It was easily better than Reloaded, and nearly as good as the first of the three. It flowed rather well for the distance it covered, though it did seem rushed at first. But then there was that minor fight for Zion, which was most likely 15 minutes long... But worth every minute.
As for the Smith / Neo fight... I'd daresay it was dissapointing. Smith was simply too powerful to make for an interesting fight. Though the special effects were amazing. (I was actually thinking how well effects like these would do well in a DBZ movie... ;p)
I figured I'd make a discussion / spoiler thread for those who have seen it. So this your warning if you haven't seen the movie yet... Spoilers to follow.
I don't understand all the circumstances around Neo's death. He was absorbed by Smith, then there was all that light, and exloding. While I understand that to kill Smith, Neo also had to die (Thus they had to be One...), I just don't get all the lights and effects. Maybe the Machines overloaded Neo/Smith with tons of power/code/whatever in order to kill them both? Also, during the final fight, Smith was spouting out tons of things about the purpose of human life... Some of it made sense, then it seemed that he contridicted himself a few minutes later. But what got me the most was when Neo said something like "You're right Smith. You've been right all along."
Best Line in the Movie: "Like what I've done with the place?" [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Black ]
quote:No. Edit: On second thought... Her powers are hinted at near the end of the film. Evedently, she "creates" a sunset for Neo. Though nothing towards her being a new Architect is implied.
Khyron... I thought I knew you:
Does the kid end up being the new Architect, like in that spoiler review thing I read a while back? Does Trinity die?
Yes. Trinity dies.
Edit 2: Also, impounding on Smith / Neo... Keep in mind that Neo was a mathamatical error ever since he discovered his powers. And because he did so, there needed to be a positive to his negative, to balance the scales. Thus, Smith. So they both grow in power to keep the scales even. And that's why the fight between the two in Reloaded was so... Unconclusive. They simply negated each other.
The ultimate balance happened when Smith absorbed Neo...
1 + (-1) = 0
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The biggest problem was that the movie did the exact opposite of the second movie. Second movie overexplained, becoming too complicated for the average movie-goer. Third movie underxplained, leaving plot holes. Blawr.
Anyways, as far as the ending. I'm pretty sure the machines just hit the formatted the matrix more or less. In the first movie it mentions how entire crops were lost because people didn't believe what was happening. At the end, the oracle mentions something about them being the only ones, implying that the entire current human crop is gone. The only ones left are the programs by the look of it. So, in essence, everything got deleted, the human crop was lost, and the matrix was reloaded for another go at it.
Of course, this adds more questions. Essentially, the machines were in control the entire time. They could have easily wiped Zion out; Neo would have never known. Why didn't they? They wanted to and they could have? On the other side of the coin, why were they worried about Smith? If they could have simply wiped the system, like it seemed they did the end, what did they need Neo for anyway? I'm guessing they looked to Neo because he could have saved their human crop. Of course, Smith beats the crap outta Neo so they go to their contingency plan, wiping out the matrix. In the end, the humans live because the machines let them live. Kind of cynical point of view, but that's my take on it.
As far as the kid goes, I'm guessing her "purpose" was to make the sky like that. Unfortunately, the sky wasn't supposed to be like that and would have created disbelief in the human crop. So the machines were going to delete her, blah blah blah. Why she didn't get deleted when the system was rebooted, I don't know. Plot hole?
Which will probably be as soon as it comes to video.
quote:I'm pretty sure your reference to the first movie is correct, but taken out context. In the first movie, they were explaining how mass amounts of crop were lost as a result of the Perfect Matrix. The paradise. I think. I'd have to watch the movie again to check.
Talonus's mother was good last night.
In the first movie it mentions how entire crops were lost because people didn't believe what was happening. At the end, the oracle mentions something about them being the only ones, implying that the entire current human crop is gone.
As for what the Oracle said at the end, I don't remember her saying anything like that...
Here's my biggest question about Revolutions. If you liked the first movie, and hated the second, does the third movie save the trilogy? In retrospect, I enjoyed the first film. It wasn't a movie that gave me spiritual giddiness or anything, but it was a pretty decent movie. Reloaded severely disappointed and annoyed me (only one scene in the whole movie was worth it for me, and it was the scene that had no Neo in it; the car chase scene). So. From that perspective, does Revolutions fix the trilogy? [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael ]
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Everyone wondered WTF when Black wrote:
I'm pretty sure your reference to the first movie is correct, but taken out context. In the first movie, they were explaining how mass amounts of crop were lost as a result of the Perfect Matrix. The paradise. I think. I'd have to watch the movie again to check.As for what the Oracle said at the end, I don't remember her saying anything like that...
