I know who, and why they are being voted a one. I also respect and totally lack to see the false reasoning behind them. But I do acknowledge them.
So my game threads are an abuse of these boards? Because they, bi-weekly not weekly as they would like to be claimed, pop up to announce game time? Because once, every two weeks, a thread is made announcing a time and place to meet to join a game to play, that has to be looked for closely to find amidst all the "Come Play CS NOW!!" or "WC3 GO NOW" threads? Every two weeks a thread is made announcing a game, that not everyone can be a part of, but several people are allowed to join at different points, or watch, or crack jokes, or in general the masses can discuss views, reactions, ask questions, look for an opportunity to join themselves as several people including Batty, Nem-X, Katrinity, INT, and several others have done since I started running public games, and numerous others have had a chance to sit in on? Yet these threads are still attributed to shutting out the public? So nothing in them is ever posted that anyone outside the group may find funny or interesting? Unless youre in my group, none of the jokes, statements, or stints like many other parodies and DnD jokes, like Fennar's heads or similar things, are for anyone but the group?
They are made to totally ignore the masses, and hold only to the minority? Penis jokes, Sexual innuendo jokes set in DnD do not amuse more that just those involved in the game themselves?
So, what is my motivation behind this ever so blatant abuse of these boards? Since I don't pay, you know, being a non-subscriber makes my abilities around here less than par when compared to those who do pay.
My original motivation behind these threads was to get players, so I got players. Then like so many other game threads that were being posted, three, four times a day MINIMUM, such as my "WC3 GO NOW!" example, they continued to be posted to remind those players involved when and where to me, kind of similar to Time and IP info. So I have a smaller player base, I can quit right? Well, as is so easily ignored by those who wish to make hypocritical comments, my player base is rather large, and I take on new players all the time, and allow people to come sit in and watch constantly. With out these threads those, ignored masses, would not see the chance to join or ask to join. Since I make it open for them publicly. As stated, a whole new gaming group was created because of these threads. Also these threads are created to share jokes or funny stories, as like so many other RL funny stories, or gaming stories, or "DING!! Look what happened to me today" posts that are made.
So why don't I pay Drysart to subscribe to these boards? I have paid him in the past, in fact I paid him double, which is all I could afford to spare at the time and I had to lie about that in the first place to be able to send him the money, just to make up for all the time I went un registered because it made me feel bad. I barely make ends meet as it is; I have very little to spare period. You notice I dont take place in any of the major game fads, or play EQ or any of the other money hoarding crap? Cause I downright can't afford it. It's almost too much just to remain online as it is, WHICH to be honest I really shouldn't be. It's a luxury in itself. If Imp in anything it's because it's been given as gift to me, or been made accessible to me by the grace of others, and yes I mean grace. Because I thank those gift givers constantly, I remind them of how much they mean to me, and what they have done for me, and just where they stand. Tim has done an immeasurable service to me, which is why Imp still here after four years, which is why if he asked me to do something or help him with something I don't hesitate to do it. I respect him for it, and will continue to do so.
These boards were founded on games, about games, and for the sharing with others or announcement, and none of that has ever changed. The one voter is allowed to vote a one, it is there right, and they are welcome too it. I will not debate the fact, but the pettiness of it disturbs me. Which is fine I will deal with that myself. However, voting a one is still their right.
I use these boards to do my game stuff to reach the masses, because regardless of what the opinion may be, the masses are my target. Whether it is to share game art, or share game stories and jokes, or whether it is to invite new people to play. The people I choose to invite to play, and the people I choose to share my art and stories with are here. My target, aside from actual game times and dates, is NOT my players, and never is. Never has been and never will be. The initial post in my thread is for my players, what comes after is for everyone, and is often a chance to join. Because I choose to give everyone an equal opportunity to join should they see the thread, EVEN if it ends up they can't play such as in Xyrra's case. I wanted her to join, she responded, but turned out her router didn't work. Well if not for the thread, she never would have known she had a chance to join.
These are public boards, and used for public posts. So why this thread? Because what I have learned seriously upset me in it's hypocrisy, and it's pettiness. So I pose it here. If Tim wishes such threads from me to stop, let him say so, either in PM to me or here.
