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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Karnaj was all like:
Uh...well, I meant the 'we' in a broader-than-IHOP sense.

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Demitri wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
This is a circle arguement. I could make a point here about most records now being ten songs of shit, when you only want one of them. The one that, most likely, isn't released on a single. It's just pointless, this entire thread has been pointless, aside from how damn funny it is.

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If I like a song well enough, I'll buy the CD and take my chances. Fifteen bucks doesn't mean that much to me.

What, exactly is your argument? That if you want something, you should just be able to steal it if it's not packaged conveniently?

"Well, officer, I only wanted the tank of gas, but it was stuck to this car . . . so it's okay if I just take the whole thing?"

And, frankly, I do consider myself a better person than anyone who thinks it's okay to steal whenever they want something they can't or won't afford. Deal with it. At least I can argue that my chosen ethos doesn't undermine society or prey upon others.

Neener.

{add: connection died and had to restart}

And if you're going to quote me, then quote me. Using the quote function in a vain attempt to ridicule someone is silly. If it's a few posts down, then

Bloodsage,

Text follows . . .

is quite sufficient to get my attention.

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Black Wizard had this to say about Robocop:
UBB > You[/QB]

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Too true.

GOD DAMNIT. I HATE YOU UBB. I HATE HATE HATE YOU. BURN IN HELL.

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Black Wizard had this to say about Punky Brewster:
[QUOTE]So what are you going to do about it? Hmm? Chide her on how morally wrong it is? Going to teach us a few lessons? Well go ahead and get it over with. Because,

We don't fucking care.

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You.
Are.
My.
Other.
Hero.

I may ask Maradon to step down, though.

Drysart, I'm sorry, but... I can't take your side on this one. You may be right but,

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Black Wizard had this to say about Punky Brewster:
[QUOTE]We don't fucking care.

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Bloodsage had this to say about (_|_):
What, exactly is your argument?

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My argument? That this thread is completely pointless. It has been since the ninth or tenth posts.

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Black Wizard had this to say about Optimus Prime:
[QUOTE]Bloodsage impressed everyone with:
[qb]It's really too bad you think stealing is okay.

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We don't fucking care.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Uh, if you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed I said I actually respect that attitude more than the disingenuous rationalizations others seem so fond of.

And when have you ever known me to give a flying fuck whether anyone else cared when I voiced my opinion? Last I checked, this thread was asking for opinions.

As usual, though, those whose ideas are logically indefensible are attempting to shout down those actually making a point. It's fine to disagree. Even to disagree on basic principles. But try to find a better argument than, "Fuck you!"

That's no fun at all.

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Bloodsage impressed everyone with:
What, exactly is your argument?

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Well, I dunno about these guys, but I'll argue that, while MP3 trading is illegal, it is almost unstoppable. I refer you to my posts on page 4 for my principal points.

If you see no point in arguing it, I understand.

If you think it's so pointless

*gasp*
Don't Post

You guys and Ocy and a slew of others have a REALLY big problem with coming into threads and saying things being discussed are stupid and pointless just because *you* don't feel like arguing them.

Don't wanna argue them, then don't post on the damn thread. Simple as that. Nobody cares what you think is pointless and it really serves nothing to inform the whole board repeatedly about it.

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Lyinar had this to say about Robocop:
Dem, BW
If you think it's so pointless
*gasp*
Don't Post

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Unless you haven't noticed, which you don't, alot of the time.
I'm both arguing and calling for this thread to end.
All possible points have been argued, but some people keep trying to put the thread out with gasoline.

Edit: And, not to mention, this whole thing is very very entertaining.

Edit Two: Hell, look at the post below this one. That is a prime example of what we don't need.

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Check out the big brain on Lashanna!
And your tears do nothing.

Get over it, Azizza, and, well, Die plz k thx. (Go to Hell)

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Yeah the tears do nothing. The world is still going to hell because young people as a whole are idiots now adays.

Why the hell is it that people here cant have a normal discussion without it turning into a flamewar. I posted a situation asking how you all would feel and how you view it and you people act like little kids who are having thier toys stolen.

real mature there people.

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Lyinar had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Dem, BW

If you think it's so pointless

*gasp*
Don't Post

You guys and Ocy and a slew of others have a REALLY big problem with coming into threads and saying things being discussed are stupid and pointless just because *you* don't feel like arguing them.

Don't wanna argue them, then don't post on the damn thread. Simple as that. Nobody cares what you think is pointless and it really serves nothing to inform the whole board repeatedly about it.

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Demitri had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Unless you haven't noticed, which you don't, alot of the time.
I'm both arguing and calling for this thread to end.
All possible points have been argued, but some people keep trying to put the thread out with gasoline.

Edit: And, not to mention, this whole thing is very very entertaining.

