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Bloodsage wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Your plaything is being stupid and annoying. She's not arguing, she's insulting.
You fucked up big time this time, boy!quote:
Really, bloodsage. Is that all I am in your eyes? Someones plaything? Maybe you should try pulling your bloated ego out of your ass.
Don't even.
You honestly think you'd last more than a nanosecond if you tried to attack me? It's only the 'net that allows such unmitigated bullshit to go unchallenged. Don't threaten violence to people you don't know. It's not healthy.
And you've yet to explain why your beloved Bajah should expect to say stupid, insulting things by way of lamely withdrawing from a lost cause, but I'm not allowed to express my disdain.
I really don't care if you don't like seeing people talk to him like that.
All you've done is reignite a situation a smarter person would've let go.
Since you must realize I'm not about to take orders from you, and you've admitted you aren't contributing a damn thing by being involved, why don't you just go away?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Gikkwiny had this to say about (_|_):
Ya know 'Sage.. referring to ANY woman that way....Fuckhead.
Oh, boy! Another useless little Chihuahua yapping at my heels!
People who can't stand to be insulted, shouldn't flame others.
Catch the hint.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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This one time, at Bloodsage camp:
You are the one who not only said everyone who disagreed was mindlessly keying on the word "warez," to which I took exception, but referred to your earlier flawed analogy as if it had made some point.
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Verily, Suchii doth proclaim:
Really, bloodsage. Is that all I am in your eyes? Someones plaything? Maybe you should try pulling your bloated ego out of your ass.
You are much lacking in clueness.
You roll in out of the clear blue to flame me, and expect to be treated with kindness and dignity? WTF are you smoking?
If you can't stand to be insulted, why did you start flaming me?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bajah had this to say about (_|_):
You're baiting me for more argument. You'll note I never said everyone who disagreed was mindlessking keying on the word 'warez.' I said 'too many people' had already jumped on the warez bandwagon. Not everyone. I didn't even name names. You, sir, began a crusade to pick apart my statements and belittle me for little to no reason over a subject that really doesn't mean a damn thing.
So you are saying that it makes little difference whether or not Azeroth gets banned? Yes, communication and clarity help! [ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Dr. Vorbis ]
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How.... Dr. Vorbis.... uughhhhhh:
So you are saying that it makes little difference whether or not Azeroth gets banned? Yes, communication and clarity help!
After what he said to Cadga, I couldn't care less either way.
Edit: 'nother typo. [ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Bajah ]
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Bloodsage thought about the meaning of life:
Oh, boy! Another useless little Chihuahua yapping at my heels!People who can't stand to be insulted, shouldn't flame others.
Catch the hint.
... Ya know, Sage...
I've noticed something. Other people argue with you about whatever you are arguing about.
You start pulling out the insults. The personal ones. Asshead, Fuckchop, plaything, idiot, dumbass.
So very mature of you. I object to you calling ANY woman a "plaything". Especially just cause someone's rained on your little parade.
And Oh, look. A Chihuahua. With sharp teeth that's gonna bite your ass.
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Bloodsage Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Suchii,Don't even.
You honestly think you'd last more than a nanosecond if you tried to attack me? It's only the 'net that allows such unmitigated bullshit to go unchallenged. Don't threaten violence to people you don't know. It's not healthy.
I did not get these scars from cooking, dipshit. I have had more victories in the past year than you could ever hope to claim. Do not let your testosterone go to your head.
And you've yet to explain why your beloved Bajah should expect to say stupid, insulting things by way of lamely withdrawing from a lost cause, but I'm not allowed to express my disdain. I really don't care if you don't like seeing people talk to him like that.quote:
I aint jumping in to defend him, christ. You are so full of yourself. I restate. Pull your bloated ego out of your ass.
All you've done is reignite a situation a smarter person would've let go.quote:
Oho, an insult to my intelligence. That is a new one 
I could argue my personal take on this all night and day, but why should I bother?
You fucked up, boy. Your original argument is flawed. You assumed he was guilty before proven innocent.
