quote:I guess it's not just for the Ladies then.
Zephyer had this to say about Knight Rider:
Whoa! That is SO cool!
Like your pic-in-sig, BM...
:x
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Lyinar Ka`Bael said this about your mom:
People are allowed to have opinions and voice them on this board. Your whole issue was because I said they were inappropriate. Well, I believe they are. You are the one acting like it's a statement from God. You're the one acting like I can change anything just from having an opinion, and you're also the one trying to deny me that right.
Lyinar, please please please read something I post for once.
I explained my point behind telling you that you were acting like a bigot. You might be stating an "opinion" now, but you weren't then. And you weren't, as you claimed, just requesting along with Tae.
Learn the difference between "That is" and "I think that is", please. What initiated my response was exactly what you accused me of - being unable to take disagreement.
My whole issue was because you said that they were inappropriate, wrong, and AGAINST BOARD POLICY. You've retracted that, good enough, but since you're bringing it up, there's my reasoning.
It was also because you decided to lump and brand everyone disagreeing with you as spoiled brats, interestingly enough without any specifications, which left the field wide open to provoke anyone who happened to have had a sigpic such as that.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Gikkwiny wrote:
.... You knwo what is posted on the boards.For instance, Delid's thread of various bits of women not wearing much.
Or the blue chick.
Or star worship threads with pics of them wearing next to nothing.
That is PART OF THIS BOARD. The sigpics were no worse then that. If you can looka t that (And not all of it had a worksafe warning) then there isnt' a problem. If you wouldn't be allowed to look at those things, then you SHOULDN'T read the boards. not just cuse of the sigpics, but because of other things that are posted here.
Delid's I find borders on the risque, as well as Aani's blue butt. But I don't find them as un-work-safe as a picture of someone completely nude and just positioned cleverly so nothing can be seen.
And the big difference with that sort of thing in sig pics is that people can choose to avoid a thread that is stated specifically as non-work-safe. Or they can choose not to click on something that is stated as such. So if they get in trouble for looking at that at work, it's their own fault, their choice.
Having a sig pic like those in question takes that right away. They could open any thread and be confronted with it, unknowingly, so their only recourse is not to view. And being denied their right to view the boards because others want to have those sorts of sig pics *is* infringing upon their rights.
As Sage said, and I wholeheartedly agree, we all have a responsibility to moderate ourselves. And that means that just because something is Mod Okay, doesn't mean you shouldn't think of your fellow posters, or get angry when they ask you to change something to keep them out of trouble.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Enforcer Za'Yth ]
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The Black Mage... stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Lyinar: you think "Learn not to take things so literally." is an attack?That's borderline REACHING for a reason to fight.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Kegwen 2.0 wrote:
*runs from the flamewar*
oh no you dont
*throws a chair at Kegwen and drags him bck into the thread dousing him in gasoline and setting him aflame*
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Enforcer Za'Yth had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Lyinar, please please please read something I post for once.I explained my point behind telling you that you were acting like a bigot. You might be stating an "opinion" now, but you weren't then. And you weren't, as you claimed, just requesting along with Tae.
Learn the difference between "That is" and "I think that is", please. What initiated my response was exactly what you accused me of - being unable to take disagreement.
My whole issue was because you said that they were inappropriate, wrong, and AGAINST BOARD POLICY. You've retracted that, good enough, but since you're bringing it up, there's my reasoning.
It was also because you decided to lump and brand everyone disagreeing with you as spoiled brats, interestingly enough without any specifications, which left the field wide open to provoke anyone who happened to have had a sigpic such as that.
No, I lump people that put their desires above others as spoiled brats. Obviously, Addy for one doesn't fit into this designation, because I saw her apology on another thread. I can't speak for Lazz because I haven't seen her sig since yesterday.
Gikk and Lash got defensive, acted like they didn't have a responsibility toward anyone else, so I have that opinion of them. Delid's sig I still don't agree with, wish he would change it, think it's a bit unreasonable not to, but I *can* see how it would be allowed, because it is indeed still clothed.
I do see it as semi-selfish on his part, because he was asked before to change it, but I do not see it as bad to the same degree as naked women in sig pics. He could do, though, to think a little more of his fellow posters.
