"My homeowner's association will only allow the dish if it's less than sixteen inches across, pastel pink or blue, and can be installed indoors."
For those of you that don't know, in some "upper class" communities the people band together to basically tell everyone what they can or can't do on thier property in the interest of keeping things looking "tasteful" (IE how they think it should look) so they can drive down the street and just cream thier pants at how Leave-it-to-Beaver bucolic everything is. "Oh Charles! How lovely the neighborhood is now that we've driven out dissenting tastes!"
The very concept of someone else telling me what to do with my property strikes me as completely unconstitutional. If I had a homeowners association trying to tell me what to do, I'd set up a squadron of plastic santas in my front yard year 'round just to piss them off.
My question is this: Do these people even have any legal power? If so, what communist allowed this to happen?
I'd say, thought, that they'll just another reason to move out into the Colorado Rockies after you make your millions. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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So quoth Someone Else:
No, we have homeowners associations here in the Colorado Rockies, too.
I'll find someplace remote.
Maybe Slumgullion Pass.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj wrote:
I'll find someplace remote.Maybe Slumgullion Pass.
Move over here, we don't have them.
Every street still manages to look the same, though. :/
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Mortious got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Move over here, we don't have them.Every street still manages to look the same, though. :/
Been to England. It's very beautiful, but not warm enough for me. I know what you're thinking: "And the fucking mountains are?" It's actually pretty seasonable in most of the Rockies in the summer, and IIRC, Slumgullion Pass in is Park County, which is in the southwest quarter of the state. I'd practically be in New Mexico! 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
We don't have anything like that here, though.
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Bill attempted to be funny by writing:
The very concept of someone else telling me what to do with my property strikes me as completely unconstitutional.
How do you figure? Homeowner's Associations are created voluntarily by the landowners in a neighborhood, and if you're buying a home in a neighborhood that has a pre-existing HA, your membership in it is pretty clearly laid out in the land title.
If you don't like it, don't buy that house. The Constutition has nothing to do with it. No one's ever been forced into a homeowner's association... the problem is when people get into it without fully realizing what they're getting into.
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Bill attempted to be funny by writing:
If I had a homeowners association trying to tell me what to do, I'd set up a squadron of plastic santas in my front yard year 'round just to piss them off.My question is this: Do these people even have any legal power? If so, what communist allowed this to happen?
Yes, they have legal power. You are contractually bound to honor the decisions of your homeowner's association when you sign the paperwork to purchase a house in their jurisdiction. Failure to comply opens you up to anything from being sued to forfeiture of your land.
Don't cut your lawn for a couple weeks in the summer? They'll hire someone to cut it for you, then send you the bill.
Complete bullshit.
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Where's Waisz? had this to say:
Don't cut your lawn for a couple weeks in the summer? They'll hire someone to cut it for you, then send you the bill.
I can't cut my lawn, or do any other kind of gardening.
Not unless I want my eyelids to fold back over my eyes, puffing up into huge and grotesque masses of flesh that blind me, which happened once.
I hate hayfever, and I get it bad. BAD.
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Mortious obviously shouldn't have said:
I can't cut my lawn, or do any other kind of gardening.Not unless I want my eyelids to fold back over my eyes, puffing up into huge and grotesque masses of flesh that blind me, which happened once.
I hate hayfever, and I get it bad. BAD.
Lucky bastard.
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How do you figure? Homeowner's Associations are created voluntarily by the landowners in a neighborhood, and if you're buying a home in a neighborhood that has a pre-existing HA, your membership in it is pretty clearly laid out in the land title.
I figure it's an abuse of law aimed at forcing your opinion of how property should look on other people.
I'd refuse to sign any contract waiving my right to do what I want with my property. Don't want to sell me the property without it? How is that any different from discrimination?
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We were all impressed when Bill wrote:
I figure it's an abuse of law aimed at forcing your opinion of how property should look on other people.I'd refuse to sign any contract waiving my right to do what I want with my property. Don't want to sell me the property without it? How is that any different from discrimination?
Yeah, esentially.
Gotta love that whole thing where people want what is normal while they themselves aren't.
I liked the guy across the street in Vegas who had cacti instead of a lawn. 
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Bill wrote this stupid crap:
I'd refuse to sign any contract waiving my right to do what I want with my property. Don't want to sell me the property without it? How is that any different from discrimination?
