Gabriel and Michael are the only named angels in Scripture.
However, angels, cherubim, seraphim, etc. are described throughout, particularly in Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Revelations.
Hope that helps. [ 04-16-2002: Message edited by: Gydyon ]
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Use it to choose names for characters in a pinch. 
Cost me $4.50 at some new-age store.
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This one time, at Gydyon camp:
The ranks of angels and heavenly heirarchy is actually more of a held tradition rather than Scriptural.Gabriel and Michael are the only named angels in Scripture.
However, angels, cherubim, seraphim, etc. are described throughout, particularly in Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Revelations.
Hope that helps.
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Ah, Thanks! Also, are there any versions of the Bible that you would like to recommend (keep in mind that I am seeking historical accuracy (to early versions of the Bible)); I have recently become interested in the Judeo-Christian types of religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaica) and have finally decided, after all my protest, to read the Bible, as to not be misinformed.
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The ranks of angels and heavenly heirarchy is actually more of a held tradition rather than Scriptural.Gabriel and Michael are the only named angels in Scripture.
However, angels, cherubim, seraphim, etc. are described throughout, particularly in Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Revelations.
Hope that helps.
you forgot the Angel Lucifer (The Morning Star), his role changed of course, but he is still a named angel
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Ah, Thanks! Also, are there any versions of the Bible that you would like to recommend (keep in mind that I am seeking historical accuracy (to early versions of the Bible)); I have recently become interested in the Judeo-Christian types of religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaica) and have finally decided, after all my protest, to read the Bible, as to not be misinformed.
You want historical accuracy. or easy to read?
King james if you want accuracy.
New international version for easyness.
Tho I use, and Particularly like New king James. Took out all the thees and thou's, and other old english terms. Yet left it for the most part, untouched.
Be sure and read the part about Jesus dieing for your sins too.
They all get the Word across. Any more debate on it could easily turn into a slippery slope.
For a good rendering that has been recently (as in this centruy) translated based on the most recently-discovered documents and the traditional source texts(Dead Sea scrolls and the like), the NIV. It is not a word for word translation however, but is instead concept for concept, so it reads better in English but is not as precise as KJ.
The recent discoveries have not changed anything too much, though -- the older texts discovered were basically the same as the texts previously used.
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Even Middle English is damned hard to wade through.
You're thinking of Elizabethan or Shakespearean English. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Just a linguistic note: Old English is not "thee" and "thou" and "mayhap, good sir." Were you to see an Old English text, you'd not be able to read it, because it is much closer to its Germanic roots than modern English.Even Middle English is damned hard to wade through.
You're thinking of Elizabethan or Shakespearean English.
Also get a Commentary.
You could go to www.blueletterbible.com. It has a concordance, several commentaries, and you can look up any scripture you want. It is in KJV but you can always look at the verse in a different translation if you want to.
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Go Anglo-Saxon!
Exactly what I was thinking as a great example of Old English.
If you ever get the chance to hear that read by someone who speaks the language, do so. It'll give you goosebumps.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Exactly what I was thinking as a great example of Old English.If you ever get the chance to hear that read by someone who speaks the language, do so. It'll give you goosebumps.
I did once get to listen to some old english, I got to hear part of Beowulf read in the original old english.
To be honest, I couldn't quite shake the vauge feeling that I was hearing the Swedish chef from the muppets. Of course, I was much younger then, I'd probably appreciate the tonal quality much more now.
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When one of my English profs read it, though, he had not only a nice, deep voice, but a flair for dramatic reading that helped a lot.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Would you take your kids, lock them in a room with toys, but say, "You can play with anything but what's in the toybox in the corner . . ."? The result seems foreordained.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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That's the funny part about the whole Garden of Eden thing.Would you take your kids, lock them in a room with toys, but say, "You can play with anything but what's in the toybox in the corner . . ."? The result seems foreordained.
Funny you say that, I was at a sermon once, the pastor said "If Adam didn't bite the apple, I would have."
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No one really knows why Bloodsage wrote
That's the funny part about the whole Garden of Eden thing.
Would you take your kids, lock them in a room with toys, but say, "You can play with anything but what's in the toybox in the corner . . ."? The result seems foreordained.
You forget one thing. They weren't kids.
The story had more to do with disobeying God anyway than about eating fruit. If it hadn't been the fruit it would have been something else.
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No one really understood why Emil wrote
I know quite a bit about the bible as well, unfortunately what I learned made me leave the faith. Too much knowledge...bit the apple too many times.
Courious, what exactly did you learn, and how did you learn it?
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You forget one thing. They weren't kids.
The story had more to do with disobeying God anyway than about eating fruit. If it hadn't been the fruit it would have been something else.