Since you must realize I'm not about to take orders from you, and you've admitted you aren't contributing a damn thing by being involved, why don't you just go away?quote:
You will not dismiss me so easily. I aint some fragile female to be shunned when I am no longer wanted. This happy go lucky mask I wear is just that. A mask. You think people would like me if I was a coldhearted, calculating bitch, just like I used to be? No, I hardly think so. A choice was made long ago.
And on the issue of contribution... I already admitted that my addition will not cause the thread itself to go anywhere. What did your contribution add? Well it seems to be pretty self evident. It also turned out just as worthless.
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Bajah Model 2000 was programmed to say:
You're baiting me for more argument.
And it seems you took the bait.
Are either of you (Bajah and Bloodsage) planning on getting any sleep tonight or will you continue to go back and forth until one cries uncle or, through some miricle, sees where the other is coming from and respects it?
As for me, the Friar's Club Roast of Hugh Hefner is on so I'll be up for a little while yet.
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How.... Lyinar.... uughhhhhh:
That picture's getting very old, Tier.
First time I've seen it. And it's so true.. yet so, so funnay!
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Bajah attempted to be funny by writing:
This one time, at Bloodsage camp:
You are the one who not only said everyone who disagreed was mindlessly keying on the word "warez," to which I took exception, but referred to your earlier flawed analogy as if it had made some point.
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You're baiting me for more argument. You'll note I never said everyone who disagreed was mindlessking keying on the word 'warez.' I said 'too many people' had already jumped on the warez bandwagon. Not everyone. I didn't even name names. You, sir, began a crusade to pick apart my statements and belittle me for little to no reason over a subject that really doesn't mean a damn thing.
Show where I belittled you for no reason.
And if you meant your accusation about people seeing the word "warez" and spazzing, then you should've named names.
As I said, that argument technique, where one posits a weak position by unnamed "others" is known as a straw man, and is both bad form and logically unsound.
My bottom line remains: there's no possible way you could know others' motivation like that, so you shouldn't have set it up as a false position against which to argue.
Just to make sure, I'll double-check the thread--I rarely take things personal first, and never without cause. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, as there seems to have been with you missing the obvious sarcasm directed at your analogy.
{edit: damned embedde quotations} [ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Gikkwiny had this to say about Knight Rider:
... Ya know, Sage...I've noticed something. Other people argue with you about whatever you are arguing about.
You start pulling out the insults. The personal ones. Asshead, Fuckchop, plaything, idiot, dumbass.
So very mature of you. I object to you calling ANY woman a "plaything". Especially just cause someone's rained on your little parade.
And Oh, look. A Chihuahua. With sharp teeth that's gonna bite your ass.
Wern't you the one that called him a fuckhead without giving him the chance to explain himself?
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The logic train ran off the tracks when JooJooFlop said:
Wern't you the one that called him a fuckhead without giving him the chance to explain himself?
... What I mean is someone's like.
"A, B, C."
And the other person is like "Oho! B is Wrong!"
And they agrue back and forth on thier reasons.
With sage, it's this: "A, B, C."
Other person: "B is wrong!"
Sage: "Listen, dumbass, B is right because of -legit reason- -insult- -insult-"
.... And I'm nto arguing with him. I'm saying he is an asshole for calling a woman a plaything.
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Gikkwiny had this to say about John Romero:
... Ya know, Sage...I've noticed something. Other people argue with you about whatever you are arguing about.
You start pulling out the insults. The personal ones. Asshead, Fuckchop, plaything, idiot, dumbass.
So very mature of you. I object to you calling ANY woman a "plaything". Especially just cause someone's rained on your little parade.
And Oh, look. A Chihuahua. With sharp teeth that's gonna bite your ass.
You don't notice very well, then. Which reinforces the point that you should stay out of the way of others' arguments if you've nothing to contribute but insult.
Here's a challenge for you: find anyplace I've cursed at someone or called them names without being insulted first. Keeping in mind, as I've stated numerous times, that I waive that in cases of racism or sexism.
Yapping about the edges of someone else's fight, attacking the one who was insulted first, is just stupid, and shows the limited thought you put into your decision to join in.
