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We were all impressed when Waisztarroz wrote:
Only for five hundred billion nonexistant dollah.

Pay up, bish.

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Enforcer Za'Yth had this to say about dark elf butts:
And additionaly, isn't being insultive towards someone because they chose to say "no" to a request fairly disrespectful in itself? Your not-so-veiled attacks are cute, but they aren't exactly the essence of maturity either, something you claim Gikk and the others lack.

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I use the term "spoiled brat" because that's how Gikk was acting. I find it appropriate term for someone who thinks they have the privilege to put their desires above everyone else's on the board, and gets defensive when someone asks them nicely not to do it.

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Gikkwiny had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Uhm... can anyone see my posts?

Is scared.

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NO.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Cuba:
I use the term "spoiled brat" because that's how Gikk was acting. I find it appropriate term for someone who thinks they have the privilege to put their desires above everyone else's on the board, and gets defensive when someone asks them nicely not to do it.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote this stupid crap:
Neither are you the person that gets to decide your rights are more important than any other person's on this board. You might have a right to post a risque sig pic. They might have a right to look at the boards where they want to. To be completely fair, there has to be a middle ground, and compromise on both sides.

Now as I said, if you were polite and civil in your response, I might be more likely to defend your right, and try to come to that middle ground. Since you acted like a spoiled brat denied her treat, then I had no sympathy for you. In fact, since you didn't even recognize that Tael asked *politely* from the beginning and refused to change your sig until *Piper* had to point this out , and *then* of course, you "realized" it, I have even less respect for the stance you took.

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Ya know what?

Your opinon maters little to me. We dont' agree, and we won't agre, cause having seen you argue, you don'e change you stance

(Which is perfectly ok. I don't either. )

So continueing to bitch at you will achieve absolutely nothing. So we can agree to disagree, hrmm?

I'm mad for a TOTALLY different reason then you are. So... weee. *extends olive branch*

[edit] I'm not yankin back the olvie branch, but thanks for the personal attack. now I'm mad for an entirely other reason. Wee.

But let's just lay off, ok?

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Gikkwiny ]

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Lyinar Ka`Bael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I use the term "spoiled brat" because that's how Gikk was acting. I find it appropriate term for someone who thinks they have the privilege to put their desires above everyone else's on the board, and gets defensive when someone asks them nicely not to do it.

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You said "and the others". Which others are you referring to?

Additionaly, I thought we were supposed not to not use personal attacks?

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The Black Mage... had this to say about Pirotess:
[QUOTE]We were all impressed when Waisztarroz wrote:
[qb]Only for five hundred billion nonexistant dollah.

Pay up, bish.

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The dollars I'm looking for don't exist!

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Waisztarroz had this to say about the Spice Girls:
The dollars I'm looking for don't exist!

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From the book of The Black Mage..., chapter 3, verse 16:
[QUOTE]Waisztarroz had this to say about the Spice Girls:
[qb]The dollars I'm looking for don't exist!

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Maybe I need to state this differently; you can't pay me enough money to do the suckah. Sorry.

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Everyone wondered WTF when Enforcer Za'Yth wrote:
You respect my right to say it, but you felt the need to explain that I can't take disagreement.

Want a moralic highground cookie?

I think you should look at the comments you threw towards Gikk and the others in your last post, and consider the entire "assign actions" thing.

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I felt the need to explain you can't take disagreement because you persist in assiging unintended actions to me. You have said from the beginning of your disagreement that I was forcing people to do things. This is physically impossible. Moderators can do that, Drysart can do that. Therefore, the *only* thing I can do is give my opinion here.

Granted, it might be a broad opinion, but anything I say here is exactly that, opinion. I don't make the rules, so nothing I say is fact. If you want to take it as fact, go ahead. Drysart has stated in the past these were PG-13 boards, so I have upheld the belief they are PG-13 boards. That doesn't stem from my own delusions, it's something I have indeed heard from him, and since his word is God around here, I adhere to it.

So something that is very obviously bordering on the X-rated side will be something I disagree with, and don't believe fits on these boards.

And again, we come back to the main point. I cannot force anyone to do anything. You can't, I can't, we know who can. So anything I say, you say, or anyone but Drysart and Piper and the mods say, is opinion.

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Waisztarroz probably says this to all the girls:
Maybe I need to state this differently; you can't pay me enough money to do the suckah. Sorry.

