quote:
Demitri had this to say about John Romero:
I still haven't beaten that..
It's not worth beating.
quote:
Aeadil wrote this stupid crap:
It's not worth beating.
I didn't think so. I hate that damn attack where all your party's hp drops to 1.
Should we get back "on topic"?
quote:/agree
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
First off...Do you want to be idealistic or realistic?*WHACK*OH YEAH! THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESN'T IT? *WHACK* OH YEAH BABY! DETHESSAY!*WHACK*
Before electronic money transfers, the wealth was held in a bank, in cash, treasury notes, or gold bullion. If you wanted to get your money, you had to go to THAT SPECIFIC BANK. Not another branch. Certainly not another bank. That specific building.
When they figured out how to keep relatively secure electronic databases and dynamically update them, you could then withdraw funds from any number of locations, depending upon how many branches a given bank had.
When they figured out how to install ATMs, your ability to access money shot through the roof. Basically anyplace they could run electricty and run a phone line, they could run an ATM. Within 30 seconds you could have 300 bucks cash in your hand. More technology yields more fluidity.
It used to be that if a government wanted to bail another out, they'd have to ship them a boat full of gold, which the country could trade for tangible objects. Nowadays, if a country needs ten million bucks, it can be wired to them in a matter of seconds. Physical borders are meaningless when it comes to information transfers now. Maximum technolgy yields maximum fluidity.
Sure, there are security measures in place. You can't get money into any account with impunity. But there are people who can. They're underground, they're criminals, but they exist.
You may be able to outlaw MP3s. You may be able to get BB to figure out how to scan computers for them and punish criminals. But you'll never eliminate it entirely. There will be people who maintain archaic computers that are designed purely for MP3 manufacturing and distribution.
The only way to eliminate MP3s? Eliminate the technology. Make EVERYONE trade in EVERY computer for specially bundled computers that have the software and functionality of 1991's machines.
And even that won't be enough. Someone will write software for those machines to rip MP3s, and all the shit will happen all over again.
Whether MP3s are legal or not is irrelevant. It's too late for that. The legality should've been wrestled over when they were first figuring out the codec oh so many years ago. The same thing happened when VCRs were first released commercially. The movie industry was having a fit, because people could record movies offa TV. No one would buy movies anymore, they screamed.
But you know what? People bought movies still. The ones they recorded offa TV weren't as high quality as the ones the movie industry offered.
The same goes for MP3s. 128Kbps is not true quality. You don't get "perfect"(by perfect I mean indistinguishable from the original by the human ear) until 192Kbps, and even that's questionable. Some people claim they can still detect the difference.
Now, I realize that the analogy isn't entirely congruous. But the essentials are the same. New technology yields new fluidity, and with it, protests arise. However, it's too late to go back now. Far too late.
The only thing we can hope for is that we're wise enough to manipulate the technolgy in purely beneficial ways.
...yeah.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
quote:
Avylen had this to say about pies:
Falaanla calling him a hypocrit doesn't make your actions any better, attacking him doesn't defend you.
She's talking to anyone who takes the stance that started this flame ((Summary: YOU ALL STEAL AND I DONT!!! OR I DID AND I DONT ANYMORE CUZ I'M A BETTAR PERSON NOW!!!11 IN THE END, YOU AER BAD!!!!11))
quote:
Karnaj had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Yeah, I'll show you Deth.
True, True, 
quote:/agree[/QB][/QUOTE]
Black Wizard wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
[QUOTE]Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
[qb]First off...Do you want to be idealistic or realistic?*WHACK*OH YEAH! THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESN'T IT? *WHACK* OH YEAH BABY! DETHESSAY!*WHACK*
You're my hero.
Over time hundreds of people would read these books. These people were therefore in a way stealing from the writers and publishers, after all why buy the book when you can read it for free just as easily. So these libarys are now loaning out free books that keep others from buying the book and helping the writers earn a better profit for their work.
That being said i think napster and morpheous are wrong wrong wrong. [ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: Kameks ]
Sig pic done with Microsoft paint, Work that doobie Pikachu.
quote:
Lenlalron had this to say about Optimus Prime:
See my speeding analogy. Wrong, yes. Get away with? Yes. Heck, it's almost been fully accepted as part of our culture.
Speeding has the additional benny of being dangerous! Woohoo!
