What all is it like on the other servers?
Edit: I can't spell. Batty fucked around with this message on 04-20-2005 at 01:57 AM.
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Batty thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
It's mostly unfortunate that dishonorable kills mean absolutely nothing and that BGs aren't in.Edit: I can't spell.
Will BGs fully fix it though? A population cap means there will quite probably still be roaming 60's messing up the quest givers for their "honorable" kills.
Before it was "kill anything that moves with no penalty"
Now it is "kill anything that moves with no penalty, and now you get a bonus too!"
Honestly, what did Blizzard THINK was going to happen?
Not to mention the "race for the chest" in the arena was a horrible idea. On our server, a Paladin just clicked his DA, ran up and popped the chest. Wheee. Reynar fucked around with this message on 04-20-2005 at 02:22 AM.
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Reynar had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Not to mention the "race for the chest" in the arena was a horrible idea. On our server, a Paladin just clicked his DA, ran up and popped the chest. Wheee.
That is...so incredibly sad and broken.
For one, the advantage now goes to the Alliance and their zergs.
For two, Mages can rack up kills incredibly quick with AoEs. At the end of the day, one of my guildmates had around 20 HKs after fighting at Southshore. The other one, a Mage, had 124.
It was implemented too early, too incomplete, too not good.
Kill civvies, get a DHK.
Not that HKs and DHKs individually mean much though (It's all in the contribution points, baby!)
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Delphi Aegis was naked while typing this:
Dishonor is in. Mouse over any questgiver (Caretaker smithers, the fuckhead who consta-spawns guards comes to mind), and you'll see Civilian in the tooltip.Kill civvies, get a DHK.
Not that HKs and DHKs individually mean much though (It's all in the contribution points, baby!)
DHKs mean nothing. There is no penalty. At all. You do not lose contribution. You do not get penalized. You do not pass go.
Reference the Q&A on Honor
Main point of link:
Are you planning on adding in any sort of dishonor penalties?
We plan on evaluating the Honor System without penalties and moving forward from there. While it is very possible that we will add penalties for dishonor in the future, we are trying to be as careful as possible by evaluating the system with only incentives for killing honorably at first, so we have a better handle on how substantial any penalties would need to be assuming they prove necessary.
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Batty had this to say about Robocop:
DHKs mean nothing. There is no penalty. At all. You do not lose contribution. You do not get penalized. You do not pass go.
Wait wouldn't that be like passing go? Getting rewards for doing nothing? You pass go collect $200.
Other than that, Tarren Mill got hammered, Eastern and Western Plaguelands are basically death zones. I heard Chillwind Camp is basically instant suicide and remains so.
Pretty much what I expected.
And for the record, the actual number of Honorable Kills doesn't matter. It's about the points you get from them.
Gonna log in now and check my stats before I leave. We'll see how I did last night.
And Dr. Paintthinner, changed your goddamned avatar to something that doesn't blink, things like that fuck with some of the people on the boards.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Alaan had this to say about pies:
So far what I'm hearing about the honor system isn't good. Horde on Alleria has apparently been completely crushed with all three main cites taken down at least once today. Tarren Mill and Crossroads are just gone as far as questing is concerned.What all is it like on the other servers?
The Horde main cities got crushed, because the majority of the horde were out zerging unimportant cities.
Astranaar, Maestra's Post, Darkshore, Theramore, Southshore, Dun Algaz, and Thelsamar were costantly spamming World Defense.
It was always 20+ level 60 Horde, spam killing anything and everything in the area. Not ONCE did they ever try and attack any of our major cities. Not on single time. They just zerged these worthless cities for no good reason, hell the guards in Astranaar are only level 40, they couldn't even get honorable kills off those.
And actually Undercity is the only Horde town that really got attacked, and even then Alliance was pushed back at the end, Ogrimarr barely got touched, I heard nothing about the other. In fact a lot of us spending all our time flying around because we were chasing down places being attacked only to have it be over and done with by the time we got there.
Ashenvale and Hillsbrad were unquestable zones for the Alliance.
For me, honestly, the only thing hurting as far as Honor being in is the freaking 1300+ Latency issues. The fact there are no penalties has always sucked.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about pies:
Not ONCE did they ever try and attack any of our major cities. Not on single time. They just zerged these worthless cities for no good reason, hell the guards in Astranaar are only level 40, they couldn't even get honorable kills off those.
Yes, it's all the horde's fault for not wanting to get themselves in a fight where they're outzerged by 1 to 10!
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Asha'man impressed everyone with:
Yes, it's all the horde's fault for not wanting to get themselves in a fight where they're outzerged by 1 to 10!
Perhaps the zerg camping Tarren Mill should be mentioned as well?
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Asha'man wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Yes, it's all the horde's fault for not wanting to get themselves in a fight where they're outzerged by 1 to 10!
Exhagerate Much. Especially if the Alliance was off 'zerging' Horde cities, means less defenders.
The point was it's not an Alliance thing or a Horde thing, its the same on both sides of the fence.
I think we're all agreed that the honor system, as it stands now, is completely pointless.
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Bajah attempted to be funny by writing:
Can we please not turn this into another one of those "omg lame alliance zergs outnumbering the horde by THIS MANY" threads?I think we're all agreed that the honor system, as it stands now, is completely pointless.