I don't care what you think. Now either substantiate your baseless charges, or go away.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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There was much rejoicing when Comrade Snoota said this:
ALL OF YOU TO YOUR ROOMS! NO SUPPER FOR YOU! I'LL BE UP LATER WHEN I'M GOOD AND LIQUORED UP TO TAKE YOU GUYS TO THE WOODSHED.
That included you, Bloodsage! TO YOUR ROOM! NOW!
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Gikkwiny had this to say about dark elf butts:
... What I mean is someone's like."A, B, C."
And the other person is like "Oho! B is Wrong!"
And they agrue back and forth on thier reasons.
With sage, it's this: "A, B, C."
Other person: "B is wrong!"
Sage: "Listen, dumbass, B is right because of -legit reason- -insult- -insult-"
.... And I'm nto arguing with him. I'm saying he is an asshole for calling a woman a plaything.
So you're responding to one flame with another while making no attempt to add anything constructive to the argument?
Everybody in this goddamn argument really should take a step back and look at themselves and look at what they're arguing about. Absolutely nothing.
I don't think I've ever really said this in regards to things you've said before, Sage, but you've really, really crossed a line here. I've seen you insult people for the sake of argument but some of the insults you've posted here just go beyond being reasonable, completely.
[quote]You fucked up, boy. Your original argument is flawed. You assumed he was guilty before proven innocent.[quote]
The mere fact that you don't see the gaping logical flaw in this statement proves you aren't qualified to be having this conversation.
My argument is flawed, because I assumed he was guilty? 
First, the Constitutional protections regarding assumptions of innocence until guilt is proven, apply to civil and criminal proceedings under US law. I'm pretty sure no one's been charged with a crime, and the government isn't pressing any charges. So that red herring is right out.
Second, you'll note, if you would read the thread, that my arguments are not based upon assumption at all, but rather take into account Asseroth's behavior after the initial post, as well as the initial post itself.
Using your logic, Bajah's argument is even more flawed, since it relies solely upon a particular reading of the initial post, and fails to explain the later lack of explicit denial.
Finally, you should back off the threatening thing. It's meaningless. You obviously think you're tough. Go you.
How many people have you killed, and how long have you been training to do it? I get to hang out with some pretty tough folks too.
But what's the point? You think it's somehow cool to threaten someone, knowing damn well you're safe and cozy behind your computer? I'm supposedly a bad person because you think I have to have the last word, yet you're cool because you threaten violence when you're insulted? Even after you initiated the flames?
All you've done is insult me and spout "Bajah is right, no matter what!" Yet I'm supposed to respect your opinion, and listen when you give orders?
Get over yourself.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Keeping in mind, as I've stated numerous times, that I waive that in cases of racism or sexism.
This means that you feel very strongly about these topic, yaes?
Soo... WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ALL A WOMAN A PLAYTHING?
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Gikkwiny had this to say about John Romero:
... What I mean is someone's like."A, B, C."
And the other person is like "Oho! B is Wrong!"
And they agrue back and forth on thier reasons.
With sage, it's this: "A, B, C."
Other person: "B is wrong!"
Sage: "Listen, dumbass, B is right because of -legit reason- -insult- -insult-"
.... And I'm nto arguing with him. I'm saying he is an asshole for calling a woman a plaything.
You should really point to someplace I've done that.
If you'll notice in this thread, for example, it was Bajah on page 3 who decided to make me, personally, rather than my arguments the issue.
Instead of blindly hurling accusations, why don't you go find a few examples. If I do it as often as you allege, then there shouldn't be any shortage.
Further, if it's a sin, why is it not when you simply roll in and insult people? Shouldn't you take your own advice, and remain calmly logical regardless of the provocation?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Since all the major points have already been brought up by now, and everyone's examined and reexamined Azeroth's posts, I think the best course of action would just be to wait until Azeroth comes back on and gives clarification and/or apology. And if he doesn't come back into this thread... well, it's not like we were getting anywhere anyway; all the accusations that can be made have been made.
As for this whole fight, I don't see why it even has to happen. Bajah, is it really worth it to fight this hard over whether Azeroth was wrong in his first post, or was just wrong after he insulted Cadga? It was either a bad joke with understandable commentary that Azeroth failed to handle well, or it was a badly placed warez statement with understandable commentary he failed to handle well. It's hardly worth this kind of bloodbattle. Yes, Bloodsage got personal, because I believe he felt he was being personally attacked. That doesn't mean that the whole thing has to blow up like this, there are other ways that this kind of thing can be handled.
