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Topic: Matrix: Revolutions (Review, then Spoilers)
Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 11-06-2003 12:32:49 PM
Ok-

I found it ironic that the entire trilogy boils down to a chess game between the Oracle and the Archetect. Mainly because the the archetect is the stereotypical image of "the Man" and the Oracle is a ghetto momma. But beyond that- I want to know why Neo couldn't beat Smith. I mean really, why couldn't he blow him up again like he did in the first movie?
On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-06-2003 01:36:51 PM
Perhaps smiths origanal, jumpinable form, was small enouph for neo to do that.

This one would be too big.

Dia, while in the matrix its all mental, neo's body doesnt have the conditioned muscles of a martial artist.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
diadem
eet bugz
posted 11-06-2003 01:41:42 PM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper painfully thought these words up:
Perhaps smiths origanal, jumpinable form, was small enouph for neo to do that.

This one would be too big.

Dia, while in the matrix its all mental, neo's body doesnt have the conditioned muscles of a martial artist.


he still would know fighting stances and moves and the like. where to strike to do the most damage, too.

[ 11-06-2003: Message edited by: diadem ]

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Soldar
I'll take two of anything, please. To go.
posted 11-06-2003 05:10:37 PM
Thanks to Ryuujin for this one.

Digital Jesus!

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-06-2003 06:16:59 PM
quote:
From the book of diadem, chapter 3, verse 16:
he still would know fighting stances and moves and the like. where to strike to do the most damage, too.

I know how to do backflips, butterfly kicks, and all sortsa really impressive things. I can't do them though. Muscle memory and conditioning is very important.

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 11-06-2003 06:52:45 PM
Hey, wait a minute.

If the machines are going to let all the podpeople out, like the Architect claimed, aren't they effectively commiting suicide?

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-06-2003 06:54:43 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Sentow, Maybe said:
Hey, wait a minute.

If the machines are going to let all the podpeople out, like the Architect claimed, aren't they effectively commiting suicide?


They're letting the ones out that want out. Some people'd rather stay in. Like Cypher. Once again, the problem is choice.

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 11-06-2003 07:01:20 PM
quote:
Verily, Vorbis doth proclaim:
They're letting the ones out that want out. Some people'd rather stay in. Like Cypher. Once again, the problem is choice.

Because it wouldn't make ANY sense to just build solar collectors since bright blue sky with infinite sunlight is a 3 second flight away from the surface...

Stupid machines

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-06-2003 07:02:49 PM
quote:
Vorago wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Because it wouldn't make ANY sense to just build solar collectors since bright blue sky with infinite sunlight is a 3 second flight away from the surface...

Stupid machines


It's a short term answer. Who knows what they'll do in several years.

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 11-06-2003 07:04:47 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Vorbis stammered:
It's a short term answer. Who knows what they'll do in several years.

Wait, the sun that is always there is a short term answer as opposed to an unstable computer world manned by programs that go rogue and don't want to be there powered by living beings that must be cared for and could wake up at any time and that periodically produce a 'One' who could blow the whole thing up in their faces is a long term solution? COnsidering they are running off a whole bunch of D cell batteries, I think all of two large solar collectors would be more than enough to trigger whatever the heck fusion they are using, that the humans help power

[ 11-06-2003: Message edited by: Vorago ]

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-06-2003 07:10:50 PM
quote:
Vorago wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Wait, the sun that is always there is a short term answer as opposed to an unstable computer world manned by programs that go rogue and don't want to be there powered by living beings that must be cared for and could wake up at any time and that periodically produce a 'One' who could blow the whole thing up in their faces is a long term solution? COnsidering they are running off a whole bunch of D cell batteries, I think all of two large solar collectors would be more than enough to trigger whatever the heck fusion they are using, that the humans help power

If you remember right, the machines DID run off the sun. Then the humans scorched the sky. It's presumed that the machines can't un-scorch it. Maybe together they'll be able to fix the sky, and switch to the sun as their new power supply. Making this new Matrix only a short term answer.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-06-2003 07:11:01 PM
but if they did that then we wouldnt have 3 matrix movies...

and lose the spoiler code, the thread title says spoiler...