Just because a lot of people do stupid, dangerous things, does not make them right.
Additionally, the speeding analogy is flawed from the standpoint that stealing music or software via filesharing is theft (a crime with a victim), speeding is simply a personal transgression of the rules (no victim, unless other crimes are added, such as failure to control one's vehicle, or causing an accident).
Both acts are illegal. Theft, however, is wrong.
And, 'Deth, just because all the other thieves are doing it, is no reason to take up stealing. I don't buy into the idea that if we get everyone to join in our stealing, we can redefine society's take on theft and retroactively justify our reprehensible behavior.
A new standard may, indeed, be on the horizon. Stealing is still wrong, however, even if future means to cope and prevent it are found. Frankly, I'm disturbed by the current trend of thinking that everyone ought to be entitled to everything without having to have the means to support their desires. No one has any right to own music or software they can't or won't afford.
You want more shit? Then go out and get a better job, make more money, and buy it. Whine about the unfariness of it all to someone else; I've got no sympathy for anyone unwilling or unable to earn what they have.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Duck Tales:
True, True,
ROFL! 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
quote:
I've got no sympathy for anyone unwilling or unable to earn what they have.
This is a circle arguement. I could make a point here about most records now being ten songs of shit, when you only want one of them. The one that, most likely, isn't released on a single. It's just pointless, this entire thread has been pointless, aside from how damn funny it is.
|
|
|
|
V
What the fuck are you going to do about it?
^
|
|
|
|
|
I say we start this argument in an IRC chatroom (NOT #evercrest) on irc.evercrest.com.
This would be much easier.
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I've actually found songs that sound better on Midi than they normally do, LOL...Azizza, Bloodsage, I admit I'm wrong, I'm not going to reason it out. In short, I don't care.
Call me insensitive, but I'll never meet the artist, they'll never know my name, or even be aware of my specific violation of their creations.
[humor] On the other hand, I see any punishment they get as damnation for the evil sins of Pop, Rap, and Hip-hop Music (since, undoubtedly, that's what most of Music File Swapping is, as that is also what most of moderm music is). [/humor]
So yeah, basicly, I don't give a damn, leave me alone about it, don't think you're a better person for it though,.
You should also remember, you're defining Right and Wrong as your Right and Wrong, not ours,
No . . . I'm defining wrong as commiting a crime where you take something that belongs to someone else without paying for it.
It's really too bad you think stealing is okay.
But you'll also have to understand that you can't have a society in which theft is considered okay behavior. Remember, when someone breaks into your house or your car, don't get mad--what they're doing is okay! Hell, don't even bother the police or your insurance company--it's okay!
/boggle
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
That's why I like you, my friend. You are idealistic to the end, even if sometimes it's wrapped in cynicism or smart-aleck comments. Don't worry about my point. It's just a world view. Yours is just as valid, even if I don't agree with it.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Optimus Prime:
No . . . I'm defining wrong as commiting a crime where you take something that belongs to someone else without paying for it.It's really too bad you think stealing is okay.
But you'll also have to understand that you can't have a society in which theft is considered okay behavior. Remember, when someone breaks into your house or your car, don't get mad--what they're doing is okay! Hell, don't even bother the police or your insurance company--it's okay!
/boggle
I'm gonna go to my neighbors lawn, and cut off a blade of grass, and run like a pair of pantyhose, cause I stole something that belongs to someone else! WEEEE!
quote:
Skaw had this to say about Cuba:
If you don't want it stolen, don't make it. `Nuff Said.
You know I really dont' know how to reply to that without getting banned.
Sig pic done with Microsoft paint, Work that doobie Pikachu.
quote:So what are you going to do about it? Hmm? Chide her on how morally wrong it is? Going to teach us a few lessons? Well go ahead and get it over with. Because,
Bloodsage impressed everyone with:
It's really too bad you think stealing is okay.
We don't fucking care.
quote:
Azizza had this to say about dark elf butts:
You know I really dont' know how to reply to that without getting banned.
Only way around getting it stolen buddy.
quote:Oh go ahead. Shower us in your infinite wisdom about, of all things, mp3 burnings.
Azizza wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
You know I really dont' know how to reply to that without getting banned.
quote:
Black Wizard had this to say about dark elf butts:
So what are you going to do about it? Hmm? Chide her on how morally wrong it is? Going to teach us a few lessons? Well go ahead and get it over with. Because,We don't fucking care.