Or, should the majority here, the regular posters who feel that I abuse the usage of these boards, or otherwise annoy them with my threads, or would rather see them gone respond saying so and win the majority vote, then they end. Period.
Those who have problems with such, speak up, or voice your opinions. I will respect them, and the decision is yours.
No I will not announce who caused this, or instigated it. There is no reason to make that public, nor is there any reason to make that situation worse, and I would ask those who know to respect my wishes in this.
I am however sad, angry, and otherwise bemused by all of this, and the judgment of my motivations, actions, and character leave me very much hurt. But I will leave it to objectivity, and you can all make the choice. [ 09-04-2002: Message edited by: Faelynn LeAndris ]
teehee 
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EVEN if it ends up they can't play such as in Xyrra's case. I wanted her to join, she responded, but turned out her router didn't work.
*snifflepout*
Still so mad about that!!! 
On the bright side, I am working to get it all taken care of though. I'll let you know what happens 
Your threads are what allowed me to even find out about your games, and allowed me to play.
I appreciate them and you.
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So quoth Humble Parcelan:
I approve of this thread.
As do I.
Fae, that was very well said, and was done with much more social grace than I thought possible by anyone here at these boards.
I love you. 
It's a way to recruit new players, and I think it's a great way to go about it. Thank you Fae, for providing many people here in EverCrest, a bit of DnD to play. We all know you can't accomodate the numbers who ask, but damnit, it amazes me that you actually do take in the numbers that you do. Thanks once again, Fae
(If my spelling is off in places, Ill blame it on sleepiness.)
I don't really see why people would be against these threads.
It's just another thread informing of a game. Unless you vote against every thread about playing games, informing when another game is starting, or anything of the like, then I don't see a reason to.
Technically you don't violate any rules. And subscribing has nothing to do with it. Some people, I like to think, survive on the forums by the grace of Drysart's good will. Like me. I've never had the five bucks a month that I could conveniently and comfortably give up in order to subscribe. But Drys treats me just as fairly as everyone else. So I don't think subscription or rules or bandwidth come into the matter.
And I think that it's not a matter of jealousy between the haves and have nots (not that you brought it up, but I'm covering all my bases here). There are other D&D games played by other board members. In the very least, I know I run my game via IRC. So it's not a matter of sour grapes ruining the wine, so to speak.
But why the boards? That's the question. Why the forum board itself? If you need to remind players (which happens to all of us), there's a PM. Or you could easily set up a mailing list via YahooGroups or in your own browser. Don't tell me your players don't regularly check their email?
The other thing is the...how should I put this...cliquish sort of way things go. I'm all for appreciation for players. When a session goes well you want to bubble over and shake everyone's hand and keep the feeling of good vibrations going. But there are other cliques around the board that started the same way and things have gotten ugly. Would rather not see things go that way.
I could go into the fact that I get tired of repetitive posts week after week (or every two weeks, but you get the point) but if I was going to stick people with that I'd be condemning half the boards. Mort's ALWAYS evil, etc. So that's not really an issue.
What it really came down to was a personal opinion and preference held by two people (to my knowledge). Nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't meant to start a war, it wasn't meant to hurt feelings. I don't clutter the board with commentary on my game, despite the fact half my players hang out here, and I'd prefer not to see others do it on the main board. But they're ultimately not my boards, and ultimately you don't violate any rules.
I don't know if Lyinar posted in any of your other threads, so I can't speak for her, but I for one never intended for this to get you as upset as you seem to be. That's why I for one never talked to anyone about it other than Lyinar. If we have a difference of opinions, so be it. No harm in a disagreement. If the majority doesn't care, it's no skin off my back. I do wish someone had let me, for one, know that things were coming to a head like this before it got turned into a public spectacle.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Don't tell me your players don't regularly check their email?
I don't.
I really hate E-mail. Of all the aspects of the Internet I enjoy, E-Mail is simply something that never clicked for me...
I just don't understand why it's any different than the countless "Liquid Gaming, Go" Threads or Warcraft 3 Threads, BF1942 threads, or threads like that...