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-06-2003 07:12:20 PM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper spewed forth this undeniable truth:
but if they did that then we wouldnt have 3 matrix movies...

and lose the spoiler code, the thread title says spoiler...


Also notice how BM's spoilers are in spoiler tags?

Yeah, hay, imagine that.

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 11-06-2003 07:12:32 PM
quote:
Vorbis Model 2000 was programmed to say:
If you remember right, the machines DID run off the sun. Then the humans scorched the sky. It's presumed that the machines can't un-scorch it. Maybe together they'll be able to fix the sky, and switch to the sun as their new power supply. Making this new Matrix only a short term answer.

So? the sky is fine above the clouds, as Trinity saw when they flew above them, taking all of 3 seconds, to get over the defense system. I would think the machines, capable of creating the Matrix, would find a skyscraper with a big solar panal on top a relatively simple achievement

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-06-2003 07:17:40 PM
quote:
Vorago wrote this stupid crap:
So? the sky is fine above the clouds, as Trinity saw when they flew above them, taking all of 3 seconds, to get over the defense system. I would think the machines, capable of creating the Matrix, would find a skyscraper with a big solar panal on top a relatively simple achievement

But then how do they control the humans at the same time? By leaving the Zionites to fight to rescue minds, they keep them from being very reproductive and working on uprising. The Matrix is only partially about powering the machines.

But, if this were the real world, you'd be correct. This, however, isn't reality.

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-06-2003 08:23:43 PM
Seems that there may be some alternate endings to the movie. Reposting this from another board I read where it was posted originally. If it turns out this is true, I'll post the alternate stuff at a later time. In spoiler space... just because.

I have a friend that works for warner brothers and is working on the special features of the dvd for revolutions and has shown me some very interesting alternate endings that I think would have made for a much more interesting movie.

The first one I saw was the internet theory about the entire human race being machines. Possibly this was not used because they thought the suprise was ruined?

The second one was more of a "just because we can". It ended the movie with Smith defeating Neo and destroying the machine and human races. There were some very cool special effects and it really put a dark twist on the movie. Personally I thought this ending would have been very powerful and would have set it apart from the same old tragic hero story.

The last ending panned over the fields of humans and implied that the capital city was not in fact the real world but just another form of control. It made it a little more interesting but there were still a lot of unanswered questions.

I was loaned the dvd with these endings on it by my friend and am in the process ripping it right now. It will be online in a few days for those of you that are interested.

OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 11-06-2003 08:42:28 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Talonus was all like:
Seems that there may be some alternate endings to the movie. Reposting this from another board I read where it was posted originally. If it turns out this is true, I'll post the alternate stuff at a later time. In spoiler space... just because.

I have a friend that works for warner brothers and is working on the special features of the dvd for revolutions and has shown me some very interesting alternate endings that I think would have made for a much more interesting movie.

The first one I saw was the internet theory about the entire human race being machines. Possibly this was not used because they thought the suprise was ruined?

The second one was more of a "just because we can". It ended the movie with Smith defeating Neo and destroying the machine and human races. There were some very cool special effects and it really put a dark twist on the movie. Personally I thought this ending would have been very powerful and would have set it apart from the same old tragic hero story.

The last ending panned over the fields of humans and implied that the capital city was not in fact the real world but just another form of control. It made it a little more interesting but there were still a lot of unanswered questions.

I was loaned the dvd with these endings on it by my friend and am in the process ripping it right now. It will be online in a few days for those of you that are interested.


Niiiiice...

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Drakkenmaw
Crunchy, tastes good with ketchup
posted 11-07-2003 06:16:19 AM
quote:
Talonus said this about your mom:
Seems that there may be some alternate endings to the movie. Reposting this from another board I read where it was posted originally. If it turns out this is true, I'll post the alternate stuff at a later time. In spoiler space... just because.

I have a friend that works for warner brothers and is working on the special features of the dvd for revolutions and has shown me some very interesting alternate endings that I think would have made for a much more interesting movie.