And I never said I was requesting with Tae. I said I was agreeing. I said "They're inappropriate". I did not say "They're inappropriate, remove them". THAT is telling someone what to do. If I do not give a command, then I can't be telling someone what to do, unless they misconstrue it as thus. If I, or anyone, doesn't specifically command, then how in the world can it be "telling someone to do something"?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Gikk, the rules say stuff needs to be work safe. People say 'not work safe' in their topics, and thats fine. There is no 'not work safe' for sig pics, making the boards not work safe for many people when we come upon posts from Lashanna. We shouldn't have to restrict our access to the boards simply because one person likes to switch to risque sig pics on a whim. We shouldn't have to be all nervous and secretive when viewing Evercrest because someone likes to suprise everyone with their nude sig pics every other week.
Its unfair to many people on the boards to potentially get people in trouble because they enjoy the attention. Something needs to be done about it, whether it be a changed sigpic or something that makes sigpics invisible, before someone gets in trouble over it. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Taeldian ]
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The Black Mage... had this to say about pies:
I understand what you're trying to say, but I think you missed my point a bit. Using "Home vs Work" was mearly an example. Like, I wouldn't be offended by viewing those at WORK (Where more people would.) whereas others might be offended even by viewing them from HOME (Where less people would.) The emphasis was on the 'You'. The way I interpert the rule, 'You' as in the single entity. Not the 'You' as in, 'All of you.'Our points once again prove how nasty that rule is.
That's where "judgment" comes in. If you're lucky enough to work as photo-editor at Penthouse, for example, you might feel quite comfortable viewing certain things at work--but it's not reasonable to latch onto that single word in the rules as an excuse to ignore their spirit.
I thought that was obvious, sorry. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Goodbye, Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
besdies how differnt in HAIR covering boobs than CLOTHES?
i mean you can cover ALOT less with clothes anyway. ETC ETC they should be "nicer" since its fairy season in EC right now. But i mean really its nto that big of a deal
besides when your at work fucking work.. not surf the net thats something you should do at home anyway
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Lyinar Ka`Bael was naked while typing this:
No, I lump people that put their desires above others as spoiled brats. Obviously, Addy for one doesn't fit into this designation, because I saw her apology on another thread. I can't speak for Lazz because I haven't seen her sig since yesterday.Gikk and Lash got defensive, acted like they didn't have a responsibility toward anyone else, so I have that opinion of them. Delid's sig I still don't agree with, wish he would change it, think it's a bit unreasonable not to, but I *can* see how it would be allowed, because it is indeed still clothed.
I do see it as semi-selfish on his part, because he was asked before to change it, but I do not see it as bad to the same degree as naked women in sig pics. He could do, though, to think a little more of his fellow posters.
And I never said I was requesting with Tae. I said I was agreeing. I said "They're inappropriate". I did not say "They're inappropriate, remove them". THAT is telling someone what to do. If I do not give a command, then I can't be telling someone what to do, unless they misconstrue it as thus. If I, or anyone, doesn't specifically command, then how in the world can it be "telling someone to do something"?
You refused to accept a no.
If you're not requesting, and you spend your time explaining why refusing to remove the sigpic is stupid, childish, all that, you're telling someone what to do.
"I think it's inappropriate for you to have that picture."
"No"
"Saying no is just stupid and childish"
If you're not accepting a no, yes is only acceptable answer by you. And guess what? That means you're telling someone that it's inacceptable to not say yes, which means...
*drumroll*
You're telling them what to do!
quote:I said "I understand what you're trying to say", and I do.
Goodbye, Bloodsage had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
That's where "judgment" comes in. If you're lucky enough to work as photo-editor at Penthouse, for example, you might feel quite comfortable viewing certain things at work--but it's not reasonable to latch onto that single word in the rules as an excuse to ignore their spirit.I thought that was obvious, sorry.
But I can latch onto whatever I like, thanks. Certainly not you place to decide what goes, and what doesn't. 
And, as for, 'Ignore their spirit', you must mean, 'MY interpretation of their spirit'.
I'm giving mine.
Scantily clad chicks, naked chicks cleverly positioned so that nothing shows but it suggests a whole lot, which is GUD in my opinion.
I LIKE the REVEALING SIGPICZ0Rz!
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Khyron had this to say about Duck Tales:
If this is an opinion war...I'm giving mine.
Scantily clad chicks, naked chicks cleverly positioned so that nothing shows but it suggests a whole lot, which is GUD in my opinion.