Hot damn. There's one arguement of this thread summed up nicely. Okay, other side, your closing statement please?
Edit: For the love of God, UBB hates this post. [ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: Demitri ]
quote:So what are you going to do about it? Hmm? Chide her on how morally wrong it is? Going to teach us a few lessons? Well go ahead and get it over with. Because,
Check out the big brain on Black Wizard!
[QUOTE]Bloodsage impressed everyone with:
[qb]It's really too bad you think stealing is okay.
We don't fucking care.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Once again I cry for the future of this world...
quote:I am going to kill this lame ass thread until you people get it.
Demitri had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Hot damn.
quote:GREAT! Go to church and shed me a couple while your at it. Thanks!
Azizza impressed everyone with:
Once again I cry for the future of this world...
quote:
Black Wizard had this to say about pies:
I am going to kill this lame ass thread until you people get it
I've gotten it. I'm waiting on the other side to come up with a quick summation so we can let this pointless thing roll away.
UBB is your friend, damnit! [ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: Demitri ]
quote:
Bloodsage stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Some junk
Bloodsage, but I manage to see things in shades of gray instead of in shades of Black and white, 
In my opinion, there are varying levels of theft, and what are you going to do about it?
I don't have to worry about getting arrested for "Mp3 Piracy."
I don't need you to question my morals, no matter how questionable they may be.
In other words, Mind your own business...
This is between me, my computer, the artists and the record companies (and, if it ever comes to it, the courts).
This is starting to seem awfully religious, turning into "Repent, Sinner!"
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
This is starting to seem awfully religious, turning into "Repent, Sinner!"
quote:
Azizza had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Once again I cry for the future of this world...
And your tears do nothing.
Get over it, Azizza, and, well, Die plz k thx. (Go to Hell)
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about dark elf butts:
No . . . I'm defining wrong as commiting a crime where you take something that belongs to someone else without paying for it.It's really too bad you think stealing is okay.
But you'll also have to understand that you can't have a society in which theft is considered okay behavior. Remember, when someone breaks into your house or your car, don't get mad--what they're doing is okay! Hell, don't even bother the police or your insurance company--it's okay!
/boggle
I don't think the legality should be called into question. It's clearly illegal on some level. And yes, there are varying levels of illegality.
The idea that must be addressed is this: what solution do we have? The technology is out. It's readily and relatively cheaply available. How do we stem the tide?
The only solution I see is a moral revolution: where stealing is once again seen as a crime.
And given the current state and direction of the world, I don't see it happening. I won't say it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely.
Unless you have another solution, I'm stumped.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
DO THE NO PANTS DANCE!
Everyone...do it with me...ignore the thread!
Yes, that's right, hot live sex!Sig pic done with Microsoft paint, Work that doobie Pikachu.
quote:WE? Well I suppose we could all gather under the, 'Burning Mp3s sux!' flag, and be 2nd-in-command to Az, and STORM THE WHITE HOUSE (or possible the RIAA)!!!
Karnaj wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
The idea that must be addressed is this: what solution do we have?
YES! IT WILL WORK.
quote:
We were all impressed when Black Wizard wrote:
WE? Well I suppose we could all gather under the, 'Burning Mp3s sux!' flag, and be 2nd-in-command to Az, and STORM THE WHITE HOUSE (or possible the RIAA)!!!
YES! IT WILL WORK.
WE SHALL STORM! GRAB THE PITCHFORKS!
[ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: Demitri ]
Second and third edits: And storm UBB while we're at it. God damnit. Ok, screw it, no more quoting.
quote:
Check out the big brain on Lashanna!
*curls up in her bed, and does the same dance as Waisz, just without the dancing part.*
See? All the cool people are doing it, so why don't you join in?
Yes, that's right, hot live sex!quote:WE? Well I suppose we could all gather under the, 'Burning Mp3s sux!' flag, and be 2nd-in-command to Az, and STORM THE WHITE HOUSE (or possible the RIAA)!!!
Black Wizard wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
[QUOTE]Karnaj wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
[qb]The idea that must be addressed is this: what solution do we have?
YES! IT WILL WORK.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Uh...well, I meant the 'we' in a broader-than-IHOP sense.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
quote:UBB > You
Demitri wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
WE SHALL STORM! GRAB THE PITCHFORK!
