emotional and a physical aspect.
The emotional aspect is a shared joy for being together, a shared mentality about life, mutual understanding and love (as defined above). You can have an emotional bond with anyone, and there's nothing wrong with it. You quite possibly have an emotional bond with a few friends, or your children, or anyone close to you. It's a meeting of minds, a mingling of psyches.
The physical aspect of being in love is a lust for another person. A desire to touch, caress, hold and protect the other person. a desire to procreate, a burning desire to feel the other person wrapped around you, sharing everything with eachother. It's a desire to release a flood of emothons through the other person.
To be in love, you must have both aspects, otherwise it's nothing but a close friendship or mutual masturbation.
Now as to what to do when you're head over heels about a girl and you're only 16? I'd suggest you wait a while. If you love eachother, you'll both be willing to wait until you're a little more physically and emotionally experienced to deal with it. Just think, you've probably only really had 2-3 years at most of fairly intense emotions, and look at everything you've learned about yourself. Imagine what 2 more years of perspective will do for you...
I'd keep it to some gentle petting, with all the closthes still on, but nevertheless you can still have plenty of fun together, and then go home later and fantasize about her. I'd say that you might be well served to keep it light, and have fun in lots of ways with the closthes still on, it's much safer, and still plenty of fun.
No, Really. Bite me.
Sex at age 15,16??? Yes I do believe it is possible. But like you are doing, gather information. Be prepared. You do not plan on having intercourse, but be prepared anyways, sometimes the unexpected happens.
Tell your parents, confide in your parent(s) only if you are comfortable with it. If you know that your dad is going to rip you a new ass hole if you bring it up, then don't subject yourself to that. Find someone older that you can confide in. Older brother, sister, at the very least planned parenthood.
There is some good advice on this message board. But in the end only you know what is right for you. Respect yourself. If you feel it is too soon then wait. If you feel you have waited long enough and your partner is ready also, then go for it. Just be prepared.
And yes I believe in love. I have proof for myself. But I can not make you feel what I feel. I can not put you through what we have gone through together. It is something you have to experience for yourself.
I can love someone without the need to stick my dick in them. I can have sex with someone and not really care about them beyond the moment (and if sufficiently plyed with external substances, I might not care about them in that moment either).
So I fast forwarded a bit.
Here's my take on it bebe.
Sexual experimentation is a good thing. Love is a good thing. Safety is a good thing.
I think that as a teen you can feel love for someone else. I know I did. I didn't have sex in the conventional sense until I was 19, but I did the whole heavy petting thing long before that. It was fun, and it didn't knock me up.
Let me tell you this though.. the love I felt for the boy I loved in High School, and the other loves of my life don't compare to the love I feel today for UBT. For some reason it is different.
I don't know why. It is a love that completes me and makes me feel whole. I have never in my life felt that way with anyone. Although I have loved other people.. I have never felt this kind of a love before.
Maybe that is why Wais feels the way he does. There are all kinds of love, loving someone isn't a bad thing.
When you meet the person that is meant for you, and your souls know it and speak to each other... you will fly in love.
I am in love with my Amanda. She is in love with me. Words cannot explain how it finally felt for me to have found someone that loves me back. 
It's indescribable, Waisz. Don't give up hope.
I used to think like you Waisz, that I'd never find anyone, and then one day, I decided to log into EQ to make Kennatsu's character a set of banded armor.
Seven months later, there is a shining star in the West, that I hope to make a pilgrimage to. And when I do, the fabric of space-time will take quite a blow to it's preconceived notions; and hopefully reality will survive.
But hey, if it doesn't, at least I'll go smiling.
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From the book of Humble Parcelan, chapter 3, verse 16:
Waisz needs pizza badly.
How did you know?
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The Nae (tm) had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I saw a lot of good advice.. but I saw a lot about cookies..So I fast forwarded a bit.
Here's my take on it bebe.
Sexual experimentation is a good thing. Love is a good thing. Safety is a good thing.
I think that as a teen you can feel love for someone else. I know I did. I didn't have sex in the conventional sense until I was 19, but I did the whole heavy petting thing long before that. It was fun, and it didn't knock me up.
Let me tell you this though.. the love I felt for the boy I loved in High School, and the other loves of my life don't compare to the love I feel today for UBT. For some reason it is different.
I don't know why. It is a love that completes me and makes me feel whole. I have never in my life felt that way with anyone. Although I have loved other people.. I have never felt this kind of a love before.
Maybe that is why Wais feels the way he does. There are all kinds of love, loving someone isn't a bad thing.
When you meet the person that is meant for you, and your souls know it and speak to each other... you will fly in love.
This is by far the sweetest thing anyone has ever said to me. Thank you baby.
She is right, there are different kinds of love. It is possible for a teen to fall in love because love knows no age.
Sex in my opinion is something sacred. Experimenting in sex and with sex is a great thing. It can help you out later on by helping you perform better and by knowing what spots to tease and please that will achieve your goal. It's always nice to do it so good that the person comes back for more, and even better if it's someone you love that you make come back for more.
So those high school feelings aren't always wrong. It's just rare they turn out to be the real thing.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
but with the whole " quantifying" thing..
you can quantify ANYTHING as long as you put alot or feeling behind which way you feel.
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This insanity brought to you by Timpofee:
I for one believe in love.
Love is strong tangible and happy..
Its also something dangerous...
I think that you shouldnt do anything at 15/16 man.. if it is love then you dont HAVE to have sex or try it or whatever.but with the whole " quantifying" thing..
you can quantify ANYTHING as long as you put alot or feeling behind which way you feel.