I LIKE the REVEALING SIGPICZ0Rz!
you sir are stupid childish and a spoied brat for liking them
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Khyron was naked while typing this:
*snip*
YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO AN OPINION! BEHOLD AND FOLLOW THE VISION OF LYINAR™!
omg I changed my sigpic before I read this thread FLAEM FLAEM FLEAME haet u all stoopid KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN@#%
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The Black Mage... had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I said "I understand what you're trying to say", and I do.But I can latch onto whatever I like, thanks. Certainly not you place to decide what goes, and what doesn't.
And, as for, 'Ignore their spirit', you must mean, 'MY interpretation of their spirit'.
Of course you can latch onto whatever you like. Doesn't make it valid, though. Or logical, or reasonable.
Latch onto all the indefinite articles, if you'd like. While no one can stop you, it doesn't elevate such a silly position to the level of one with actual logic and reasoning behind it, that makes sense in the overall context of the situation.
So don't bother with silly, "all opinions are equal" assertions, because it just isn't true. Just the fact that you have an opinion does not make it valid. Sorry. 
There is no such thing as an ironclad set of rules not open to interpretation. That's why lawyers exist. In most social interactions, however, it's easier simply to be reasonable and look at the whole picture.
Which is why no one likes rules lawyers in D&D, for example.
So neener. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Goodbye, Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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We were all impressed when Iron Chef Cadga wrote:
you sir are stupid childish and a spoied brat for liking them
Yeah, I know.
Now git me a burger.
NOW!!!!!!!!!
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Khyron had this to say about Pirotess:
Yeah, I know.Now git me a burger.
NOW!!!!!!!!!
go hunt down and kill your own since you wanna be a CAT PERSON so badly.
*throws a ball of yarn at khyron*
Work safe varies.
Drysart said there wasnt' a problem.
Therefore, it wasn't a problem.
The pictures weren't porn.
They weren't even soft core porn. If someone DID post porn, as thier sigpic, I'd understand.
Nothing was showing. We've had the sigpics for like... 2 days, or more.
If someone had PMed me, and said "Ya know, I dont' think my boss would be ok with this." I would change it.
I don't apprecaite being attacked. And you know what? Reading through everything....
I never said no. EVER.
I didn't tell Tae to fuckoff. All I did was say that no one flipped out over other "Explicit" sigpics.
And ya know what, I havn't changed. and I'm even going to repeat myself.
AND, as a bonus, the statement EVERYONE SEEMS TO FORGET I SAID, gets to be in italics.
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If this would get you in trouble at work..considering it's not explicit...
DON'T READ THE BOARDS AT WORK. *gasp*
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Enforcer Za'Yth wrote this stupid crap:
You refused to accept a no.If you're not requesting, and you spend your time explaining why refusing to remove the sigpic is stupid, childish, all that, you're telling someone what to do.
"I think it's inappropriate for you to have that picture."
"No"
"Saying no is just stupid and childish"If you're not accepting a no, yes is only acceptable answer by you. And guess what? That means you're telling someone that it's inacceptable to not say yes, which means...
*drumroll*
You're telling them what to do!
Actually, I spent my time explaining why expecting others to cater to you and only you is childish. It's all in the delivery, really. You can say no, that's fine. But don't back it up with "Because I can, and if you don't like it, don't look here".
Because that, in my eyes, loses you the right to have "Yes, okay, you gave a good argument, and I respect your right to have that picture since you did explain it". When you trod upon the rights of other people on the board for your own pleasure, no matter *how* many, in my eyes, you have lost the right for my agreement with what you're doing.
That is not telling anyone what to do. That is saying "I'm not going to agree with your disregarding others for your own amusement".
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
quote:1) Yes, I know.
Goodbye, Bloodsage had this to say about Knight Rider:
Of course you can latch onto whatever you like. Doesn't make it valid, though. Or logical, or reasonable.Latch onto all the indefinite articles, if you'd like. While no one can stop you, it doesn't elevate such a silly position to the level of one with actual logic and reasoning behind it, that makes sense in the overall context of the situation.
So don't bother with silly, "all opinions are equal" assertions, because it just isn't true. Just the fact that you have an opinion does not make it valid. Sorry.
There is no such thing as an ironclad set of rules not open to interpretation. That's why lawyers exist. In most social interactions, however, it's easier simply to be reasonable and look at the whole picture.
Which is why no one likes rules lawyers in D&D, for example.
