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Topic: Matrix: Revolutions (Review, then Spoilers)
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 11:16:36 PM
quote:
Did the cycle just start over again?

Someone's gonna have to refresh my memory on this, but I think this is how it went down in part 2. Spoilerized 'cause it's only six months old

After bringing the One, an inevitable creation due to a mathematical anomaly in the Matrix, into a specific place at a specific time, the machines tried to force him into a choice. Either he could work with them and let Zion be destroyed, but allow a handful of humans to survive and rebuild, OR he could keep doing what, resulting in the obliteration of the species.

IIRC, Neo shot out of the building as it was blown to hell, suggesting that he did neither

Anyway, in part 3 here, instead for working for one side or the other, he's working to preserve both their existences, thus skirting around the loaded choices the Architect gave him.

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 11-09-2003 12:06:07 AM
I think that in the end, the people in the Matrix survived. Just like Smith absorbed Bane, he absorbed the humans in the pods, except they're stuck in stasis. Whether or not he could've awakened them isn't really relevant, as it seems he wanted to solidify his power in the Matrix to destroy Neo. However, just like the Oracle and the little girl (and presumably the Architect since it was implied Smith took over everyone in the Matrix) lived on after Neo destroyed Smith, I think the humans survived too.

As for the reduced power that freeing people from the Matrix might entail, I don't think the machines mind. After all, without a war to wage, the sentinels and warbots and stuff are largely irrelevant (unless of course they have individuallity as well, and as such might not be shut down). Besides, I'd think a good number of people would find such a massive shift of reality hard to deal with, and want to stay. Hell, I know I would.

My question is though, why not just harness the lightning storms? After all, if they can handle fusion, surely a few telescoping lightning rods wouldn't be THAT difficult to gather power from.

Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 11-09-2003 12:40:25 AM
3 pages with the spoiler warning in the title and people are STILL using the spoiler tag.

LOOK, if they've read this far, no point in using the tag

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-09-2003 12:49:57 AM
Yeah:/

Its getting pretty annoying.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
BeauChan
Objects in sigpic may be hammier than they appear
posted 11-09-2003 02:49:21 AM
This is how I understodd the Smith/Neo dying thing: Neo is hooked up to the machines: enters the matrix. smith and him fight, smith makes neo another smith. since neo fails to beat smith in the matrix, the machine killed him, thus killing smith? (as deth said, negating the equation)
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Nina
posted 11-09-2003 03:19:12 AM
OH GOD NEO DIES YOU SPOILED ME AH (
Snugglits
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posted 11-09-2003 04:27:31 AM
quote:
BeauChan had this to say about Punky Brewster:
This is how I understodd the Smith/Neo dying thing: Neo is hooked up to the machines: enters the matrix. smith and him fight, smith makes neo another smith. since neo fails to beat smith in the matrix, the machine killed him, thus killing smith? (as deth said, negating the equation)

No, you left out the whole Christ thing.

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Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 11-09-2003 09:10:59 AM
No, because the machine was going to wipe out humanity if neo failed. And he didn't. So the machine must have realized that neo allowed smith to absorb him so that the machine could destroy smith, and didn't consider neo a failure.
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The more I have to let go.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 11-09-2003 12:46:40 PM
quote:
Bajah spewed forth this undeniable truth:
3 pages with the spoiler warning in the title and people are STILL using the spoiler tag.

LOOK, if they've read this far, no point in using the tag


Is hitting Ctrl + A really that hard?

Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 11-09-2003 01:15:00 PM
I think the spoiler tag is rather spiffy, but alas does not have its chance in the sun very often.



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Peter
Pancake
posted 11-09-2003 04:01:57 PM
quote:
Sakkra thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:

My question is though, why not just harness the lightning storms? After all, if they can handle fusion, surely a few telescoping lightning rods wouldn't be THAT difficult to gather power from.

Or why they didn't have some sort of orbiting power station thingie, or geo thermal, or tidal are the bazillion other alternate energy sources they could have used.

