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Adrecia Tru'Ril was listening to Cher while typing:
That game was whacky. Laz pwned at it.

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YOu had better boobs than me.

The Asian one was better than mine, though.

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We were all impressed when Mortious wrote:
Some over-sexed, desperate, people require attention. So they change their sigpics.

I ignore most of them, anyway.

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Or maybe a bunch of people just changed their sigpics as a jokingly part of the entire "Sweden" thing.

But that'd make sense. Sorry.

As Fae has pointed out, PG-13 has a very broad range. This board *has* traditionally been a PG-13 board, and everyone has respected that facet of the rules. But it does also come down to patrons respecting the other patrons, wanting to make the boards viewable by all, and there's a sad lack of that around here recently.

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Gikkwiny stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
The thing that got me was NOT that he needed it changed.

It's how no one tolerated anyone else asking, but he asks, and everyone immediatly flames all the pople with this kind of sig.

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- The sigpics were not breaking the rules.
- Taeldian asked nicely, in a polite way. Refusing that is a bit disrespectful, as Piper pointed out.

However, I don't think trying to force someone to do something they don't want to by waving with the entire "work" or "respect" is especially respectful in itself, either.

Yes, with having a sigpic that disturbs several other members of the board it would be common courtesy to remove it. But that's absolutely no reason to go out on a limb and join the "bashing bandwagon".

Like I said before, the descision lies ultimately with the sigpic or the board owners, and frankly, you don't have any business telling others what to do and not do to. It's not your boards, and if you don't like it, you can request for them to be changed, but trying to press them into doing it isn't any better in terms of common courtesy.

I guess I'd better remove that guy in my sig(For the ladies!) because HE'S NOT WEARING A SHIRT OH NOSE.

WATCH OUT, YOU MIGHT BE OFFENDED.

But that's always the risk you take when you surf the internet. /shrug

After seeing them, I had the exact opinion that Tael did, that they were rather risque, and didn't belong on the message board. I voiced my support of Tael, when so many others were giving him grief for his polite request. I even, if you'll go back and look, said I felt the moderators should remove them.

That's not pressuring anyone into anything. That's saying "I don't agree with this and here's why". You don't have to agree, you don't have to change your sig pic, but it's just as much my right to voice disagreement in a civil manner as it is their right to have that picture so long as the moderators allow it.

And I do believe it's rude, and disrespectful that Gikk and others care so little for their fellow patrons that rather than trying to explain their having risque sig pics civilly and politely, they scream "Don't look at work!" like spoiled little brats and expect everyone to cater to *them*, expect everyone else to give, and they can't be expected to compromise at all.

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]

Here's a smart idea I'm surprised no one has come up with: Make it so that we can disable sigpics from showing up through our member profile. You know...institute an "Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others" policy, that way people can still have semi-nude or erotic sigpics and those of us who worry can have our peace.

I don't doubt the power of Drysart at all; I am sure he can do it.

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Waisztarroz ]

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Can't you do something like that already in IE? Disabling pictures in the security or something like that.

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That disables all images which makes EC nigh-impossible/ugly to use, actually. Besides, it's not all images that offend, it's only certain ones.

Observe

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Waisztarroz ]

But what about things in people's signatures, like with Delid? Or are you thinking it should include those, too?

[Edit after seeing Waist's pic]

...Waist is scaring me. That IS icky.

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]

"This is a PG-13 board, those pictures don't belong here."

Pressuring might be the wrong word, but you weren't stating an opinion, you were telling people what to do.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael was naked while typing this:
True, it would be a nice feature. I wouldn't want anyone to get into trouble just because they looked at the boards, after all, and something like that would really help.

But what about things in people's signatures, like with Delid? Or are you thinking it should include those, too?

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It couldn't hurt to include pics-in-sigs, seeing as how both come with a warning of offending/worksafelessness.

Or does that only apply when it's disagreement with you?

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Verily, Adrecia Tru'Ril doth proclaim:
That game was whacky. Laz pwned at it.

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Yeeeeesss. ^_^

If you or Gikk or anyone else in question thinks that someone's disagreeing with you is "forcing" you to do anything, then you have a serious problem. The only ones that can force anyone to do anything around here are Drysart and the moderators.

For the rest of us, no matter what we say, it's strictly how we feel and believe. I'm sorry that you somehow feel threatened by my belief, but that isn't going to deny me my right to express it.

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Enforcer Za'Yth probably says this to all the girls:
How about the ability to just add a MaraShroud to your own sigpic? Click and it appears, or something.

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Nah, people might be irresponsible with that and not turn it on for their sigpic. Besides, I do feel that it is the responsibility of the offended to do the extra work to become unoffended, anyway, not extra work for people who it does not bother. While we could have something similar to what you sugguested, it work have to work in a fashion such that you could click a button on someone to turn off sigpics/pics-in-sigs from just them, and that would take a decent amount of space for Drysart's server to remember who has whose sigpics turned off.