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You had more than your say. If other want to have their say as well, let them. It's not your decision to just suddenly state when the thread should end. When people want to stop talking about it, they will. Going around trolling about it being pointless is what's pointless and immature.

Oh why look this is the first post in this thread that wasnt an insult to someone

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Karnaj wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Well, I dunno about these guys, but I'll argue that, while MP3 trading is illegal, it is almost unstoppable. I refer you to my posts on page 4 for my principal points.

If you see no point in arguing it, I understand.

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I don't see that as a defense of theft. Every thief will tell you he didn't think he'd get caught, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted.

I'd reply, but I honestly have trouble understanding your logic. International terrorism is impossible to stop completely. Should we quit bitching about it and make it legal and acceptable? How many years did it take to catch the Unibomber? Should we have stopped, and made the behavior legal?

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Lyinar had this to say about Punky Brewster:
You had more than your say. If other want to have their say as well, let them. It's not your decision to just suddenly state when the thread should end. When people want to stop talking about it, they will. Going around trolling about it being pointless is what's pointless and immature.

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Lyinar stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
You had more than your say. If other want to have their say as well, let them. It's not your decision to just suddenly state when the thread should end. When people want to stop talking about it, they will. Going around trolling about it being pointless is what's pointless and immature.

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Sorry, I'm just trying to be like standard around here.
Y'know, pushing my opinions on any and every one who will listen, making unneeded jabs at people who aren't attending or involved.

The basics.

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Check out the big brain on Lashanna!
Erm... I forgot what I was going to post...

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I know that feeling! Load times on these huge threads are getting better, but . . . . And fast-moving conversations are hard to keep up with anyway.

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Black Wizard stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
[QUOTE]Lyinar had this to say about Punky Brewster:
[qb]You had more than your say. If other want to have their say as well, let them. It's not your decision to just suddenly state when the thread should end. When people want to stop talking about it, they will. Going around trolling about it being pointless is what's pointless and immature.

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Well, I guess you're getting a taste of what people feel when you tell them to shut up cause they don't have a right to express their opinions on a subject since you've deemed it closed, oh Mighty Debate King.

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Lyinar had this to say about Robocop:

Well, I guess you're getting a taste of what people feel when you tell them to shut up cause they don't have a right to express their opinions on a subject since you've deemed it closed, oh Mighty Debate King.

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Lyinar wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I think if the music industry stopped seeing file sharing as their enemy, they could turn it around and make a profit from it. There was talk of making Napster a subscription service at one point. Now, while they would lose people that didn't want to pay, others would be more than willing to pay to have access to new bands, hard-to-find things, or just that one song off a CD that they liked. I pay $10 every month to play in an imaginary world where I kill things and chat and go on quests. I wouldn't mind pay for easy access to songs that others have available.

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That, like many other ideas, including Len's about stricter laws, just isn't practicle or possible.

If you charge people for something, or shut something down, another free source will spring up. It's inevitable.

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Azizza had this to say about pies:
Yeah the tears do nothing. The world is still going to hell because young people as a whole are idiots now adays.

Why the hell is it that people here cant have a normal discussion without it turning into a flamewar. I posted a situation asking how you all would feel and how you view it and you people act like little kids who are having thier toys stolen.

real mature there people.

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Az, I hardly think we're the ones who made it a flame war, or is it just some odd coincidence that flames seem drawn to you like, well, moths to a flame?

Az, you didn't care how we felt about the situation, you wanted another chance to preach morality to us,

Az, we're not idiots, we're not taking the world to hell in a handbasket, and you yourself aren't that incredibly mature (looking mature, and thinking mature are two different things). We just don't want to hear your pointless preaching. We know it's wrong, but it isn't an incredible detriment to our society. The nation's economy hasn't plummeted because if it. At any rate, you're still using E-books in an MP3 discussion,

Go Lyinar, go Lyinar!

Anyway, she's got a point. It's not that you two have no right to speak, but that you've got no right--as you've been doing--to tell others they can't and declare the conversation closed.

If you're done, then leave. If not, try to come up with something more creative than, "Fuck you!"

Neener.

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Black Wizard had this to say about dark elf butts:
[QUOTE]Lyinar had this to say about Punky Brewster:
[qb]You had more than your say. If other want to have their say as well, let them. It's not your decision to just suddenly state when the thread should end. When people want to stop talking about it, they will. Going around trolling about it being pointless is what's pointless and immature.

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The difference is that she is saying "Give everyone an chance to say thier piece".
You are saying "Shut the hell up it is my way or no way if you don't agree then I will have Drysart lock this thread."

If I were to write a song, I would WANT one to go on Napster. Think of how many MILLIONS of people would d/l it and listen to it!

