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Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 09:52:16 PM
what does everybody think about love at the age of 15/16?

more specifically, sex? not full-blown sex, but maybe some experimentation. it's a bit of a moral dilemma, so please take it seriously. i need opinions here, because i don't know.

i know it's young. but is it old enough, if it's your personal desicion? we pretend sex is nothing in our society and lives but it's huge, and i can't pretend it's not there. however, i don't know how to deal with it. so please, any opinions you could give will be hugely appreciated...

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-30-2002 09:53:15 PM
This wont end well.

And I cannot spell.

[ 09-30-2002: Message edited by: Delphi Aegis ]

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 09-30-2002 09:53:23 PM
Sex is whatever you make of it.

Love, however...



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 09-30-2002 09:53:42 PM
Hormones.

Irrational minds experience hormones and think nothing of it beyond wanting sex.

Rational minds experience hormones and claim they have a yearning to be in love.

Truly rational minds experience hormones and realize they need sex.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 09-30-2002 09:54:04 PM
You can be in love at 15 or 16. I was in love at 16. It just took me a while to realize it was the good, lasting kind of love.

As for sex, I personally think you're old enough for sex when you understand and will take responsibility for the consequences.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 09:55:22 PM
i don't mean actual sex. i don't think i'm ready for children anyway.

but otherwise, i'm curious as to what everybody thinks about it.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 09-30-2002 09:56:18 PM
quote:
hard technology rock painfully thought these words up:
i don't mean actual sex.
Tell me what your idea of "actual sex" is?


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 09-30-2002 09:56:58 PM
Having sex does not necessarily equate to kids if you take proper precautions.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 09:57:19 PM
in, out, in, out, genius.
Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 09:58:02 PM
quote:
Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Knight Rider:
Having sex does not necessarily equate to kids if you take proper precautions.

accidents happen.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 09-30-2002 09:59:16 PM
quote:
hard technology rock wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
in, out, in, out, genius.
So it's sex, but not, because it's experimentation, genius? Don't blame me if you're not coming across clear enough, genius. Protected sex then, genius? Or just oral, genius? Are you even talking about sex anymore, genius?


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Redmage Darkrayver
Moron
posted 09-30-2002 09:59:21 PM
Love that young? It is possible...but be wary.

Don't let Love blind you from your schoolwork.

And about sex? Sexual experimentation is Good. Sex itself, no. Keep it to fooling around for now. Trust me, mastering the art of foreplay is definately a key for a wonderful relationship

Just don't rush anything. Ask anyone who had sex with the wrong person, it's not worth rushing it. I wish I had not been in the situation that led to my first time. I regret my first time. but enough of that.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 09-30-2002 10:01:03 PM
quote:
hard technology rock had this to say about Captain Planet:
in, out, in, out, genius.

Am I the only one that pictured the Oscar Mayer "Weener-mobile" going into an automatic car wash when I read that? ... Yah, I figured I was.

As for the ages involved, it depends on the individual people, and varies greatly from person to person.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 09-30-2002 10:01:42 PM
quote:
hard technology rock had this to say about pies:
accidents happen.


They do, but if you're as safe as you possibly can be, then there's less chance of that.

But don't do anything you don't feel you can handle. I was just pointing out that you don't have to worry about children if you're smart and safe about it.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 09-30-2002 10:02:47 PM
Call me a romantacist, but I dont believe you have to be a certain age to be in love. It just grates on my nerves when someone tells me that.

Example: I was in a car with a friend and her mom. Pes had called, and I told him I'd call him back later. As we hung up, I told him I loved him. Well, my friend's mom glanced in her rearview mirror at me and says "What do you mean, you love him? You're only 17, thats way too young to think you're in love."

Suffice it to say, I wasnt happy with the lady.

Now, I think love is a wonderful thing, that, on the contrary to popular belief, happens all the time. It just has varying degrees of intensity.

Sex, on the other hand, is a whole different thing from love. Sex, to some people, is an outlet of pent up energy. To some, its a spiritual and highly holy experience. To others, it's just something fun or cool to do. To me, its something to be shared between two people in love. Yeah, sometimes its intense and whatnot, but its just the way it is.

On the other hand, some people think sex is a sin that should never be discussed. (Take a friend of mine, for instance. She is devoutly Christian, and anything that has to do with sex offends the daylights out of her.)

Er... so there's an opinion for you. Sorry if I'm not coherent, I'm sleepy.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 09-30-2002 10:03:48 PM
"The safest sex is no sex at all."


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 09-30-2002 10:05:25 PM
Which is true, BM.

If you're going to have sex though, then do it safely. Like the Pill *and* contraceptives.

And it's not limited to teenage years, Aza. I'm 23, and people tell ME I'm too young to think I love someone.

[ 09-30-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 10:06:32 PM
hey blackmage, i was being sarcastic, GENIUS. YEAH GENIUS, YOU LIyeah okay. i don't mean the actual act that produces babies. i wouldn't want that so young anyway.

and trust me, there's no way you could be more wary about love than i am, no matter what the age, but i think i've been wary enough and i have confidence in what we have.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 09-30-2002 10:08:22 PM
Go with your feelings, HTR.

If you turn out wrong, then you were wrong, and you just made a mistake. Pick yourself up and keep chugging along.

If you turn out right, then you're right, and it's great, and it'll either last for good, or peter out, or whatever it does.

Always go on what makes you happy.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Dr Cysa
Angsty Mcangst
posted 09-30-2002 10:08:28 PM
we aren't supposed to...and we hate conformity.

so if we add 2 and 2 we get 16 right?