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Enforcer Za'Yth had this to say about Pirotess:
And since you brought it up, how can't I take disagreement? I'm just voicing MY opinion on the matter. Would that mean you can't take it either?

Or does that only apply when it's disagreement with you?

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You're trying to assign actions to me that are not intended, or even possible, seeing as how I can't "force" anyone to do anything. I have no problem with disagreement. If someone disagrees with me, like you are, I accept their disagreement, as I am, and uphold my own opinion. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. I am defending my point of view in my responses to you, and whatever you say isn't going to change my belief, but I do respect your right to say it.

1)Tael asks nicely to have the girls remove their sigpic.
2)Lashanna says, in all her right, No.
3)Lyinar Crusade.
4)Deth post.
5)Lyinar Crusade.
6)Minor hi-jack.
7)More bantering with leads to...
8)Thread steers further off-topic.
9)Piper makes a opinonated attempt to recap, but clarifys the pictures are FIND AND DANDY.
10)Cadga and Delid post, thread goes off into la-la land.
11)Communism falls to Sweden.
12)One girl changes.
13)More hi-jacking.
14)Lyinar Crusade.
15)Another girl changes.
16)More bantering.
17)This recap.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
And I do believe it's rude, and disrespectful that Gikk and others care so little for their fellow patrons that rather than trying to explain their having risque sig pics civilly and politely, they scream "Don't look at work!" like spoiled little brats and expect everyone to cater to *them*, expect everyone else to give, and they can't be expected to compromise at all.

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..... Oho. Look at my sigpic.

And you know who I did it for? Tael, who asked nicely. I comprimised. However, nothing explicit was there. And if you can't look at explicit stuff at work, YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT the boards to play to what YOU think they should be, for your situation.

Ask your boss for more to do. Look at other message boards. There is other stuff posted on these boards BESIDES sigpics that would be considered HIGHLY explicit. Unless you have all pictures turned off, you enever know when someone will include an illicit picture.

You have said what "should" be. Sorry, but you aren't the person who gets to decide that.

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The Black Mage... had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Just to recap.

1)Tael asks nicely to have the girls remove their sigpic.
2)Lashanna says, in all her right, No.
3)Lyinar Crusade.
4)Deth post.
5)Lyinar Crusade.
6)Minor hi-jack.
7)More bantering with leads to...
8)Thread steers further off-topic.
9)Piper makes a opinonated attempt to recap, but clarifys the pictures are FIND AND DANDY.
10)Cadga and Delid post, thread goes off into la-la land.
11)Communism falls to Sweden.
12)One girl changes.
13)More hi-jacking.
14)Lyinar Crusade.
15)Another girl changes.
16)More bantering.
17)This recap.

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You forgot "Waisztarroz makes intelligent attempt to please both sides."

I'm hurt.

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Waisztarroz had this to say about Optimus Prime:
You forgot "Waisztarroz makes intelligent attempt to please both sides."

I'm hurt.

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Let's see. First, you promptly exclaimed "This is a PG-13 board, the pictures don't belong here.".

This isn't an opinion. Either it's a PG-13 board or not, and if it's a PG-13 board and the pictures don't belong there, they basically break the rules.

*This* is what I'm aiming at. It doesn't say "PG-13" in big letters anywhere. The pictures weren't breaking the rules, as Piper herself said.

Saying "I don't think those pictures belong here", is an opinion statement surely, but when combined with a claim that this board adheres under a certain ruleset, when there's no such rules, is quite frankly, telling people what to do, or at the very least saying "That's bad and wrong", which is more or less the essence of bigotry.

And additionaly, isn't being insultive towards someone because they chose to say "no" to a request fairly disrespectful in itself? Your not-so-veiled attacks are cute, but they aren't exactly the essence of maturity either, something you claim Gikk and the others lack.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Duck Tales:
If you or Gikk or anyone else in question thinks that someone's disagreeing with you is "forcing" you to do anything, then you have a serious problem. The only ones that can force anyone to do anything around here are Drysart and the moderators.

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... wtf? I dont' recall saying that.
EDIT: Trying to bold soemthing in a quote doesn't work, since it's all bold anyhow. Dumb me.

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Waisztarroz said this about your mom:
Nah, people might be irresponsible with that and not turn it on for their sigpic. Besides, I do feel that it is the responsibility of the offended to do the extra work to become unoffended, anyway, not extra work for people who it does not bother. While we could have something similar to what you sugguested, it work have to work in a fashion such that you could click a button on someone to turn off sigpics/pics-in-sigs from just them, and that would take a decent amount of space for Drysart's server to remember who has whose sigpics turned off.

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I agree, Waist. Given an option like this, I agree it would be the responsibility of the offended. Then if they got in trouble for looking at the boards with risque things on it, it would be their own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunity to safeguard themselves.