Love is intangible. You can't "feel" it with any of your senses. You can only sense it/think it.
And you really can't quantify many things that involve the mind.
Ozius
"It appears to be very sticky. It is also every where. I am begining to think I will have to wear a jacket to keep it out. It may infact be an incurable virus, the type that spreads faster than the bubonic plague. Hell it doesn't even require physical contact at this point. Now shut up quitcher bitchin and hand my tacos." ~Actual converstation with another student who was complaining that his girlfriend broke up with him.
You say
One love
One life
When it's one need in the night
One love
We get to share it
Leaves you baby if you don't care for it
Did I disappoint you?
Or leave a bad taste in your mouth?
You act like you never had love
And you want me to go without
Well it's...
Too late
Tonight
To drag the past out into the light
We're one, but we're not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One
Have you come here for forgiveness?
Have you come tor raise the dead?
Have you come here to play Jesus
To the lepers in your head?
Did I ask too much?
More than a lot
You gave me nothing, now it's all I got
We're one, but we're not the same
Well we hurt each other
Then we do it again
You say
Love is a temple
Love a higher law
Love is a temple
Love the higher law
You ask me to enter but then you make me crawl
And I can't be holding on to what you got
When all you got is hurt
One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters
Brothers
One life
But we're not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
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"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted."
- Albert Einstein
Oh, and the "How Wonder Full life is while your in the world song" is by Elton John, the name is Your Song.
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How.... Alek Saege.... uughhhhhh:
Wanna know what love did for me? It gave me psychosis. My ex broke up with me and I actually went insane. I still am insane in case any of you guys are wondering. Love is evil. Is a self-delusion caused by chemicals in the brain to get you more attracted to a mate.
It took me awhile to find this but here ya go: http://forums.evercrest.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=030995
This is about my last expeirence with love.
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Nekralt Avaane was naked while typing this:
It took me awhile to find this but here ya go: http://forums.evercrest.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=030995This is about my last expeirence with love.
I must admit that is a fine piece of literary work. However, I doubt anyone would wanna date someone with a mental illness, psychosis isn't to be taken lightly.
You were warned.
I've had long distance love affairs and I've had girlfriends here in town. All were loved, all were different to me. Love between people so young can and does happen. I was 15 when I met one woman I figured I'd marry, she was the same age. It didn't work out in the end because of the distance. (This was before internet) It's a wonderful thing when it works out for them.
I've said it before, this country is too hung up on sex as taboo. It's taught as something "dirty" or perverse before you're married. I'll not talk about the church views on it, we get beat over the head with it enough. My opinion is sex happens and it's a wonderful thing if the person is prepared and a willing partner. Working where I am now I work with a number of high schoolers. The attitudes have changed quite a bit, as well as the style of dress. Thongs and low cut jeans run rampent around here. (And the Dirty Old Man in me doesn't mind one bit 
)
Sex is a wonderful thing when it means something to the people involved. And not just regular old straight screwing either. I have a bit of an oral fixation myself (as some of you have figured out 
) and instead of risking getting a girlfriend pregnant I'd make sure she got what she wanted in other ways. Back when I was young some of it was pure hormones, I'll not deny that. That one thing in your teen years can make things pretty intense when you don't want it to. That's when you can be stupid and make mistakes. Protection is always a good idea. The pill (Norplant, Shots, and the new patch) work very well for accidents. But also considering todays diseases a condom (they have them for women now too) is a good plan too. They may not mention this in Sex Ed class, but even the lubricant an aroused man produces before orgasm can have sperm in it, so extra caution is always warrented if he's gonna pull out beforehand. Fooling around is safer and gets you the sexual release without the stress of worrying about pregnacy. (remember not even the pill is 100% safe, it can still happen) Few men will turn down alternatives to sex if they're aroused enough.
So, okay, maybe not for life, but let me get through high school first.
Most kids my age are sexually active. I'm not. It only bothers me when they talk about it... 'Whoa!!! I BOINKED her last night!' etc, etc....
I think I'd die if a guy ever talked to his buddies about me like that.
I tend to place love and sex together, and it's probably because I was raised very Catholic. Doesn't mean I am a total prude -- I just believe (for myself) if you're gonna do it, make sure you love the person. I think I'd also be very hurt if I lost my virginity to someone and then they ended up hurting me in some way, etc.. Those things happen, but they're less likely to happen (IMO) when you're more mature and if you're in a strong long-lasting relationship, opposed to when you're 16 and have been in a relationship for 2 weeks and think you're in love.
Should've said something, but I've said it enough
By the way my words were faded
Rather waste some time with you...
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The Nae (tm) was listening to Cher while typing:
Sexual experimentation is a good thing. Love is a good thing. Safety is a good thing.I think that as a teen you can feel love for someone else. I know I did. I didn't have sex in the conventional sense until I was 19, but I did the whole heavy petting thing long before that. It was fun, and it didn't knock me up.
Let me tell you this though.. the love I felt for the boy I loved in High School, and the other loves of my life don't compare to the love I feel today for UBT. For some reason it is different.
When you meet the person that is meant for you, and your souls know it and speak to each other... you will fly in love.
(smiles at Nae)
You beat me to it. For me, just replace UBT with Khyron.
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We were all impressed when hard technology rock wrote:
i don't mean actual sex. i don't think i'm ready for children anyway.
Yeah, sex with children IS VERY BAD!!!
