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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Khyron said:
So, in other words, gikk/lash/whomever doesn't have to do a single thing you say. They CAN, but if they have no wish to, they have no need to. You may disagree with it, but that doesn't mean, in any way shape or form, that they have to do what you tell them to do.Correct?
no i SUPPOSE they need to submit a long essay in triplicate on why they are entitled to keep thier pics. I mean cause "i want to keep it" isnt a good enough reason for SOME people
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ImNotTrent Inc. had this to say about dark elf butts:
I recall Sage saying something about first and third person writing.I think it'd come in handy here.
*wanders off*
Mark this one on your calendars!
Someone actually quoted me as a way to reduce flames. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Goodbye, Bloodsage attempted to be funny by writing:
Mark this one on your calendars!Someone actually quoted me as a way to reduce flames.
Well, I wanted to do something nice for you, you are leaving soon and stuff after all. 
Thank you, that is all. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: D© ]
Nobody here has the right to do this. We all need to think of each other when we post something, or have an on-the-line sig pic.
I stated this because it was made quite clear people *do* think their desires are more important.
And I was given the this impression because the only good excuse anyone could come up with was "Because I can" and "You shouldn't be viewing at work anyway if stuff like this isn't allowed".
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Check out the big brain on Lyinar Ka`Bael!
Where did I say anything other than "You don't have the right to put your desires above those of other patrons?"Nobody here has the right to do this. We all need to think of each other when we post something, or have an on-the-line sig pic.
I stated this because it was made quite clear people *do* think their desires are more important.
And I was given the this impression because the only good excuse anyone could come up with was "Because I can" and "You shouldn't be viewing at work anyway if stuff like this isn't allowed".
Interesting. So, basically, it's wrong to put your own desires over that of others. Like asking them to remove something they like, because you might get in trouble for it.
Sounds kinda stupid to me. But you said it.
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Khyron impressed everyone with:
So, in other words, gikk/lash/whomever doesn't have to do a single thing you say. They CAN, but if they have no wish to, they have no need to. You may disagree with it, but that doesn't mean, in any way shape or form, that they have to do what you tell them to do.Correct?
Exactly. I disagree, I won't agree till they give me a good reason, but it all comes to down to how they hold my opinion.
If they don't care for it, great, don't listen. If they do, then it's their choice to change, not mine.
I'm merely giving my feelings on things. No more no less.
I get quite annoyed when people try to imply actions I'm in no way displaying.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lashanna wrote this stupid crap:
WELL, when you put that way, Lyinar...I absolutely care nothing about your opinion.
Taeldian's, however, I do care about.
You're completely entitled to that. I can't be "telling you what to do" unless you listen to it, after all.
I don't care anything for yours, either. You can have it, and I'll uphold your right to have it, I just won't agree. Nothing wrong with disagreeing.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
quote:Don't start thinking that gives you the right to, though,
Lyinar Ka`Bael stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
You're completely entitled to that. I can't be "telling you what to do" unless you listen to it, after all.
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This one time, at Enforcer Za'Yth camp:
Interesting. So, basically, it's wrong to put your own desires over that of others. Like asking them to remove something they like, because you might get in trouble for it.Sounds kinda stupid to me. But you said it.
And I already addressed that, if you'd care to read back. I said I thought some sort of middle ground should be established. But that I would be *less* likely to wish the person wanting to be work-safe to compromise the most when they give good reason, than I would wish the person with the not-work-safe sig pic who didn't give a good reason to compromise the most.
I am more on the side of someone that could back up their disagreement, in other words. If the person with the sig gave me a good reason, *then* they would both be on equal ground with me, and I would try to suggest a compromise that required equal effort on both their parts.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
You apparently didn't have this intention. End of story.
Can we agree to disagree and lay down the arms? It's carebear week, after all.
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The Black Mage... wrote this stupid crap:
Don't start thinking that gives you the right to, though,
I'm not the one at fault if you listen to me. Words cannot "make" anyone do anything. People make themselves do things. I disagree, I state that. I do not use commanding words, so there can be no way, unless you misconstrue things, that I "told anyone to do anything" with any sort of opinion.
So I don't need "warnings" not to do things I already don't do. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Lyinar was saying she hates Lash's sigpic.
Lash is saying she doesn't give a fuck.
Nobody is trying to force things one way or another, except Drysart, who keeps trying to force himself on piper.
SO NO MORE GODDAMN FLAMES!
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Iron Chef Cadga had this to say about Duck Tales:
So why do you have the right to put your desires (change the pics) above the desires of others? (keep the pics)
Because keeping the pics can get some people in trouble.
quote:THAT STILL DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT HELLO HELLO!!
Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about John Romero:
I'm not the one at fault if you listen to me. Words cannot "make" anyone do anything. People make themselves do things. I disagree, I state that. I do not use commanding words, so there can be no way, unless you misconstrue things, that I "told anyone to do anything" with any sort of opinion.
In other news, Khyron wins.
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Enforcer Za'Yth stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Mmkay. We're obviously getting nowhere. I strongly interprented what you said as pushing your opinion on others, and so did some other people.You apparently didn't have this intention. End of story.
Can we agree to disagree and lay down the arms? It's carebear week, after all.
It's all right. I'm often accused of it. And I often have to tell people that Having an opinion != Forcing others to think that way.
Even Being vocal with your opinion != FOrcing said opinion on others.
From the way people get on me about it, I would think this board is full of sheep, who can do nothing but listen to what I say and go out and immediately do it. I can't force my opinion on anyone. They can just as easily say "Nope, sorry, don't care" and that's that. People here do have brains, and can think for themselves, I hope.
So yes, let's agree to disagree, now that you see I wasn't meaning what you thought I was.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
My mommy said that if I wasn't looking at porn by 3, she was putting me up for adoption ;(
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Taeldian attempted to be funny by writing:
Because keeping the pics can get some people in trouble.
oh gee i geuss we should get right on that and stuff cause you know its THIER fault your getting in trouble...
quote:TOUGH NOOGIES FOR THEM!
Taeldian had this to say about Captain Planet:
Because keeping the pics can get some people in trouble.
It's YOUR Fault for being here. We are not FORCING you to stay. I RESPECT the fact you asked nicely, but if you can't handle this place because your afraid your parents won't like a few pictures, you can always leave. 
Because that's what it boils down to. I give my opinion. Can take it, or leave it. But whatever you do with it, it is *your* decision. Nobody makes that decision but you.
So if you went along with it, that is YOUR decision. There is no "forcing" involved.
Please try to have a little faith that the people around here can think for themselves.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
*Raises hand*
Exactly what is wrong with a polite request to change something? Especially when that something has potential to cause harm to another member of the community?
Especially when, as seems to be true in at least one case, the behavior in question was specifically designed to get a reaction?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
quote:OR-DERS.
Lyinar Ka`Bael obviously shouldn't have said:
Oh, so it's not right to give opinions now at all, BM?
OR-DERS.
I didn't BOTHER reading the rest of that post, because you started off assuming something completely inncorrect.
I smell one last 'farewell' flame war brewing.
The fact that people do see you in that way is a hint to look over your own posts, rather than find flaws in the people that read them.
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How.... The Black Mage....... uughhhhhh:
TOUGH NOOGIES FOR THEM!It's YOUR Fault for being here. We are not FORCING you to stay. I RESPECT the fact you asked nicely, but if you can't handle this place because your afraid your parents won't like a few pictures, you can always leave.
Wrong answer.
No one's forcing other people to push the limits on the rules, either.
If you want to rely on such a brute force approach to community, people like me will always dominate, because sheer aggression becomes the only way to settle disputes. Do you really want that?
It's obvious Drysart doesn't.
Community is about mutual efforts to get along. Not "fuck you if you don't like it" individualism. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Goodbye, Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
You quoted my post where I said, basically, nobody has to listen to my opinion, and if they do, then it's their doing.
How is that not right?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
And I said that doesn't make it right!
Pretty simple concept.
Now, would YOU like some candy?
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Enforcer Za'Yth had this to say about Cuba:
Hardly sheep, Ly. You still need to work on how you come across. It's hard to interpret intentions over text. A simple "I think" or "In my opinion" added somewhere, or a bit lighter on the personal attacks, would do wonders. ("Spoiled Brat", and your attacks on Lash were quite uncalled for).The fact that people do see you in that way is a hint to look over your own posts, rather than find flaws in the people that read them.
You were accusing me of forcing my opinion on others from my first post, Za.
So don't try to bring my calling someone a spoiled brat into it.
You were upset that I said they were inappropriate, and construed that as my forcing my opinion on others, which as has been pointed out, it's not.
So what was wrong with my delivery there? No personal attacks, no flames, yet I'm instantly accused of forcing my opinion on others.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Either way, I'm through here. I've said my share, and I still think you need to work on coming across better, because people don't get agitated without a reason, or just because it's you.
/shrug [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Enforcer Za'Yth ]
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The Black Mage... had this to say about Robocop:
TOUGH NOOGIES FOR THEM!It's YOUR Fault for being here. We are not FORCING you to stay. I RESPECT the fact you asked nicely, but if you can't handle this place because your afraid your parents won't like a few pictures, you can always leave.