When the HA is founded, the person owning the property willingly signed the agreement/contract/whatever. Part of that states that they can't sell the land to anyone else unless they too sign on.
If you don't sign on, they don't have to sell it to you. Like McDonalds, they have the right not to conduct business with someone. Not to mention, they would be breaking their contract-thingy if they did.
I'm sure there are ways around it, but I'm not sure it would be worth it.
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[Addendum: I think most of the reasons for HAs is to make sure that everyone's propery value doesn't fall right into the ground. If someone at one end of the block doesn't maintain their house or yard at all, it can deteriorate YOUR property value even if you're on the other end of the block.]
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Verily, Bill doth proclaim:
It's kinda like making black people sign a contract that they'll bleach thier skin before selling them a property.
Nope, not quite.
It can cover the stuff on the property, and what's done on the property, but that's it. It can't cover the people themselves.
McDonalds can kick you out if you don't follow their rules (shoes, shirt, don't feed the Snootas). Don't want to follow the rules? Then don't go there. Same deal here. But, just as McDonalds CAN'T kick you out due to your race, so a HA can't restrict what kinds of people live there.
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How.... Palador ChibiDragon.... uughhhhhh:
Nope, not quite.It can cover the stuff on the property, and what's done on the property, but that's it. It can't cover the people themselves.
It's still the exact same principle: Using a contract to force someone into your idea of desireable behavior before you'll allow them to purchase a property that you do not own. [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Bill ]
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Karnaj said:
I dunno. I'm a country bumpkin.I'd say, thought, that they'll just another reason to move out into the Colorado Rockies after you make your millions.
Try Montanna...Not enough People in my home state to form a homeowner's association..
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Bill attempted to be funny by writing:
It's still the exact same principle: Using a contract to force someone into your idea of desireable behavior before you'll allow them to purchase a property that you do not own.
If you don't like it, you can always have the seller of the home install astroturf so that you don't have to worry about doing maintenance. 
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Bill had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
It's still the exact same principle: Using a contract to force someone into your idea of desireable behavior before you'll allow them to purchase a property that you do not own.
True, true. But, at least the rules get applied to everybody evenly.
Still, I wonder how hard it is to break some of those HA contracts? I would love to buy a house in one of those areas, rip it down, and put up a big stone circle right in the middle of their neighborhood.
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Nobody really understood why Palador ChibiDragon wrote:
True, true. But, at least the rules get applied to everybody evenly.Still, I wonder how hard it is to break some of those HA contracts? I would love to buy a house in one of those areas, rip it down, and put up a big stone circle right in the middle of their neighborhood.
Screw a circle. I would erect a a 50 ft tall stone penis.
(No Pun intended.) [ 05-04-2003: Message edited by: Arrenn Lightblade ]
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A sleep deprived Arrenn Lightblade stammered:
Screw a circle. I would erect a a 50 ft tall stone penis.
Why? If there's a HA in the area, won't there be enough dicks in the area allready?
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I live in a neighborhood which is semi-wealthy I'd say. We have a nice lake, nice private two mile parkway which leads to our houses(branchs off into subdivisons), two olympic sized pools etc. All houses are kept clean, cut grass, small fences(no privacy fences allowed), certain shades of paint not allowed on a home. Our neighborhoods almost eight years old and its increased in value almost. Due to upkeep, and sprawling growing places around us. We have a private mowing/upkeep company that cuts all the public grass and plants trees and flowers.
The neighborhood beside us, that doesn't not have a HA is getting to be real bad. About every ten houses, you might see grass uncut for three weeks, broken down cars in the drive ways, boats parked out on the side of the street. They don't upkeep their public property either, their tiny little sign that says their neighborhoods name is now buried in vines and uncut grass. Their neighborhood lowers our value.
None of our HA's demands are horribly restricting. I'm pretty sure you can drip oil in our neighborhood, because my car did a little and no one complained . I enjoy driving though our neighborhood soo much more, because we can't have cars left parked on the street overnight or over six hours I beleive it is. People in the neighborhood beside us leave cars/boats permantly parked on the road, which can cause an accident or failed view of children running out in the street(happened to me a couple times, scarey).
All and all, HA's get my vote.