The first one I saw was the internet theory about the entire human race being machines. Possibly this was not used because they thought the suprise was ruined?

The second one was more of a "just because we can". It ended the movie with Smith defeating Neo and destroying the machine and human races. There were some very cool special effects and it really put a dark twist on the movie. Personally I thought this ending would have been very powerful and would have set it apart from the same old tragic hero story.

The last ending panned over the fields of humans and implied that the capital city was not in fact the real world but just another form of control. It made it a little more interesting but there were still a lot of unanswered questions.

I was loaned the dvd with these endings on it by my friend and am in the process ripping it right now. It will be online in a few days for those of you that are interested.


Uhhh... won't this get your friend wholly blacklisted from the movie business for all time? It's a big no-no to leak studio information prior to release.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-07-2003 12:56:24 PM
Because all hollywood execs check evercrest!
(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 11-07-2003 01:39:49 PM
POST ENDINGS! MUST HAVE MORE!
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The more I have to let go.
Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 11-08-2003 12:00:55 AM
I just finished watching it, and I must say while it was alittle weak in the ending, it wasn't all that bad.

My thoughts:
I love the whole Messiah/Jesus thing at the end. Neo is Jesus, he saves us all (machines(Romans) and Humans(Oppressed People)) by taking on our sins (embodied in Agent Smith who is the worst of both machine and human worlds) and then being cruxified via the surge of energy/code that went through his body, creating a cross like beam of light in both the real world and the Matrix. Now the slate is kinda wipped clean for all thinking being upon earth to try and work out their differences through Neo's sacrafice.

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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 11-08-2003 12:08:46 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Katrinity wrote:
I just finished watching it, and I must say while it was alittle weak in the ending, it wasn't all that bad.

My thoughts:
I love the whole Messiah/Jesus thing at the end. Neo is Jesus, he saves us all (machines(Romans) and Humans(Oppressed People)) by taking on our sins (embodied in Agent Smith who is the worst of both machine and human worlds) and then being cruxified via the surge of energy/code that went through his body, creating a cross like beam of light in both the real world and the Matrix. Now the slate is kinda wipped clean for all thinking being upon earth to try and work out their differences through Neo's sacrafice.


I agree. Very nice and will probably get it banned in some countries. One thing that did kinda bother me though. What is the little girl.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Pvednes
Lynched
posted 11-08-2003 12:08:56 AM
Waaay better than #2.

I must say I'm glad that they didn't make the world of Xion another matrix. The fight with Smith was rather overdone, like at several points there I definatly thought "Dragonball Z." What I think they should have done, was when they got into that training-room type thing from the first movie, should have done their final fight there, mirroring the first movie training fight with Morpheus. It was the same room, anyway, I am sure of it.

[ 11-08-2003: Message edited by: Pvednes ]

Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 11-08-2003 12:12:26 AM
quote:
Azizza had this to say about (_|_):
I agree. Very nice and will probably get it banned in some countries. One thing that did kinda bother me though. What is the little girl.

Well, my thought is, remember what her father said at the beginning of the movie. Every program has to have a purpose to be in the Matrix. I think maybe her purpose was controlling the weather/sky. She made a sunrise at the end, and when she was absorbed by Smith, he could of made it raining that night he and Neo fought, using her powers.

Cookie Goddess Supreme
Furry Kitsune of Power!
Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
Demos
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 12:42:25 AM
Ok, here's my thought.

First the humans realized that all the programs aren't bad (the humans and the Oracle). Then the machines realized that not all of humans were bad (people in train station getting along with Neo)

Remember, in the animatrix, the short where the people befriended the machine? The theme here is that there is such a thing as peaceful co-existance.

Humans thought they were perfect. It nearly destroyed them.
Then the machines, in true dramatic irony, thought they were perfect. And smith nearly destroyed them.

At the end of the movie, they realized this. They realized that you can't "win" by destroying; you only end up destroying yourself.

As for the girl, she is an innocent, virgin child, the link of unconditional acceptance and love between two sentient races. She symbolizes how pure respect and love can bind different people together.