But one of the points that was brought was that Fae and his players' Alt Accounts weren't subscribers, and that it was taking up bandwidth...
Sorry, this is probably more detail than I should've gone into... Nothing personal.
But they're there for the people who do enjoy them.
Not everyone here on the boards play Battlefield 1942, but y'know, there are alot of threads dedicated to that as well, and it's not every two weeks either, (First example that came to mind,) infact, it's multiple, daily. I guess you could consider those a waste of bandwidth, as they don't apply to the entire populace of EverCrest.
Eh, anyways, I feel they should just be left alone. Why vote ones on them?
That said, I agree that it isn't any different then any other gaming type thread. It's a reminder for those of us who don't check email. And as was said before by someone, I can't remember who, "If you don't like it, you don't have to read/look/whatever at it."
That's my view on it.
I check it maybe..once a week, at most.
I don't like to give out my e-mail address, cause I know I don't check it.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
SNIP.
My Gameday posts are not just a matter of keeping track and reminding players, as I said, they almost always announce a new spot open, or an observer spot open.
Rather than being favoritist, and picking guest players, etc. I choose to give everyone an equal opportunity to join. Aside from Synny, KaL, Art, Pved, Abbi and Rosa, which is 6 out of 14 total players and two guest spots, all joined this way. I opened the thread to public view, and gave everyone the same opportunity and chance to join or watch, rather than picking favorites. Which is contradictory to the clique definition
Some players who joined this way, such as Elethi, and INT in the main group EARNED thier permanent positions after having PLAYED the actual game, but they both started here. With an announcement, and an opening.
Deth your games are secure, you are not constantly adding players, and when you do add, you invite. There is a total difference. This works for you, which is great, and its your choice. I leave mine public for the benifit of whoever wishes.
I share stories, or funny anectdotes for the benifit of others that happened during the game, much as so many others share funny DnD stories or DnD jokes, or numerous other game funnies in the same way. There is no difference.
That is the reason for the main boards. To quote what everyone sees daily in the newspaper. I am an equal opportunity employer. Every thread has offered at least one place.
If anyone wishes to discuss this with me, then they can send me a PM, or see me in the SorcNet IRC channel.
And if voting a one on a legitimate opinion is wrong, then so is following a single person around and voting one to their thread whatever you think is about it is wrong, isn't it RPCresters? And don't try to deny that you do it. I have it on good authority that it's common practice toward me, and Deth from what I've seen as well.
Kind of hypocritical to complain that voting one because you dislike someone isn't something you should do, then going and doing that same thing you renounced, isn't it?
That's all I have to say on this subject. If anyone wants to bring it up, you know how to contact me.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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So quoth Lyinar Ka`Bael:
I have it on good authority
Well there goes any remaining doubts I had.At any rate, I voted one of your threads a one, and another a 2, if I remember correctly.
And who's to judge the legitimacy of it? 
I'm going to be brutally honest, in an effort to defend my point.
I happen to find Deth's humour, while perfectly benign, and generally quite clever, very bland, and all in all, not very humourous to me. I dislike the RP Threads you do out here between Alt Accounts, the RP drives me nuts, it grates on my nerves. True, I don't have to read it, but then again, you don't have to read Fae's Gameday Threads.
And it's not like the only ones I vote are on your threads, or the only vote I give any of your threads is a one.
I fail to see how using it as a "personal messenger service" is any more rude or disrespectful than using it as a place to hold flame wars, a place to RP amongst alt accounts (Don't you have IRC channels for that? You could do it in E-mails, you could set up your own boards, as you like to remind us we should do...), a place to call others to a Counterstrike game, a place to rant or share angst, etc. etc.
I don't know, maybe I wasn't raised properly or something, but I'm failing to see why Tim would be offended. But if Tim has any opinion whatsoever on these D&D threads, he's most certainly entitled to it, and welcome to share it with anyone.
I know you know Fae, and I know that you and Fae are/were friends at some point. I know anyone who knows Fae knows that Fae would never post those threads if it ever occurred to him that they could be rude or disrespectful to Tim, or any other of the Board's posters.