And Gikkwiny, if it makes you feel any better, just remember that Bloodsage used an almost identical insult aimed at Ja'Deth back when they were arguing heavily a few weeks ago. It's not a sexist comment for Bloodsage, just an insulting comment. [ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Chalesm ]
(Note: I don't mean to bring the whole Bloodsage-Ja'Deth fight back up, that finally seems to have ended. Just pointing out that the insult isn't necessarily a sexist one for Bloodsage, that he's used it towards guys as well as girls)
In the beginning the Universe was created.Douglas Adams, 1952-2001
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Suddar Williams wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Oh my god...Everybody in this goddamn argument really should take a step back and look at themselves and look at what they're arguing about. Absolutely nothing.
I don't think I've ever really said this in regards to things you've said before, Sage, but you've really, really crossed a line here. I've seen you insult people for the sake of argument but some of the insults you've posted here just go beyond being reasonable, completely.
Where. Don't give me this bullshit. Point to a fucking example.
If you'd read the goddamn thread, you'd see it was Bajah who made this personal and started the insults. Since, I've simply been responding to the attacks.
Or are you trying to say Suchii's unprovoked attack doesn't deserve a like response?
Or that Gikkwinny can simply barge in and insult me, but I haven't the right to respond?
Point to where I started the insults.
{edit: embarrassing tpyo} [ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Sometimes even provoked insults can go too far.
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Gikkwiny had this to say about Knight Rider:
This means that you feel very strongly about these topic, yaes?Soo... WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ALL A WOMAN A PLAYTHING?
"Plaything" is a gender-neutral term.
Do you have any other ridiculous things to shout toward me?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Chalesm had this to say about pies:
And Gikkwiny, if it makes you feel any better, just remember that Bloodsage used an almost identical insult aimed at Ja'Deth back when they were arguing heavily a few weeks ago. It's not a sexist comment for Bloodsage, just an insulting comment.
..... BS is constantly jumping on people for being ambiguous with their posts. He's always telling people to be clear and concise and whatnot. Its not my fault if he doesn't practice what he preaches.
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Bloodsage Model 2000 was programmed to say:
"Plaything" is a gender-neutral term.Do you have any other ridiculous things to shout toward me?
..... you were calling someone's girlfriend thier "plaything." And.. you can still defend yourself? You don't see the wrongness of this? Looks bewildered
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Bloodsage had this to say about Optimus Prime:
"Suchii-logic" in a nutshell:[quote]You fucked up, boy. Your original argument is flawed. You assumed he was guilty before proven innocent.[quote]
The mere fact that you don't see the gaping logical flaw in this statement proves you aren't qualified to be having this conversation.
My argument is flawed, because I assumed he was guilty?
First, the Constitutional protections regarding assumptions of innocence until guilt is proven, apply to civil and criminal proceedings under US law. I'm pretty sure no one's been charged with a crime, and the government isn't pressing any charges. So that red herring is right out.
Since when was that expected to stop me? A logical argument is an impossibility, if everyone followed logic, then there would be no argument. Do not try to counter with delcaring this a debate, because a debate this is not.
All you've done is insult me and spout "Bajah is right, no matter what!" Yet I'm supposed to respect your opinion, and listen when you give orders? Get over yourself.quote:
How about we change that around a bit.
All you have done is insult me and spout "I am right, no matter what!" Yet I am supposed to respect your opinion, and listen when you give orders? Get over yourself.quote:
Our arguments exactly!
This could continue all damn night. It is quite obvious that both of us have far too much pride to surrender the argument. You can post your ironclad rebuttals all you want, and I will illogically rip them apart and drag them around just for funsies. How about we both just drop it right here and stop pissing everyone off. 
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So quoth Suddar Williams:
=\Sometimes even provoked insults can go too far.
Hey, this thing was winding down, until Suchii and Gikkwiny decided to interject their "contributions."