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The Black Mage... had this to say about Optimus Prime:
[QUOTE]Waisztarroz probably says this to all the girls:
[qb]Maybe I need to state this differently; you can't pay me enough money to do the suckah. Sorry.

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haha u lose keke lala~~

And you're still dodging my points. Even after I said "force" was the wrong wording, you decided to cling onto that.

Why is it exactly that you said this was a PG-13 board, when no such thing is in the rules?

Why is it exactly that you decided to brand everyone with those sigpics as one, despite the varying respondes?

You very plainly said "This is wrong". There wasn't room for any interprentions there. And you expect people NOT to go on the defense?

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There was much rejoicing when Tier the Genius™ said this:
You know Banfest 2002 isn't over, don't you? I'm watching the body count with anticipation, myself.

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These boards are M FOR MATURE.

They've been that way a long time.

I know there's stuff in here I wouldn't dare let MY kids see, if I had any. I think the sigpics are the least of the problems. Especially since you can see just as bad, if not worse, on TV. (Don't beleive me? Try watching one of those Entertainment Tonight cover stories on Playboy. Sure, they never show anything explicit, but they come as close as the sigpics here do.

And Lash is another person I could put under that mantle, Za. Deth posts something non-inflammatory, Lash comes back with a smart comment. Nobody that used a risque sig and defended it on this thread has really sais anything other than "I can do what I want, waaah!". They haven't tried to give any supportable reasons why they should be allowed to have pictures that put other posters in danger of getting in trouble. And Gikk, in particular, even stated that, although the rules do allow for work viewing and content should exhibit such as Sage pointed out, people should have to limit their board viewing to places where risque things are allowed just for her and others that want to have sigs like that.

Now it is my personal opinion that's acting very spoiled and selfish. Flag this for someone to see, get me blacklisted, I don't really care. If someone acts in that manner, then I'm going to be truthful on it.

Is it the easiest thing to respond to?

You. Were. Telling. People. What. To. Do.

Good enough? Not forcing. Telling people what to do. By employing your interprention of the board rules and standards. And no, it's not an opinion. And if it's not a fact, why are you saying it? Why are you using sketchy facts to strengthen a point?

Wouldn't that be "I think they're PG-13"? "They are PG-13" leaves ZERO room for interprention, and ZERO room for doubt. It's a statement, uninformed or informed, and that you don't make the rules doesn't make it any better.

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So quoth Tier the Genius™:
You know Banfest 2002 isn't over, don't you? I'm watching the body count with anticipation, myself.

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Yeah. I'm curious if he's going to use tally marks, or numerical values.

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Enforcer Za'Yth had this to say about Captain Planet:
(Since I don't like to ninja edit)

And you're still dodging my points. Even after I said "force" was the wrong wording, you decided to cling onto that.

Why is it exactly that you said this was a PG-13 board, when no such thing is in the rules?

Why is it exactly that you decided to brand everyone with those sigpics as one, despite the varying respondes?

You very plainly said "This is wrong". There wasn't room for any interprentions there. And you expect people NOT to go on the defense?

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I already explained the PG-13 thing. Drysart has said that, I have held the belief. We had things like we have here even then, and it was still PG-13. And if there are things that go past PG-13 here sometimes, they are well marked that they are going past it. Not in someone's sig that could show up in what someone thinks is an innocent thread.

You are very plainly saying "This is right". Tell me why your broad assumption is anymore allowable than mine. At least I've tried to explain *why* I feel they don't belong here on the boards. Give me something besides people can do what they want, and we might have something to discuss.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Punky Brewster:
We agree to disagree, Gikk.

And Lash is another person I could put under that mantle, Za. Deth posts something non-inflammatory, Lash comes back with a smart comment. Nobody that used a risque sig and defended it on this thread has really sais anything other than "I can do what I want, waaah!". They haven't tried to give any supportable reasons why they should be allowed to have pictures that put other posters in danger of getting in trouble. And Gikk, in particular, even stated that, although the rules do allow for work viewing and content should exhibit such as Sage pointed out, people should have to limit their board viewing to places where risque things are allowed just for her and others that want to have sigs like that.

Now it is my personal opinion that's acting very spoiled and selfish. Flag this for someone to see, get me blacklisted, I don't really care. If someone acts in that manner, then I'm going to be truthful on it.

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So, that's two people. One other person doesn't make "others".

I'm not defending Gikk's way of defending herself, or Lash's way of defending herself. That's up to them.