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Also, you seem to be missing the entire point Fae was making about how they're not just "reminders" for players to meet. They're so that other people can read about it (believe it or not, some people like it), and apply to guest spots, or show up for Observer spots. Like Fae said, some great great RPers have wound up in his lap by surprise when he made the game public.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
And if voting a one on a legitimate opinion is wrong, then so is following a single person around and voting one to their thread whatever you think is about it is wrong, isn't it RPCresters?
Blanket statements are fun. Thanks for including everyone who hangs out in there, even though most of us don't do that.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
I disagree with them, so I vote them low. I think using Tim's boards as your own personal messenger service instead of setting up an alternative way of informing people of things is rude and disrespectful to him.If anyone wishes to discuss this with me, then they can send me a PM, or see me in the SorcNet IRC channel.
And if voting a one on a legitimate opinion is wrong, then so is following a single person around and voting one to their thread whatever you think is about it is wrong, isn't it RPCresters? And don't try to deny that you do it. I have it on good authority that it's common practice toward me, and Deth from what I've seen as well.
Kind of hypocritical to complain that voting one because you dislike someone isn't something you should do, then going and doing that same thing you renounced, isn't it?
That's all I have to say on this subject. If anyone wants to bring it up, you know how to contact me.
Read before you assume, as you have not done. I have alternate methods of contacting my players, my players are NOT limited to some small number, nor are my games closed to the public. They ARE Public. The threads are not speciffically for my current players alone, and never have been.
You are parading an injustice that doesn't exist, because you feel it must be enforced.
You have the right to vote a one, I will not and cannot deny you that right, nor would I try. Your continuation of it, however, is not just a matter of opinion. It is petty. However, you can still retain that right because it is no ones to take.
I also have the right to make public posts, on a public forum. That is my right until TIm decides to take it away, and if he does so, it is to be respected. However, bothering the majority is not a goal, hence this thread.
This was NOT brought about by the voting issue, it is just a point. It is because of bullishness, and a lot of bad words. My choice of character has become flawed.
I also did not mention you, although some could guess, and some already knew. Which says a lot. I am sorry that Deth did, but someone probably would have eventually.
This is my peice, all that needs to be said from here on is majority opinion on whether these threads bother anyone and should stop. Tim of course has final say, and Lyinar your opinion is noted.
Honestly your game posts are one of the few posts that serve a real purpose on an otherwise frivolous pursuit like this and I can't see why "Hey it's game time brave adventurers" is worse than, say, 10 different threads about BF1942.
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Batty had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Blanket statements are fun.Thanks for including everyone who hangs out in there, even though most of us don't do that.
I'm such an evil bastard, I voted a 1 on a thread yesterday.
Lyinar,
I am NOT an RPcrester.. I voted low on three of your threads. You complained about it obviously and a good majority of people have that privledge taken away. I knew that you voted low on his threads AFTER stating your discontent in one of his threads. You were the only person who had outright said they didnt approve therefore I put two and two together when I found that out. It didnt take your personal discussion with anyone to allow me to know this. I already felt I was pretty right. Just like you... "Have it on good authority" that the "RPcresters" were voting low.. your "explanation" as to why you felt justified in doing something so petty to someone who has never gone out of his way to cause you harm by words alone and wouldnt think of doing as such because he respects you for that. I dunno.. just seems really low.. even for you. This explanation seemed full of quite a few holes. Fae may not be able to afford a monthly donation but heck.. up until just recently.. I was paying for three accounts out of my own pocket.. and I am sure that there are others who are also subscribers who read these threads with much interest.
Does that not give us a right to vote low on your threads? I mean.. I chose certain threads that adhered to the same things you spoke out against and I left alone other threads that pertained to the entire board. I was selective in how I voted low. Like your One year anniversary thread in which you extended warm fuzzies to select people. I mean.. they didnt pertain to the board as a whole.. right? Thats "using up Tim's bandwith" is it not? I kept my mouth shut and voted one on that. I voted one on the Queen of the Damned thread. I am entitled to my opinion am I not? So I disagreed with what you had to say in form of a vote. Just as you did with so many of the DnD threads posted on these boards. I may have voted one on one other one but that I am not sure about. At most it was three votes of 1. I didnt "follow you around" voting one every chance I got. I just did your basic... 'fair is fair'.. *shrug*
God forbid that anyone disagree with you.. then they are labeled as the 'rabid RPCresters' regardless of the fact that they may not frequent that IRC room at all..