You just add to the bullshit, by attacking me, rather than the ones who started the goddamn fight in the first place. Last I checked, nothing requires that I sit back and allow random people to snipe at me.
Or to put up with Bajah telling me I'm the problem here. Last I checked, we were debating whether the response to the alleged joke was warranted. If he can't hang arguing that point, I feel no reason to put up with him attacking me as a substitute.
I gave him every chance to back off, but he chose to take it ever more personal, ending with the whiney assertion that, even though he can't argue, he's a better person than I am.
Yeah, so much better at reading people that he completely missed the obvious sarcasm in my earlier post about his analogy. Sort of shoots his assertion he can read people's intent better than I can, huh?
So why don't you do what's right, rather than simply jumping on the "attack Bloodsage" bandwagon?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Gikkwiny stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
..... you were calling someone's girlfriend thier "plaything." And.. you can still defend yourself? You don't see the wrongness of this? Looks bewildered
He called someone a "plaything". That someone just happened to be a woman. He didn't call her that BECAUSE she was a woman. If he had called her that because she was a woman, it would be sexist. But he didn't. So it's not.
Like Chelsem pointed out, he called Ja'Deth Lyniar's "plaything" a while back when he lept to her defense, too. Was that sexist? No? So stfu already. I don't mind you, Gikk, but it's getting annoying how you jump into every Bloodsage post and do nothing but insult him, while telling him not to insult other people.
And when Snoota gets annoyed, he gets angry.
And when Snoota gets angry..
SNOOTA SMASH!
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Gikkwiny enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
..... you were calling someone's girlfriend thier "plaything." And.. you can still defend yourself? You don't see the wrongness of this? Looks bewildered
What the hell is your problem? Are you saying it's sexist even to insult a girl?
That's pretty damned sexist.
"Plaything" is a gender-neutral term. It's an insult that can be addressed to either sex. In short, there's nothing sexist about it.
So go away, or try to prove your point with logic, rather than your baseless feelings.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
So, in keeping with Parce-Logic, may I suggest we all exit this thread Post Haste as the flames could seriously hurt someone. Remember, the elevator cannot be used in this situation so use the stairs.
ONO! GODWIN'S LAW! THREAD IS OVER! [ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Comrade Snoota ]
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Comrade Snoota attempted to be funny by writing:
Flaming is for Nazis.ONO! GOODWIN'S LAW! THREAD IS OVER!
Thank you.
The worst insult you've mananged all night is your stupid comparison of the tripe you're spouting with what was said before you chose to interject your bullshit.
ONO!!1 Logic doesn't work for me! I must now say it cannot be! There IS no logic--only my brand of useless bullshit!
You just keep thinking that.
Besides, if any of what you say is true, you should be jumping Bajah's case for coming into the argument so late in the first place. After all, if there's no logic, and no reason to debate, he should have kept his mouth shut just like you keep insisting I should.
Right?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
I'm sorry for just addressing you, but it was what was most prominent on my mind at the time. I'm not trying to attack you. I swear.
All I'm saying is: even a provoked response can go too far." And that is something you often do. You go too far on the smallest things--somebody posts in a fit of anger and you tell them their life is worthless. And while they carry half of the blame you have to remember that you do too, and you aren't always in the right. Neither is Bajah. Neither is Suchii. Neither is Gikkweny (sorry, I'm not checking how to spell it, I'm going right to bed...). Neither am I
You aren't in the position to tell me what is and what isn't the right thing. Honestly. While you and Suchii are bickering, while you refuse to just swallow your pride and agree to disagree, how can you possibly call that in the right? And you, Bajah, how can you possibly say you can read somebody better than Bloodsage, who you hardly even KNOW, when you could be just as wrong since nobody really knows what point he was trying to convey?
Suchii probably should've stayed out of it. She didn't. You turn around, Bloodsage, and insult their entire relationship, whether or not you really MEANT it, by calling her nothing more than a "plaything." While you may not've been serious, and while you may not actually believe it to be true, the fact is you said it--you said it, and it's going to affect people. It's going to provoke people.
And then you people just bicker, and bicker, and bicker, and the original point's been lost. So why can't you all just swallow your pride and go the fuck to bed?