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The Black Mage... got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
[QUOTE]Waisztarroz had this to say about Optimus Prime:
[qb]You forgot "Waisztarroz makes intelligent attempt to please both sides."

I'm hurt.

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OMG banbanbanban u offend me

Humor disclaimer.

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Waisztarroz thought about the meaning of life:
OMG banbanbanban u offend me

Humor disclaimer.

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splurt.

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How.... The Black Mage....... uughhhhhh:
[QUOTE]Waisztarroz thought about the meaning of life:
[qb]OMG banbanbanban u offend me

Humor disclaimer.

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splurt.[/QB][/QUOTE]

I can't believe you are so insensitive, you stupid insensitive bitch.

Now I claw out your eyes! *Clawclawclawclaw*

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Waisztarroz's fortune cookie read:
I can't believe you are so insensitive, you stupid insensitive bitch.

Now I claw out your eyes! *Clawclawclawclaw*

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U SUX.

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How.... Lyinar Ka`Bael.... uughhhhhh:
You're trying to assign actions to me that are not intended, or even possible, seeing as how I can't "force" anyone to do anything. I have no problem with disagreement. If someone disagrees with me, like you are, I accept their disagreement, as I am, and uphold my own opinion. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. I am defending my point of view in my responses to you, and whatever you say isn't going to change my belief, but I do respect your right to say it.

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You respect my right to say it, but you felt the need to explain that I can't take disagreement.

Want a moralic highground cookie?

I think you should look at the comments you threw towards Gikk and the others in your last post, and consider the entire "assign actions" thing.

While it's Drysart's and the mods' call, ultimately, one cannot argue that surfing the boards from work isn't reasonable.

It's already been quoted, but here is the explicit announcement that content should be work-safe:

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You are not permitted to post porn or any "questionable" material you would feel uncomfortable viewing at work in any forum that does not explicitly permit it.

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Ergo, saying people should not view from work is not reasonable, because the rules explicitly allow it, and make it everyone's responsibility to ensure the content remains work-safe or clearly identified as otherwise.

Which cannot be done with sigpics.

Hope that wasn't your only argument.

Is scared.

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The Black Mage... had this to say about Captain Planet:
[QUOTE]Waisztarroz's fortune cookie read:
[qb]I can't believe you are so insensitive, you stupid insensitive bitch.

Now I claw out your eyes! *Clawclawclawclaw*

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U SUX. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Only for five hundred billion nonexistant dollah.

Pay up, bish.

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Gikkwiny had this to say about John Romero:
..... Oho. Look at my sigpic.

And you know who I did it for? Tael, who asked nicely. I comprimised. However, nothing explicit was there. And if you can't look at explicit stuff at work, YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT the boards to play to what YOU think they should be, for your situation.

Ask your boss for more to do. Look at other message boards. There is other stuff posted on these boards BESIDES sigpics that would be considered HIGHLY explicit. Unless you have all pictures turned off, you enever know when someone will include an illicit picture.

You have said what "should" be. Sorry, but you aren't the person who gets to decide that.

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Neither are you the person that gets to decide your rights are more important than any other person's on this board. You might have a right to post a risque sig pic. They might have a right to look at the boards where they want to. To be completely fair, there has to be a middle ground, and compromise on both sides.

Now as I said, if you were polite and civil in your response, I might be more likely to defend your right, and try to come to that middle ground. Since you acted like a spoiled brat denied her treat, then I had no sympathy for you. In fact, since you didn't even recognize that Tael asked *politely* from the beginning and refused to change your sig until *Piper* had to point this out , and *then* of course, you "realized" it, I have even less respect for the stance you took.

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Gikkwiny was listening to Cher while typing:
Uhm... can anyone see my posts?

Is scared.

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Kloie comforts Gikky.

It's okay. You wanna cookie?

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Goodbye, Bloodsage had this to say about Knight Rider:
I'd just like to point out that it's rather silly to say people shouldn't view the boards at work if they don't like the content, when the rules specifically say the content should be work-safe. That means anyone adding content should moderate their content to ensure it is work-safe, not that those who are at work should moderate their surfing lest something inappropriate show up.

While it's Drysart's and the mods' call, ultimately, one cannot argue that surfing the boards from work isn't reasonable.

It's already been quoted, but here is the explicit announcement that content should be work-safe:

Ergo, saying people should not view from work is not reasonable, because the rules explicitly allow it, and make it everyone's responsibility to ensure the content remains work-safe or clearly identified as otherwise.

Which cannot be done with sigpics.

Hope that wasn't your only argument.

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You missed that part in the rules where it says...

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You are not permitted to post porn or any "questionable" material you would feel uncomfortable viewing at work...

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The rule itself sucks, it's too open. (No offence Drys, it just doesn't work!)