As for the first part, yeah. Humans need misery and suffering to feel alive, or something. Their brains rejected it.
I'd love to see an actual timeline for the matrix. No fancy "look, this happened, but didn't!", just a straightup timeline from the brothers themselves, as they envisioned it, y'know? Getting too confusing otherwise..
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From the book of Delphi Aegis, chapter 3, verse 16:
As for the first part, yeah. Humans need misery and suffering to feel alive, or something. Their brains rejected it.I'd love to see an actual timeline for the matrix. No fancy "look, this happened, but didn't!", just a straightup timeline from the brothers themselves, as they envisioned it, y'know? Getting too confusing otherwise..
Yeah...I'd like some straight answers myself.
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If the humans were to be seperated from Smith, the machines would have to wipe all the memory of that from their heads. They can't do that though, which is why they use the dejavu thing. Its quite unlikely they can convince an entire populus that it was just a dream or something along those lines. What can they do to solve the problem? Wipe the system.
So what's the need for Neo? They still need him afterall for the merging mentioned in the second movie. Technically, the merging happens. Neo is merged with Smith, creating an imbalance on the Smith side. Smith gets wiped out, imbalance is wiped out. Since Smith is wiped out, you fuck up everything because he is everything. Matrix is rebooted, problem fixed.
As far as the Oracle, I could have sworn she mentioned something that implies the only ones in the matrix currently are the programs. I know she referred to people who weren't "freed" yet when talking to the architect though. There's nobody else in the park, and the city looks dead. Admittedly, its supposed to be dawn but you'd expect to see/hear something eh?
Anyways, I'm prolly mixing some stuff up. I haven't seen Reloaded since its release and I'm sure I missed some stuff in Revolutions.
Onto Deth's question, I don't think the third one fixes the trilogy. There's still a number of plot holes or reasons to wonder why something happened, or exactly what happened. My spoiler space above is evidence of that. Plus it does that one thing we all hate, it heavily hints at another movie. I'm not saying don't see it of course, just saying it won't answer the question. Since you aren't one of the people who hated the highway scene, you'll prolly like the Zion fight. [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Talonus ]
"Earth is destroyed, humanity is dead, lollerblades. We have your money lol rofl go home."
Please don't tell me it ends like that.
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Mortious had this to say about John Romero:
Reading this thread, I feel like I'm watching one of the worse Outer Limits episodes."Earth is destroyed, humanity is dead, lollerblades. We have your money lol rofl go home."
Please don't tell me it ends like that.
hilarious! the Mort Smiley was perfect
I dunno. It's sounding more and more to me like Animatrix was the best thing to come out of this.
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I also got the idea that all of the humans plugged in were lost, since after the Smiths all got BALEETED!, the only ones you see remaining where they had been were the smiths that had been programs originally.
Just my thoughts on that
I enjoyed the movie, plot was a bit too hazy at times, but damn were the fights badass. [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Vorago ]
I won't totally spoil it, but humanity lives on Mort. Of course, they only live on because the machines let them live on. The machines could have easily wiped Zion out had they chosen to with little/no reprecussions. [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Talonus ]
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Talonus had this to say about the Spice Girls:
For Mort, a spoiler.I won't totally spoil it, but humanity lives on Mort. Of course, they only live on because the machines let them live on. The machines could have easily wiped Zion out had they chosen to with little/no reprecussions.
I can only assume the reason they didn't wipe them out, is because every time prior they had wiped the humans out, and look where it got them. But this time Neo offered up a different solution than the previous 'kill or be killed' options, and maybe they went with it to see if something would change this time.
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Talonus said:
I won't totally spoil it, but humanity lives on Mort. Of course, they only live on because the machines let them live on. The machines could have easily wiped Zion out had they chosen to with little/no reprecussions.
That makes me even more mad than if the other thing would've happened.
I had high hopes for Neo to just wake up at his home/desk and show the whole thing was a dream...OR...Have Bill/Ted wake up and do their whole thing "No way! Bogus!"
Other from that minor dissapointment, It was an awesome movie...twist of an end, but awesome.