Why should someone's stubbornness force me to leave a community I've been part of for more than 2 years? If my parents walked down the stairs and saw Lashanna's sigpic (Which actually does have nippleage), they would freak out. I'm sorry about my parents, but I'm not about to switch parents because of their personal feelings about porn. I shouldn't have to be scared to come to Evercrest because someone is so inconsiderate as to keep a picture that could be potentially harmful up "just because they can." [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Taeldian ]
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The Black Mage... attempted to be funny by writing:
Do you simply not know what you write? The post I quoted was you whining about how you cannnot make anyone do anything, so it's not your fault if they don't listen.And I said that doesn't make it right!
Pretty simple concept.
Now, would YOU like some candy?
Actually, go back and read.
I said it is not my fault if they *do* listen.
Meaning that if they DO agree with me, I did NOT force my opinion on them.
They chose it. If they didn't listen, great, fine, dandy. We disagree. And that's where it's left.
Lash doesn't agree with my opinion. So she doesn't "listen" to it. Whee, fine, disagreement.
If someone *did* change their sig pic from what I said, then they chose that. There is no forcing involved.
My entire point was that I *can't* force my opinion on someone. It's not possible. They can choose to agree or not, but it falls with the other person. [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
quote:Why should someone's stubbornness force her to change her sigpic? Because their parents are nuts about skin? Looks like you got some protective parents there. So, what is your parents and yourself's problem suddenly becomes ours? Nice way to shift responsibilties. Sure, we have some to others, but not as much as they have to themselves.
Taeldian attempted to be funny by writing:
Why should someone's stubbornness force me to leave a community I've been part of for more than 2 years? If my parents walked down the stairs and saw Lashanna's sigpic (Which actually does have nippleage), they would freak out. I'm sorry about my parents, but I'm not about to switch parents because of their personal feelings about porn. I shouldn't have to be scared to come to Evercrest because someone is too inconsiderate to keep a picture up just because they can.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
quote:I UNDERSTAND. But you're missing MY point COMPLETELY. You go back and read.
Verily, Lyinar Ka`Bael doth proclaim:
Actually, go back and read.I said it is not my fault if they *do* listen.
Meaning that if they DO agree with me, I did NOT force my opinion on them.
They chose it. If they didn't listen, great, fine, dandy. We disagree. And that's where it's left.
Lash doesn't agree with my opinion. So she doesn't "listen" to it. Whee, fine, disagreement.
If someone *did* change their sig pic from what I said, then they chose that. There is no forcing involved.
My entire point was that I *can't* force my opinion on someone. It's not possible. They can choose to agree or not, but it falls with the other person.
The way I see it... You have four choices.
1) Concede the point that the sigpics are someone's own personal choice, keep the sigpics as they are, and go on with life.
2) Change the sigpics, go on with life.
3) Keep bitching, whining, pushing one point or the other, until the thread gets locked and everyone in it comes under the close watchful eye of DRYSART, GOD OF EVERCREST. (After all, if a thread needs to be locked during BANFEST, there's a good chance everyone in it will be pretty closely watched from that point on.)
4) Ask Drysart. Present both sides of the argument. The good, the bad, whatever. His decision is LAW. What he says goes. If you don't like it, you can simply complain about his decision, get banned, and we no longer have to listen to it.
Okay? [ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Lazzay ]
Tael, on the other hand, could get in serious trouble if his parents saw something like that.
I have to give it to Sage again, and say I agree with him a third time. This is a *community*, meaning we all have to consider everyone else. We all have to be willing to bend on things, and those that don't, have the potential to harm that sense of community.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
quote:I UNDERSTAND. But you're missing MY point COMPLETELY. You go back and read.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Check out the big brain on The Black Mage...!
[QUOTE]Verily, Lyinar Ka`Bael doth proclaim:
[qb]Actually, go back and read.I said it is not my fault if they *do* listen.
Meaning that if they DO agree with me, I did NOT force my opinion on them.
They chose it. If they didn't listen, great, fine, dandy. We disagree. And that's where it's left.
Lash doesn't agree with my opinion. So she doesn't "listen" to it. Whee, fine, disagreement.
If someone *did* change their sig pic from what I said, then they chose that. There is no forcing involved.
My entire point was that I *can't* force my opinion on someone. It's not possible. They can choose to agree or not, but it falls with the other person.
How?
Did I say it was wrong people disagreed? No. I can handle disagreement. If they do, they do. Let me state this again. I don't have a problem if someone disagrees. They're entitled to that. How in any way is my post whining because people don't listen?
So please explain what you thought I was saying, and what the "doesn't make it right" comment means, because I'm not seeing it.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