So, you're saying they weren't innocents? That they were adult, experienced, worldly people?
I hadn't heard that version.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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So, you're saying they weren't innocents? That they were adult, experienced, worldly people?I hadn't heard that version.
They were adult and experienced yes. Worldly? Depends on what you mean. But they were most likely fully matured physically, mentally, and Spiritually.
And who knows, maybe God wanted them to fall. Makes a much more interesting story than endless days in the Park.
Regardless, the serpent would have found another way to tempt them if the tree were not available. And somethings are much worse than eating forbidden fruit.
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You take a being, you give it free will, a forbidden action, and an infinite amount of time (there was no death in the garden of eden). You were pretty much garunteed from the get-go that something was going to eventually go wrong, if not in a hundred or a thousand years, then in a billion or trillion years. An unpredictable being is eventually going to do something you don't expect. [ 04-17-2002: Message edited by: Chalesm ]
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Having been created fully mature and living in Paradise doesn't fit my notion of an environment that nurtures the skills necessary to resist temptation of any kind.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Courious, what exactly did you learn, and how did you learn it?
Well..that's quite a story, I've been religious most of my life, and have gone from Pentecostal to Jehovah Witness, I took Comparative Religions and The Bible in college, one of my closest friends is a pastor, and he's a bible nut this guy, he loves cults and other religions as well, they fascinate him.
I've actually preached a couple of times, when I was a Baptist, I was also leader of the youth group when I was a teenager in high school.
Basically what I learned is that The Bible is written some 60 years (please correct me, I'm hazy, been a while) after the death of Jesus. It was not written by the apostles, but by 4 priests.
Now, there is a faith component, but you have to believe these 4 men who wrote the bible over a period of a couple of decades anyway (probably much more, but anyway) were divinely inspired by God. It breaks down for me there, the Bible is very political, and has caused a tremendous amount of grief, but also hope I admit.
I think it's inconsistent in places, but we could fight all night about that. People have been fighting for centuries, I just believe what I believe, with the option of changing my mind of course.
This is strictly dealing with the new testament, the old testament is a different creature altogether. [ 04-17-2002: Message edited by: Emil ]
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And aside from the innocent/non-innocent question:You take a being, you give it free will, a forbidden action, and an infinite amount of time (there was no death in the garden of eden). You were pretty much garunteed from the get-go that something was going to eventually go wrong, if not in a hundred or a thousand years, then in a billion or trillion years. An unpredictable being is eventually going to do something you don't expect.
God had a plan. He knows all, THUS, he knew this was going to happen...think of it this way, got us saved quicker =p
Anyway, since God did give them free will, and is said to be both Omni-potent and Omnicient then he must have known that they would have fallen, and would have had the power to stop it, but didn't. I mean, think, all he had to do was be in the right place at the right time, at any time, and they most likely would have never even considered doing what they did. But he didn't.
So, he let them fall for the Chance to revive them again. Makes a great love story, if you think about it. Sort of anyway.
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But that was a long, multi-page thread from long ago it's too late in the evening to ressurect.
Suffice it to say that if God--or anyone else--can know with 100% certainty what you're going to do, you really have no choice in the matter. Without a finite, positive probability of choosing more than one action, there is no free will.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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So, you're saying they weren't innocents? That they were adult, experienced, worldly people?
The bible doesn't really tell us what age they were in the Garden of Eden. We can only assume that they were adults when this happened, because they gave birth to a child after being exiled.
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The bible doesn't really tell us what age they were in the Garden of Eden. We can only assume that they were adults when this happened, because they gave birth to a child after being exiled.
My point was that they were never children.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage said this about your mom:
Free will and omniscience can't exist in the same universe.But that was a long, multi-page thread from long ago it's too late in the evening to ressurect.
Suffice it to say that if God--or anyone else--can know with 100% certainty what you're going to do, you really have no choice in the matter. Without a finite, positive probability of choosing more than one action, there is no free will.
Didn't the Calvinists believe that? Only 10% was going to heaven? It didn't matter what you did, but be good, cause you might go.
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That's all well and good, but if he knows the outcome of a given decision point, then there is no free will.
It just means he can see the future. Right now, what we do is basically free will. Moving our hands, typing, eating something, is free will.
God is just, well, God, and knows what's going to happen.
(Hope I got that right, bleh.)
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
I'm not sure if there is really such a thing as total and complete free will anyway.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Emil said:
Didn't the Calvinists believe that? Only 10% was going to heaven? It didn't matter what you did, but be good, cause you might go.
Yeah the Calvinists believed one's entry into Heaven was predetermined. They acted all goody-goody, not in hopes of influencing Fate, but as a way to show their neighbors that they were obviously of the chosen.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