The sunset at the end? If you think the girl is the symbol of the cooperation between the two races, they can bring back the Sun for the good of both races.

Like Waisz said, all in all it was a very religious movie. I thought the creators did a great job of maintaining a subtle, poignant theme.

[ 11-08-2003: Message edited by: Demos ]

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BacardiMunch
Wise enough not to pee on the electric fence?
posted 11-08-2003 12:52:00 AM
On the "Why didn't they just build solar towers that went past the storm?"

When Trinity is flying the ship up higher and higher several bolts of lightning struck it. This killed all the sentinals attached to the ship. It must've killed the ship too, which is why they fell.

I doubt the machines could've built somthing that wouldn't have gotten struck by lightning.

After the movie I had some fun. I went into the bathroom full of people and walked up to the nearest urinal. I looked down, unzipped, and said "Mr. Urinal, suprised to see me?" adding in with other lines like "Why do you continue to fight, why?!". I used a couple other lines, but pretty much everyone in the bathroom came out and lost it. It was good knowing I had made someone laugh.

Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 08:23:58 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Katrinity wrote:
I just finished watching it, and I must say while it was alittle weak in the ending, it wasn't all that bad.

My thoughts:
I love the whole Messiah/Jesus thing at the end. Neo is Jesus, he saves us all (machines(Romans) and Humans(Oppressed People)) by taking on our sins (embodied in Agent Smith who is the worst of both machine and human worlds) and then being cruxified via the surge of energy/code that went through his body, creating a cross like beam of light in both the real world and the Matrix. Now the slate is kinda wipped clean for all thinking being upon earth to try and work out their differences through Neo's sacrafice.


I never really thought of the machines in that way but that makes sense.
So does that make the machine that Neo talked with Pontius Pilate? Also, my thoughts about Smith was that he is the Devil. I thought it was most obvious when he was making his rant at the end. He wasn't taunting Neo when he asked him why he kept on getting up. Smith was very frustrated because he couldn't understand. Also, when Neo explains his actions with a simple "Because I choose to," its symbolizes that he has finally reached true enlightenment. According to Eastern philosophy, a person who justifies his actions through reasons or emotions can never be enlightened. A true enlightened person needs no justification for their actions.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 11-08-2003 11:21:20 AM
The weird thing is I saw Trinity dying. I mean, I hadn't read any spoilers or something but I got the feeling that they were going to pan down and she'd have a giant spike sticking out of her chest or something.

But then I thought, no, they wouldn't do that...

And then...

Aside from that I loved the movie. And also...didn't Neo, to an extent, use kung fu against Smith in the real world? I thought I saw a few kung fu blocks and stuff...but not as much, because in the Matrix Neo was used to being able to do the moves by bending the laws of physics and whatnot, the entire style depends to an extent on a world that is directly malleable by willpower. Or that's my takeupo on it anyway.

I really like your interpretation of it Kat.




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Broadzilla
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 01:22:47 PM
I saw the movie last night with two of my guy friends. I can see why I've heard so many people said it sucked, but I honestly thought it was good, except the very end. That was just so damn corny.
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posted 11-08-2003 03:34:57 PM
quote:
Pvednes got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Waaay better than #2.

I must say I'm glad that they didn't make the world of Xion another matrix. The fight with Smith was rather overdone, like at several points there I definatly thought "Dragonball Z." What I think they should have done, was when they got into that training-room type thing from the first movie, should have done their final fight there, mirroring the first movie training fight with Morpheus. It was the same room, anyway, I am sure of it.


Zion, not Xion.

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Burger
BANNED!
posted 11-08-2003 04:07:50 PM
The purpose of the little girl is to show neo that the machines are human to an extent as well. When Neo is talking with the father in the train station, he sees that the machines can feel love and other human emotions. It creates an empathy between neo and the machine world. She's the representation of hope and love from the machines.
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Leopold
Porn maniac
posted 11-08-2003 05:20:14 PM
Now that I've actually seen it...

The impression I got from the death of Smith was that, simply put, he opened himself up to a program vulnerability: he took over Neo, and plugged himself into the direct link to the machine that controlled the Matrix. The machine analyzes Smith's code, isolates it--and deletes it. Basically, Norton Antivirus saves the world.