I would be really flattered if a lot of people d/l'd a song of mine, because I would write it for the ENJOYMENT people get out of hearing it. I wouldn't be in it for the money.

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Black Wizard impressed everyone with:
[QUOTE]Lyinar had this to say about Robocop:
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Well, I guess you're getting a taste of what people feel when you tell them to shut up cause they don't have a right to express their opinions on a subject since you've deemed it closed, oh Mighty Debate King.

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You know, that doesn't make a bit of sense

Everyone around here gets annoyed with me cause I *keep* debating something. Not cause I declare it shouldn't be debated on anymore just cause I run out of intelligent things to say.

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Lashanna had this to say about dark elf butts:
Az, I hardly think we're the ones who made it a flame war, or is it just some odd coincidence that flames seem drawn to you like, well, moths to a flame?

Az, you didn't care how we felt about the situation, you wanted another chance to preach morality to us,

Az, we're not idiots, we're not taking the world to hell in a handbasket, and you yourself aren't that incredibly mature (looking mature, and thinking mature are two different things). We just don't want to hear your pointless preaching. We know it's wrong, but it isn't an incredible detriment to our society. The nation's economy hasn't plummeted because if it. At any rate, you're still using E-books in an MP3 discussion,

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Actually if you read back through the thread you would see that I did not turn this anyway into a flame. Someone else started that whole mess.
And I was using the E-book to make a point. If you think it is ok for MP3s then what about e-books. And where does it end.
It is called starting a discussion.

Maybe next time I will put a warrning that it is for mature adults only and people with immature mindsets should stay away.

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Check out the big brain on Bloodsage!
I don't see that as a defense of theft. Every thief will tell you he didn't think he'd get caught, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted.

I'd reply, but I honestly have trouble understanding your logic. International terrorism is impossible to stop completely. Should we quit bitching about it and make it legal and acceptable? How many years did it take to catch the Unibomber? Should we have stopped, and made the behavior legal?

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OK, I'll try to explain. What the hey, I might actually make sense! (fat chance)

You say that MP3 trading is theft, and theft is wrong. That's true. It's also, in principle, illegal. However, the illegality is not the question. The question is: can it be stopped?

You place terrorism on the same plane with MP3 priacy. However, that doesn't mean we should devote the same resources to combating it that we do terrorism, because they are fundamentally different. They're both wrong, yes, but they have differing aims and, as such, require different attention.

So, is it worth it, I argue, to devote enough resources to combat the MP3 problem as we do (for example)terrorism? I don't think it is.

That help? *looks hopeful

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We were all impressed when Kameks wrote:
You go to a libary. On the shelfs are hundreds of books men and women poured hours and hours into writing. The libary purchased these books for cost and then proceded to give them out free. People would come and go taking a book reading it and returning it knowing full well they would not buy it. Sure occasionally a person would read a book and then buy it but these people were few and far between.

Over time hundreds of people would read these books. These people were therefore in a way stealing from the writers and publishers, after all why buy the book when you can read it for free just as easily. So these libarys are now loaning out free books that keep others from buying the book and helping the writers earn a better profit for their work.

That being said i think napster and morpheous are wrong wrong wrong.

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Azizza wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
And I was using the E-book to make a point. If you think it is ok for MP3s then what about e-books. And where does it end.
It is called starting a discussion.

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I thought I said this already.. Pirating an Ebook is much more wrong than a single MP3.

Overall, more work goes into a book than a single song, and you don't pay for a single song. You pay for ten to a dozen of em.

You can also get into the point that a music album, in general, will sell more copies than your average book. There's a much bigger demographic for music than books, sadly.

This thread has turned into a flame-fest, is completely pointless, and has degraded from an intelligent conversation to a large mass of incomprehensible arguing that's got pretty much the same weight as "NUH UH, YOU STUPID POO POO HEAD". A lock would be VERY useful right now.

As Leopold would say (and because I don't have the damn image URL):
CEASE
SPEAKING

(and yes, this is the second adn last post I'm going to make so I don't sound stupid)

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The Otaku Penguin had this to say about Pirotess:
Ok, look at it this way.

If I were to write a song, I would WANT one to go on Napster. Think of how many MILLIONS of people would d/l it and listen to it!

I would be really flattered if a lot of people d/l'd a song of mine, because I would write it for the ENJOYMENT people get out of hearing it. I wouldn't be in it for the money.

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But that's just you--and you say that only because making music isn't your livlihood.

Now what if you were trying to make music for a living, and you got jack for royalties because everyone stole your albums rather than buying them? And your record label dropped you because CD sales were abysmal?

The truly sad thing is, it would probably require more resources to combat all American mp3s than it would to combat American terrorism. Of course, I haven't done any numbers yet, because I don't feel like it.

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Kameks had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Quoted because i still feel it's a good example

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