As for the ending of the war thingie, it could be that a lot of humans might voluntarily reenter the matrix, think about in reloaded when they showed them first getting into Zion, the dock controllers were all plugged into a matrix like world to control the docks. Now with the peace you might get humans do jobs and such the same way.

Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 11-09-2003 04:23:26 PM
All this makes you wonder about the Matrix MMORPG.

It mentions somewhere that you're fighting 'for the survival of man and machine alike'...hmm...




moogle is the 3241727861th binary digit of pi

Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-09-2003 07:46:55 PM
What would be cool if they did some sort of "Matrix Verse Skynet" thing.

That'd be cool.

The skynet universe humans want to blow the machines up

The matric universe people want to free the humans and power down the machines

Eh?

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
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Pancake
posted 11-09-2003 11:10:56 PM
I just saw it. The whole movie was overall done very well. The ending, sadly, sucked shit. Iy was unexpected but, the wachowski brothers could have done ALOT better.
Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 11-10-2003 12:39:59 PM
I kept waiting for Neo to mention his Power Level.
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 11-10-2003 12:58:16 PM
quote:
Bajah's fortune cookie read:
I kept waiting for Neo to mention his Power Level.

I'm just glad he died because I HATE in movies when the good guy is getting completely destroyed, and then he suddenly gets that amazing burst of speed and strength that wasn't there 5 minutes ago and then destroys the badguy with ease.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-10-2003 04:45:06 PM
There was a guy who was on Fark.com earlier; overanalyzed the Matrix (and coming from me, that's saying something). Do I think his analysis was correct? Yeah, I actually think he had it right. Given his supports found in the film, I would easily guess that he probably had the purpose behind the Matrix trilogy down pat.

It does not, however, excuse the fact that for the purpose behind the trilogy, the implementation sucked ass.

Here's the deal with movies, for me:

I don't go looking for deeper insight into the workings of humanity. I don't go looking for spiritual creaminess. I don't go looking to have an epiphany. As lovely as movies are, two hours (or even six hours, for a trilogy) is not enough to convey a deep enough meaning to adequately explore in depth a wildly different point of view. For that, I would read what we in the old days called a "Book". And these books would explore the idea in far more depth than a movie could, and would be much more satisfying for such purposes.

Movies are meant to be dramatization. The best ones are the ones that understand the limitations of a movie and can be editted into a form where the message is still coherently communicated, while at the same time maintaining the necessity for dramatization. If you try to mix too much dramatization with an overload of hard-to-obtain, difficult-to-translate-into-common-terms "Meanings" and "Insights" you end up with something incoherent, and frankly rather annoying.

I think the Wachowskis are probably fantastic storytellers (if the guy I mentioned above was right), but I think they would have been better off writing a series (possibly for HBO, which likes to encourage offbeat and unusual series), or even better yet, an in-depth novel. They're at best only mediocre movie makers, and their trilogy suffers for it.

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Naimah
In a Fire
posted 11-10-2003 05:16:29 PM
Could you post that analysis? I was unable to hunt it down on fark.com.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-10-2003 05:18:05 PM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Could you post that analysis? I was unable to hunt it down on fark.com.

Corporate Mofo's Guide to Matrix Revolutions

Has a link to his guide to Reloaded in there too.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Naimah
In a Fire
posted 11-10-2003 05:18:46 PM
Danke.
Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 11-12-2003 02:14:19 PM
HA! I read that whole thing without higlighting any text! I remain relatively unspoiled!
Gydyon
Evercrest Lawyer

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Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 11-12-2003 02:17:58 PM
OMG IT'S GYD.
Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 11-12-2003 02:18:28 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Bajah:
OMG IT'S GYD.

OMG read my thread.

Gydyon
Evercrest Lawyer

Thinking about your posts
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Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 11-12-2003 02:24:08 PM
quote:
Gydfather stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
OMG read my thread.

OMG I did.

Just got back from lunch and started at the first thread I saw.

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