I don't discriminate...I hate everyone.
Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 09-30-2002 10:09:41 PM
Just a helpful tip:

If you ARE going as far as to have sex, and you are a minor, (and this is going to sound crazy) but let your parents know you are going to. Chances are, they'll be easier to deal with if they know beforehand than if you are caught on the living room couch. (I had a friend who had that happen to her) And, they might be willing to talk to you about contraceptives and whatnot.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 09-30-2002 10:11:18 PM
quote:
Azakias thought about the meaning of life:
Example: I was in a car with a friend and her mom. Pes had called, and I told him I'd call him back later. As we hung up, I told him I loved him. Well, my friend's mom glanced in her rearview mirror at me and says "What do you mean, you love him? You're only 17, thats way too young to think you're in love."

Suffice it to say, I wasnt happy with the lady.


There are two kinds of people in the world.

There are those that believe that there are limits to love. That there are boundries of race, of age, of distance, of gender that love can not overcome.

And then there are the ones that are truely happy.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Steven Steve
posted 09-30-2002 10:11:49 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Humble Parcelan was all like:
Hormones.

Irrational minds experience hormones and think nothing of it beyond wanting sex.

Rational minds experience hormones and claim they have a yearning to be in love.

Truly rational minds experience hormones and realize they need sex.


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- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

»Waisztarroz«
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:22:56 PM
Eh, I'm of the firm belief that love is a non-existant thing anyway, so age doesn't matter. It will never exist no matter how old two parties are.
I <3 Steel Battalion!
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 09-30-2002 10:27:47 PM
Why's that, Wais?


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 09-30-2002 10:30:11 PM
quote:
»Waisztarroz« had this to say about Cuba:
Eh, I'm of the firm belief that love is a non-existant thing anyway intensely bitter.

Kinanik
Upset about being titless
posted 09-30-2002 10:30:51 PM
What Parc said.
Gully Foyle is my name
And Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination
»Waisztarroz«
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:34:16 PM
Every person seems to have their own view on what love is. It cannot be defined truly.

I'm not sure how to put it into words, but every case where one person claims they love another can be broken down into infactuation, compassion, and interdependence. Love is an incorrect term to use in any case since it has no definition and no "basis".

Sometimes I have such a hard time expressing my thoughts.

I <3 Steel Battalion!
Beta Tested
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:34:27 PM
My view on the way things are:

Love: This can happen to you at any age. People tend to feel this emotion differently. For some it's an all driving force of life, and for some others it's just something they say they have to keep someone around.

I've experianced love a few times, it can be a great and wonderful thing, and it can be horrible if it's not returned. But, that's the way things kind of are.

Sex: To define this I think we need to break it down into a couple categories
Fucking: Exactly that, no emtion just fucking for the fun of fucking. Good for getting rid of all that stress and tention and whatnot.
Lovemaking: Something totally different. Emtion makes it better, less rushed, or faster and more intense. Depends on the situation and whatnot.

Me? I've only fucked, and yes, I'm only 15. My dad's cool with that, and was the one to buy the condoms. *shrugs* It's all kind of up to the individual.

Just don't listen to people who say you're too young to be in love, because they probably haven't felt it yet, and who are they to tell you what you feel?

What's this thing do?
That would be sooo cool if it wasn't going to hurt us.
Melphina's Magelo
»Waisztarroz«
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:34:53 PM
quote:
Humble Parcelan had this to say about Matthew Broderick:

Close enough.

I <3 Steel Battalion!
Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 10:40:50 PM
if you want to look at it that way, waisztarroz, there's also no such thing as...say...brownies. all it is, in reality, is chocolate, flour, chocolate and eggs. right?

a combination of ingrediants can make something completely new if combined in the right strengths. this applies to everything. why not love?

[ 09-30-2002: Message edited by: hard technology rock ]

»Waisztarroz«
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:42:19 PM
quote:
hard technology rock wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
if you want to look at it that way, waistarroz, there's also no such thing as...say...brownies. all it is, in reality, is chocolate, flour, chocolate and eggs. right?

a combination of ingrediants can make something completely new if combined in the right strengths. this applies to everything. why not love?


There's no way of quantifying love, though.

I <3 Steel Battalion!
Kinanik
Upset about being titless
posted 09-30-2002 10:44:10 PM
HTR wins the Analogy of the year.
Gully Foyle is my name
And Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination
Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 10:44:17 PM
not everything is scientific.
»Waisztarroz«
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:49:01 PM
quote:
hard technology rock painfully thought these words up:
not everything is scientific.

Still, almost every person feels the standard set of emotions. Most will never feel "true love", depending on how it is defined.

I <3 Steel Battalion!
Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 10:51:50 PM
everybody's recipe for brownies is a little different.
»Waisztarroz«
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:53:13 PM
quote:
hard technology rock stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
everybody's recipe for brownies is a little different.

Brownies can be quantified. Stop using that example.

I <3 Steel Battalion!
MorbId
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:55:17 PM
I like how love is protrayed in the Screwtape Letters.

Screwtape explains that the entire human infatuation with the concept of love actually has its origins among demonic propaganda. So, with that mindset, if things go wrong with a relationship, humans will grasp at the nebulous concept and blame a lack of love for their difficulties rather than confronting the actual issues.

I really have to finish that book sometime.

Suddar
posted 09-30-2002 10:55:19 PM
i don't see why love can't.

some compassion, a little dependancy, a bit of friendship, and some infatuation, and you get one love. right?

MorbId
Pancake
posted 09-30-2002 10:57:04 PM
quote:
hard technology rock had this to say about dark elf butts:
i don't see why love can't.

some compassion, a little dependancy, a bit of friendship, and some infatuation, and you get one love. right?


Perhaps your love. But not necessarily anyone else's... making it entirely relative and impossible to verify.

[ 09-30-2002: Message edited by: MorbId ]

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