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Black had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I don't understand all the circumstances around Neo's death. He was absorbed by Smith, then there was all that light, and exloding. While I understand that to kill Smith, Neo also had to die (Thus they had to be One...), I just don't get all the lights and effects. Maybe the Machines overloaded Neo/Smith with tons of power/code/whatever in order to kill them both?Also, during the final fight, Smith was spouting out tons of things about the purpose of human life... Some of it made sense, then it seemed that he contridicted himself a few minutes later. But what got me the most was when Neo said something like "You're right Smith. You've been right all along."
Best Line in the Movie: "Like what I've done with the place?"
Once Neo became part of the Agent Smith program, the system was able to delete it because it had full access to a human part of it.
That's what I assumed happened, anyway.
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Redmage Darkrayver stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
*shrugs*I had high hopes for Neo to just wake up at his home/desk and show the whole thing was a dream
Are you fucking kidding? that'd be horrible. If someone wrote this elaborate story and then found themselves with a bit of writer's block when they had to resolve it, they would end it with "...and then I woke up" or something like that. That's such a cheap way to end a story [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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Kegwen had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Are you fucking kidding? that'd be horrible. If someone wrote this elaborate story and then found themselves with a bit of writer's block when they had to resolve it, they would end it with "...and then I woke up" or something like that. That's such a cheap way to end a story
...I think he was joking... 
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Mr. Crabs thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
...I think he was joking...
I don't hold him to that high of a standard
Council of 12 - Disciples. Red Blue and Green, think about it... When we first see Neo- Purgatory.
When Neo 'died' you should have noticed the cross on his chest and the representation of the 7 pairs of wings. Sign of an Arch-Angel.
I could coe up with more but I'm having a bad day otherwise.
But revolutions was leaps and bounds better then reloaded IMHO.
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Kegwen had this to say about Pirotess:
Are you fucking kidding? that'd be horrible. If someone wrote this elaborate story and then found themselves with a bit of writer's block when they had to resolve it, they would end it with "...and then I woke up" or something like that. That's such a cheap way to end a story
follow the white rabbit
Except for the fact that the PROJECTOR KEPT BURNING THE FRAMES ARGGHHH.
The movie stopped 8 times. ALL AT THE VERY DRAMATIC MOMENTS. Three or so times it burned through a frame or two.
Luckily I got two passes for free movies.
Still I liked the first movie the best.
Apart from the battle for the docks, the whole movie just felt boring. So much was given away in the previews that I already knew almost everything that was going to happen. [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Sentow, Maybe ]
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Ryutsuke isn't in Kansas anymore:
I thought it was great. The fight scene with Smith and Neo was pretty cool with the water effects and what not. Also the war on Zion was awsome.Still I liked the first movie the best.
I hope I wasn't the only person sitting here thinking "DRAGONBALL Z!" when they were flying around hitting eachother.
I rather liked the whole thing. It wasn't boring to me in the least.
The machines didn't just go ahead and destroy Zion because they wanted to make sure they didn't violate what Neo was trying to do, I imagine. Ever play FFX? Do it the same way over and over and all you get is an unbalanced equation. Try something completely new and...
Given by what the architect says at the end, I have to think that the humans were saved. Perhaps they'll try to rebuild Earth as it was before the big war in the Animatrix?
I would have to say that was a great ending to a very cool series. I don't see another movie; this one solved the problems overall. [ 11-05-2003: Message edited by: Oscar 3/Xray 1 ]
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Hello Cuthy was all like:
I sold my ticket to some guy outside of the theater for 50 bucks.
Scalping is illegal.
We also know from the previews that Neo is going to go to the machine city and eventually fight Smith.
The only thing that wasn't given away was a largely random and needless plot twist.
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Sentow, Maybe's account was hax0red to write:
From the previous movie, we know that the machines are going to attack Zion, which took up about half the movie.We also know from the previews that Neo is going to go to the machine city and eventually fight Smith.
The only thing that wasn't given away was a largely random and needless plot twist.
Uhh, war movies can be very exciting, even if you know the grand outcome. We know how world war II ends, but war movies about world war II are still exciting.
What's your point?
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Nobody really understood why Oscar 3/Xray 1 wrote:
Uhh, war movies can be very exciting, even if you know the grand outcome. We know how world war II ends, but war movies about world war II are still exciting.
World War II ended when Frodo tossed the ring into Mount Doom, right?
DAMN THE WACKOSHICKY BROTHERS.
DAMN THEM TO HELL
omgilovethismovieomgilovethismovie
But waht the fuck wsa up with trinity cheak at that last scene?
AND OMG IT SHOT SENTINALS OUT OF ITS EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