I think it's great fun. If I were on a pvp server I could see it getting annoying having some of the zones constantly filled with enemies trying to kill me though.
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We were all impressed when Kuroi Madoushi wrote:
Perhaps the zerg camping Tarren Mill should be mentioned as well?
Yes like the zerg who camp Soutshore and Astranaar?
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about John Romero:
Exhagerate Much.The point was it's not an Alliance thing or a Horde thing, its the same on both sides of the fence.
Ok, fine. 1 to 5. That's an accurate figure.
Still, supposedly you can only get honor from racial leaders. Or did they get stupid and change that back to any green+ NPC? Cause if they did that... I've been meaning to get back to City of Heroes.
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From the book of Asha'man, chapter 3, verse 16:
Ok, fine. 1 to 5. That's an accurate figure.Still, supposedly you can only get honor from racial leaders. Or did they get stupid and change that back to any green+ NPC? Cause if they did that... I've been meaning to get back to City of Heroes.
I haven't gotten any Honor from killing ANY green or higher NPC. None. So Guard farming is out if thats what you mean.
I've killed plenty of guards that got in my way with no honor, and hitting civvies hits you with Dishonor. So to be perfectly honest I dont THINK you get any honor from greenie NPCs, but I can't be for certain. It doesn't seem so.
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Asha'man had this to say about Tron:
Ok, fine. 1 to 5. That's an accurate figure.Still, supposedly you can only get honor from racial leaders. Or did they get stupid and change that back to any green+ NPC? Cause if they did that... I've been meaning to get back to City of Heroes.
NPCs dont do anything for you from what I've seen.
If that's what BGs is going to be like...
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Lenlalron Flameblaster stopped masturbating to porn to say;
I love how it got people out and fighting. That makes me happy. But, jeesh, Blizzard just does not have the server and coding to handle this - SV arena had a jillion people, and you couldn't do anything.If that's what BGs is going to be like...
Each BG instance will have a player cap.
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Alaan had this to say about Pirotess:
Is it simply on the Instance server or will there be multiple instances of the zone?
The impression I got that it was one BG instance. Not 2 or more, just ONE. They mentioned a queue system that would port you to it when your turn finally came around.
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This insanity brought to you by Naimah:
I read the queue system as it would wait until you have a sufficient number of opposing players then it would open up a new battle ground.
This I haven't heard or read. Links?
64.) Can you give us more details on Battlegrounds. Will they be instanced? How will the queue work? (03/18/05 by Caydiem)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=1587843&P=11
"I apologize for not replying until now -- the queue system for Battlegrounds was still in the works. How it appears to be working is that there will be multiple instances, not just one." Naimah fucked around with this message on 04-20-2005 at 04:06 PM.
Shadow priest twink here I come. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-20-2005 at 05:33 PM.
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Maradon! enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
All I know is I'm fed up playing a hopelessly impotent PVP class. A Warlock has to pull every trick in the book - the perfect talent spec, potions, bandages, self soulstone, trinkets - to take down anything, but if anyone else does the same the fight is over instantly. Up until now I thought I was just pretty cool killing 8 of every 10 rogues I encountered just by virtue of sheer ingenuity, but since real PVP has begun to erupt and people have been trying harder I've been made to realize how powerless Warlocks really are.Shadow priest twink here I come.
Warlocks fuck up rogues pretty bad, as long as the warlock is protected by a healer of some sort. Long duration DoT's eliminate Vanish quite nicely.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Willias who doth quote:
Warlocks fuck up rogues pretty bad, as long as the warlock is protected by a healer of some sort.
uh, most people fuck up rogues pretty bad when protected by a healer of some sort.
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Check out the big brain on Maradon!!
uh, most people fuck up rogues pretty bad when protected by a healer of some sort.
Not quite. Rogues can't vanish with warlock dots on thier asses. I've had rogues get away when it's just me and my bro, Zagg, if one of us doesn't DoT em. Warlocks pretty much fight with DoTs, so when a rogue poofs in to strike and a nearby Warlock bops em with Curse of Agony, for example, a few people usually turn to chase the bastard down. It's kinda like Hunter's Mark, except hunters usually spend more time shooting at people that are in the front lines of combat. Willias fucked around with this message on 04-20-2005 at 07:21 PM.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Willias booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Not quite. Rogues can't vanish with warlock dots on thier asses. I've had rogues get away when it's just me and my bro, Zagg, if one of us doesn't DoT em. Warlocks pretty much fight with DoTs, so when a rogue poofs in to strike and a nearby Warlock bops em with Curse of Agony, for example, a few people usually turn to chase the bastard down. It's kinda like Hunter's Mark, except hunters usually spend more time shooting at people that are in the front lines of combat.
A single anti-rogue ability that isn't even class specific doesn't mean warlocks "fuck up" rogues. They usually don't need to vanish at all, because I die VERY VERY FAST.
I was only ever able to beat rogues by spamming CoE and using sprint potions and abusing fear, and only then if the rogue forgot to pack a shadow protection potion or any healing item of any kind. And even then it came close, but I could usually pull it off. Now that people realize the value of gearing up for PVP, trying to kill anybody as a warlock is an exercise in utter futility. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-20-2005 at 07:29 PM.