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Kirane stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Home Owners is defianlity a good thing.I live in a neighborhood which is semi-wealthy I'd say. We have a nice lake, nice private two mile parkway which leads to our houses(branchs off into subdivisons), two olympic sized pools etc. All houses are kept clean, cut grass, small fences(no privacy fences allowed), certain shades of paint not allowed on a home. Our neighborhoods almost eight years old and its increased in value almost. Due to upkeep, and sprawling growing places around us. We have a private mowing/upkeep company that cuts all the public grass and plants trees and flowers.
The neighborhood beside us, that doesn't not have a HA is getting to be real bad. About every ten houses, you might see grass uncut for three weeks, broken down cars in the drive ways, boats parked out on the side of the street. They don't upkeep their public property either, their tiny little sign that says their neighborhoods name is now buried in vines and uncut grass. Their neighborhood lowers our value.
None of our HA's demands are horribly restricting. I'm pretty sure you can drip oil in our neighborhood, because my car did a little and no one complained
. I enjoy driving though our neighborhood soo much more, because we can't have cars left parked on the street overnight or over six hours I beleive it is. People in the neighborhood beside us leave cars/boats permantly parked on the road, which can cause an accident or failed view of children running out in the street(happened to me a couple times, scarey).
All and all, HA's get my vote.
Parked cars on the side of the road are something that are beginning to get to me. You can't see the street before you pull out of my parking lot because of vans in the way. I had a panhandler jump in front of my car before I could leave the driveway becuase he was hiding behind a van. Just two weeks ago a child was hit pretty bad by a car trying to leave my parking lot. I don't have a HA, and I'd personaly love it if people would get together and clean up my area. However, on the same note, I have to ask - what prevents the HA from overstepping their bounds, or making rules to harm someone they don't like.
I HAVE seen some pretty horrendously-decorated homes... hell, homes that go just beyond laziness into the realm of the absurd. Junk and crap thrown into front lawns, outhouses in the inner city (what the fuck), half-done ponds that remained as such for four years, giant, open compost heaps and, uh, chickens. Yeah, someone was keeping chickens under their porch. It was weird. I could see how that would detract from the neighborhood around it, but...
I also place great value on personal freedoms, and this seems to take away from it. If you don't like your neighbor's decor, you're always free to move away, or even better, speak to them in person about it rather than get legal on their ass. I assume when I eventually get a house I'm going to do some freaky things to it (I'm gloriously overdramatic; expect dreamy, dark landscapes and a backyard waterfall or something). I figure, as long as you keep it up what you do on your own property is your own damn business.
So... I could see the logic there, but if you get too draconian with it it just becomes absurd.
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Yeah, someone was keeping chickens under their porch.
God damn it Drysart, we've told you about those chickens. That's a breach of contract; get the hell outta here!
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Verily, Peter doth proclaim:
As much as a house could look bad...If it's my house I want to do what ever I danm well please.
I'd love to see you say that when you try to SELL your house.
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Peter was listening to Cher while typing:
As much as a house could look bad...If it's my house I want to do what ever I danm well please.
Then don't live in a community with an association. Simple as that.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Rurouni Densetsu had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I'd love to see you say that when you try to SELL your house.
If My house was bad looking and I tried to sell it like that, then I deserve to get hosed for being a Idiot..but when I am living it it and want to park my car in the drive way, or paint my house Neon Fucking gren, or fence it in 10ft stockade fencing I should be able to do so, it my property to do as I see fit...but if I am going to sell it, well I will take the fencing, and repaint the house if I want to get a good deal on it.
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Bill had this to say about Optimus Prime:
It's still the exact same principle: Using a contract to force someone into your idea of desireable behavior before you'll allow them to purchase a property that you do not own.
It's nothing like the exact same principle. Your principle is here. THe other is in Cleveland. Watching an Indians game.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Kirane stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Home Owners is defianlity a good thing.
If you agree with them 100% on every issue they enforce, but of course if that's the case then your house would be that way even without communists telling you what to do with it.
Unless it's a health or public safety hazard, what other people's property looks like is no business of yours. I'd readily tolerate uncut grass and broken down cars in yards if it meant I was free to do whatever the hell I want with property I own.
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Bill had this to say:
I was free to do whatever the hell I want with property I own.
Pay the mortgage off.
Then you can say that. 
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Mortious had this to say about Pirotess:
Pay the mortgage off.Then you can say that.
If banks were going around telling people what to do with property, then you'd have a point