I'm pointing out that you're being a hypocrite. You're bashing others for being "childish", "spoiled brats", and "disrespectful", at the same time refusing to put any other backing behind it than "because I think they are!". How is this any less being a spoiled brat than them?

"No, because I don't want to" is a fairly valid response, actually. If someone requests a thing, you have two options. Yes or no. If you don't accept a no, you're not requesting.

again you want a G rating

so stop crying plz im running out of Dry mops

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Iron Chef Cadga had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Gee lyinar your certainly bitchy today.
And it thin its kinda funny you calling people spoiled brats, since thats what you usually act like when you dont get your way

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How?

Honestly, I'm curious. I disagree. Did the world change and it suddenly became that people that disagree are spoiled brats?

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about (_|_):
I already explained the PG-13 thing. Drysart has said that, I have held the belief. We had things like we have here even then, and it was still PG-13. And if there are things that go past PG-13 here sometimes, they are well marked that they are going past it. Not in someone's sig that could show up in what someone thinks is an innocent thread.

You are very plainly saying "This is right". Tell me why your broad assumption is anymore allowable than mine. At least I've tried to explain *why* I feel they don't belong here on the boards. Give me something besides people can do what they want, and we might have something to discuss.

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Actually, Lyinar, I'm not saying the sigpics were right. Look up your facts. I was saying it's not anyone's descision if they were right or wrong other than the mod/admins, or the owners of the affected accounts.

Try reading what I say, and we might have something to discuss.

Hitting the Windows Key + M minimizes ALL windows. Handy for when yer browsing at work.

Spoiled brat.

Yet another Crusade, ill get the tar and feathers

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The Black Mage... was listening to Cher while typing:
[QUOTE]There was much rejoicing when Tier the Genius™ said this:
[qb]You know Banfest 2002 isn't over, don't you? I'm watching the body count with anticipation, myself.

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The format of your attempted rebuttal to my earlier point doesn't lend itself to quotation, so consider this a virtual quote of the other.

No, I didn't miss the word you pointed out.

On the other hand, my point remains: viewing the boards from work is explicitly acknowledged in the rules, so it's rather silly--and inappropriate--to argue that one shouldn't view them from work, or to argue that it's okay to post content regardless of the impact upon those who view from work.

Further, distinguishing between work and home is rather pointless. The reason "work" was specifically chosen as the case for limiting content is that, traditionally, it is the most restrictive. We adults have no restrictions on our home viewing, whereas we do on our work viewing. A situation, you'll note, that is exactly analogous to a minor viewing from home.

The argument, "Don't look from work if you don't like the content," is not sound.

Within reason, each of us is supposed to moderate the content of our posts so that they are work safe. I'd be willing to bet that the admonition regarding content "you" would be comfortable viewing at work is really a reference to a "reasonable person" standard.

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Enforcer Za'Yth had this to say about Matthew Broderick:

"No, because I don't want to" is a fairly valid response, actually. If someone requests a thing, you have two options. Yes or no. If you don't accept a no, you're not requesting.

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"No, because I don't want to, and if you don't like it, then don't look at the boards" is not a valid response. "No, because I don't want to, and I'll attack you because you chose to give your *opinion*" (as in Lash's case) is not a valid response either.

Request something politely, and then you might still be entitled to yes or no. Get defensive and nasty about it, and, in *my* personal opinion, you lose the opportunity for yes, because you have no given any good reason for it to be allowed, other than it's what you want, and everyone should cater to *you*.

Give a good reason for it to be allowed, and in *my* view, then yes is a possibility again. But the moment you start acting like your rights are more important, then I feel yes ceases to be an option.

(Good enough, Za? I've made it inherently clear that this is all my opinion. You don't have to agree. But this is my *opinion*. I am not stating anything as fact)

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So quoth Goodbye, Bloodsage:

The format of your attempted rebuttal to my earlier point doesn't lend itself to quotation, so consider this a virtual quote of the other.

No, I didn't miss the word you pointed out.

On the other hand, my point remains: viewing the boards from work is explicitly acknowledged in the rules, so it's rather silly--and inappropriate--to argue that one shouldn't view them from work, or to argue that it's okay to post content regardless of the impact upon those who view from work.

Further, distinguishing between work and home is rather pointless. The reason "work" was specifically chosen as the case for limiting content is that, traditionally, it is the most restrictive. We adults have no restrictions on our home viewing, whereas we do on our work viewing. A situation, you'll note, that is exactly analogous to a minor viewing from home.