Also, I got more of a King Arthur vibe from Neo: the half-slain warrior king (seemingly gone, but still emitting light) being carried off by the deity figure on a funeral boat to an Avalon of sorts, to be preserved until the world needed him again.

All in all, I liked it.

"Leopold said it best. This is one of the few times someone besides me is right." -Mr. Parcelan
Broadzilla
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 05:28:26 PM
quote:
Leopold, the Voice of Reason had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Basically, Norton Antivirus saves the world.

Read the above tag.

"I like lesbians with a giddy delight. If I had my own pair, I'd jack off every night."
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me."
"There are easier things in life then finding a good guy like nailing Jell-0 to a tree."

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Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 11-08-2003 06:49:13 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Leopold, the Voice of Reason said:
Now that I've actually seen it...

The impression I got from the death of Smith was that, simply put, he opened himself up to a program vulnerability: he took over Neo, and plugged himself into the direct link to the machine that controlled the Matrix. The machine analyzes Smith's code, isolates it--and deletes it. Basically, Norton Antivirus saves the world.


He did the same thing when he absorbed the Oracle.

That's why he was saying 'I'm supposed to stand right here, and say something, and...WUT?' etc.

As an aside, did anyone else find it hilarious when Neo slow-mo punched Smith and the flesh on his cheek started moving around like Jello? Or the line "See past these gelatin eyes!"

[ 11-08-2003: Message edited by: Gunslinger Moogle ]




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Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 09:02:17 PM
quote:
Leopold, the Voice of Reason had this to say about Cuba:
Now that I've actually seen it...

Also, I got more of a King Arthur vibe from Neo: the half-slain warrior king (seemingly gone, but still emitting light) being carried off by the deity figure on a funeral boat to an Avalon of sorts, to be preserved until the world needed him again.

All in all, I liked it.


The story of King Arthur is in itself an allegory to the story of Jesus.

Its interesting how you connected the two. I like your idea Leopold.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Snugglits
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posted 11-08-2003 09:06:03 PM
quote:
Gunslinger Moogle's account was hax0red to write:
He did the same thing when he absorbed the Oracle.

That's why he was saying 'I'm supposed to stand right here, and say something, and...WUT?' etc.

As an aside, did anyone else find it hilarious when Neo slow-mo punched Smith and the flesh on his cheek started moving around like Jello? Or the line "See past these gelatin eyes!"


Not gelatin eyes, it's "brown cow eyes" or "slow cow eyes", something with "cow". The flesh is gelatin.

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Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 11-08-2003 10:50:31 PM
I saw it, I liked it. Everything I could have said has already been said.

Whoo.

Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 11-08-2003 11:09:05 PM
I wanted one thing, and ONE THING ONLY.


I wanted a KAMEHAMEHA. Seriously. I would've died a happy man.


Saw it, loved it.

However...


Uh, am I the only one who thinks that this is just a showing of a cycle? You know, the archetect said that there were many Ones. And the matrix just got reset; and some people are leaving; so they are a new Zion?

Did the cycle just start over again?

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Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-08-2003 11:12:41 PM
quote:
Lenlalron Flameblaster had this to say about (_|_):
I wanted one thing, and ONE THING ONLY.


I wanted a KAMEHAMEHA. Seriously. I would've died a happy man.


Saw it, loved it.

However...


Uh, am I the only one who thinks that this is just a showing of a cycle? You know, the archetect said that there were many Ones. And the matrix just got reset; and some people are leaving; so they are a new Zion?

Did the cycle just start over again?


It's different this time because the machines allow those that want out to leave, instead of trying to keep them (as in previous matrices).

Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 11-08-2003 11:16:01 PM
To answer Lenlaron's question: No. Neo ended the cycle. All of the other One's before him chose to go back to the source, thereby putting the anomoly code back into the Matrix. When Neo didn't he changed everything. That's one of the things that the Oracle meant when she said "Everything that has a beginning has an end."

Also, what Vorbis said.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
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