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Lyinar sez:
"No, because I don't want to, and I'll attack you because you chose to give your *opinion*" (as in Lash's case) "
Wow, yeah... I NEVER attacked his opinion.
As a matter of fact, I clearly stated that I understood the reasoning in his opinion, and his right to request such, and stated that it was also my right to maintain my current Sigpic...
I like how you took so few words (A total of 3 short posts) and say that I attacked people's opinion, and acted like a spoiled brat, etc. etc.
My "smart comment" in reply to Deth was very intelligent, I feel. It was short, and concise, and expressed how I felt about his post in a non inflammatory manner, and it expressed how I felt he had missed the point of my previous posts entirely.
That's pretty damn funny.
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Enforcer Za'Yth spewed forth this undeniable truth:
So basically, you weren't telling people what to do... you were only telling them what to do unless they had a good explaining for not doing such?That's pretty damn funny.
just give it up
*hands zaza a rock*
explain it to the rock i bet you would have a better chance with it
I'm saying "I cannot agree with you while you give this reasoning". Which is in no way telling anyone what to do, merely withdrawing my support unless they give something more than "because I can".
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
You say...
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I cannot agree with you while you give this reasoning
Why does it matter if YOU agree with it or not?
Isn't it up to Drys to decide that?
You know? God of the board? He-who-makes-the-rules? The ONLY person who has the right to say, 100% one way or the other, that something is good or bad?
We can always conjecture between ourselves, but in the end, HIS word = law. Yours = The same as the rest of ours. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
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Not to be bitchy, Gikk, but I don't think you have any place to hold your right to have a risque sig pic over someone else's right to read the boards at work. I read the boards at work, because my job leaves me with lots of free time, and we can look at non-explicit websites. But just because you and others want to have a not-very-appropriate sig pic, my board viewing rights at work aren't important?
"I don't think you have any place to hold your right..."
In essence:
"I don't think you have any place to refuse on the grounds you did.", since that's exactly what she did.
Right. Let's reword it a little more.
"I don't think you have any place to saying no without a more valid reason."
So, in your opinion, it's not okay for her to say no, unless she provides a more valid reason.
That, Lyinar, is very plain and simply telling her what to do. You're telling her she has no place to say no. You're telling her you come first unless she has a better reason for keeping the sigpic.
In case you're going to overlook it, one more time.
"So, in your opinion, it's not okay for her to say no, unless she provides a more valid reason."
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Lyinar Ka`Bael obviously shouldn't have said:
You're again lumping disagreement with telling people what to do. I really do think you have a problem distinguishing the two.I'm saying "I cannot agree with you while you give this reasoning". Which is in no way telling anyone what to do, merely withdrawing my support unless they give something more than "because I can".
I happened to like having this sigpic, and I have it, because I can.
Do you really need more reason to have a sigpic than because you like it?
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Lazzay's fortune cookie read:
unf
unf unf unf
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Lashanna's fortune cookie read:
I happened to like having this sigpic, and I have it, because I can.
Do you really need more reason to have a sigpic than because you like it?
And damnit, I like having you have that sigpic! 
It's say "I won't agree", which I'm entitled to.
I don't have to agree if it's not what I believe to be the case, Khyron.
All "I cannot agree with you" means is that I don't agree, will probably tell you I don't agree if it comes up, and that I won't agree until I hear something logical and at the same time tries to be respectful to the other patrons.
If you were talking to someone in real life, and they said "I can't agree because you haven't given me a good reason" then you'd instantly assume they were telling you what to do and get upset about it? They're not dictating to you. They're saying they don't agree. There's a very large difference there that I think you need to learn about.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Lyinar Ka`Bael said:
It's not in any way telling anyone what to do.It's say "I won't agree", which I'm entitled to.
I don't have to agree if it's not what I believe to be the case, Khyron.
All "I cannot agree with you" means is that I don't agree, will probably tell you I don't agree if it comes up, and that I won't agree until I hear something logical and at the same time tries to be respectful to the other patrons.
If you were talking to someone in real life, and they said "I can't agree because you haven't given me a good reason" then you'd instantly assume they were telling you what to do and get upset about it? They're not dictating to you. They're saying they don't agree. There's a very large difference there that I think you need to learn about.
Uuhm. You didn't say "I don't agree" you said "You don't have any right".
There's a difference there.
Correct? [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
I absolutely care nothing about your opinion.
Taeldian's, however, I do care about.
I think it'd come in handy here.
*wanders off*