The argument, "Don't look from work if you don't like the content," is not sound.

Within reason, each of us is supposed to moderate the content of our posts so that they are work safe. I'd be willing to bet that the admonition regarding content "you" would be comfortable viewing at work is really a reference to a "reasonable person" standard.

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Our points once again prove how nasty that rule is.

For instance, Delid's thread of various bits of women not wearing much.

Or the blue chick.

Or star worship threads with pics of them wearing next to nothing.

That is PART OF THIS BOARD. The sigpics were no worse then that. If you can looka t that (And not all of it had a worksafe warning) then there isnt' a problem. If you wouldn't be allowed to look at those things, then you SHOULDN'T read the boards. not just cuse of the sigpics, but because of other things that are posted here.

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Enforcer Za'Yth Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Actually, Lyinar, I'm not saying the sigpics were right. Look up your facts. I was saying it's not anyone's descision if they were right or wrong other than the mod/admins, or the owners of the affected accounts.

Try reading what I say, and we might have something to discuss.

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People are allowed to have opinions and voice them on this board. Your whole issue was because I said they were inappropriate. Well, I believe they are. You are the one acting like it's a statement from God. You're the one acting like I can change anything just from having an opinion, and you're also the one trying to deny me that right.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote, obviously thinking too hard:

"No, because I don't want to, and if you don't like it, then don't look at the boards" is not a valid response. "No, because I don't want to, and I'll attack you because you chose to give your *opinion*" (as in Lash's case) is not a valid response either.

Request something politely, and then you might still be entitled to yes or no. Get defensive and nasty about it, and, in *my* personal opinion, you lose the opportunity for yes, because you have no given any good reason for it to be allowed, other than it's what you want, and everyone should cater to *you*.

Give a good reason for it to be allowed, and in *my* view, then yes is a possibility again. But the moment you start acting like your rights are more important, then I feel yes ceases to be an option.

(Good enough, Za? I've made it inherently clear that this is all my opinion. You don't have to agree. But this is my *opinion*. I am not stating anything as fact)

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I'll quote my last post:

"Actually, Lyinar, I'm not saying the sigpics were right. Look up your facts. I was saying it's not anyone's descision if they were right or wrong other than the mod/admins, or the owners of the affected accounts.

Try reading what I say, and we might have something to discuss."

I never argued for the sigpics. I argued against your right to tell people that their sigpics were right or wrong. Since you know, that would be putting your own desires over others.

That's borderline REACHING for a reason to fight.

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Verily, Iron Chef Cadga doth proclaim:
never caleld you one
i said thats how your acting. Cause you are. I can say it if you want to.

Spoiled brat.

Yet another Crusade, ill get the tar and feathers

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How is civil disagreement acting like a spoiled brat?

And I'm really getting tired of the Crusade bullshit. Shall I start saying you're going on an Asshole Spree, when you start getting bitchy at other people, as you're wont to do?

"Oh look! Cadga's on another Asshole Spree! Everyone get the fire hose!"

Pointless, isn't it?

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Tron:
How is civil disagreement acting like a spoiled brat?

And I'm really getting tired of the Crusade bullshit. Shall I start saying you're going on an Asshole Spree, when you start getting bitchy at other people, as you're wont to do?

"Oh look! Cadga's on another Asshole Spree! Everyone get the fire hose!"

Pointless, isn't it?

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no i think Asshole Spree is a great name for it. Brings a smile to my face actually.

and its not pointless its very nice

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Lyinar Ka`Bael enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
And I'm really getting tired of the Crusade bullshit. Shall I start saying you're going on an Asshole Spree, when you start getting bitchy at other people, as you're wont to do?

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Falaanla Marr thought about the meaning of life:
Just a fun little thing I found out on TV the other night.

Hitting the Windows Key + M minimizes ALL windows. Handy for when yer browsing at work.

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Whoa! That is SO cool!

Like your pic-in-sig, BM...

But the thing is, no one else's definition of questionable really matters. No one's definition of comfortable really amtters, save for one person.

Drysart.

Thats right.

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"questionable" rating of something is solely my decision

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If Drysart doesn't deem it to be questionable, It is up to the person who uses the sig pic to change or not to change.

This thread is a WHOLE heck of a lot of opinions. Big conflicting ones. Those start flamewars. Hopefully this thread gets locked soon, i dont want to see any friends get banned.