You sicken me to the worst possible degree.. Im kept my mouth shut for this long and Im finally sick of it. You pride yourself on being 'so smart and intelligent'... Thats all nice and well.. but you have a f'ing skewed up vision in your mind about common courtesy and manners towards people online.
I swear.. ever since Drysart banned the usage of that crusade picture or any form of that kind of 'attack' you yourself have seemed to have gotten worse as far as your relations with alot of people on here.
*shakes her head* Try following your own advice sometime. Those who have spoken against you are very correct. If you dont like a thread or post.. you dont hafta read it. You said it before.. you need to practice what you preach instead of trying to instigate ill will between yourself and others. You'd find things would be much more pleasant.
This goes for everyone.. Honestly.. It truly sickens me that someone as kind hearted as Fae feels so distressed over these stupid issues. I usually try my hardest to keep my yap shut.. but there it is.. Im sick of keeping it shut and if you dont like it.. I could give two shits less. You dont pay my bills.. you dont walk in my shoes.. you mean NOTHING to me. But the minute you start causing my friends and loved ones grief.. thats when the gloves start to come off.
Anyway, Synny's response about sums up what I think. I always though the rating system was a bad idea, thus I only used it when asked if it was broken for everyone or not.
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There was much rejoicing when D© said this:
I'm such an evil bastard, I voted a 1 on a thread yesterday.
DUUUUUUUUUDE.
You can vote for threads on this message board?!?
In all seriousness, I don't remember the last time I voted on a thread, much less one of Lyinar's. But then again, I barely remember my own name half the time. Seriously. O_o
Why does anyone give three halves of a rats ass, or even one quarter of a pile of shit what their thread has been rated at?
news flash number two!
THE VOTE A THREAD GETS EFFECTS NOTHING
No one skips a thread because it has been rated a 1, or goes into a thread because it has been rated a 5. They go into a thread with a title that intrests them. If you say otherwise, well then you are weird. or something. perhaps you are an alien of some sort. I hear uranus is over-populated, perhaps you came from there.
News flash number three!!!
WHEN PEOPLE FIGHT ABOUT STUPID SOPHMOREIC THINGS ON THIS BOARD, PEOPLE GET BANNED
I don't want ANYONE to get banned. stop acting like children and do something my cousin learned to do when he was 2. SHARE. Just SHARE THE FUCKING BOARDS.
Don't try to claim ownership or perceived guardianship over the boards, only one man and three people that may or may not be man, but are most likely not from uranus have guardianship over the boards, and if THEY think something is wrong, THEY will say something about it. it isn't YOUR job. I don't give a fuck if you are tom, jack, jill, or motherfucking mary in a sunday dress with a top hat, just shut your damn mouth and let the people in charge of the boards take care of the boards.
DAMN i feel better.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I disagree with them, so I vote them low. I think using Tim's boards as your own personal messenger service instead of setting up an alternative way of informing people of things is rude and disrespectful to him.If anyone wishes to discuss this with me, then they can send me a PM, or see me in the SorcNet IRC channel.
And if voting a one on a legitimate opinion is wrong, then so is following a single person around and voting one to their thread whatever you think is about it is wrong, isn't it RPCresters? And don't try to deny that you do it. I have it on good authority that it's common practice toward me, and Deth from what I've seen as well.
Kind of hypocritical to complain that voting one because you dislike someone isn't something you should do, then going and doing that same thing you renounced, isn't it?
That's all I have to say on this subject. If anyone wants to bring it up, you know how to contact me.
This thread is about Fae's games, not pulling RPCrest in and labelling them as "stalking you in a band, voting 'one' on all your threads." To my knowledge, it's *not* common practice. Please don't assume anything. I've voted 'one' on *one* of your threads in the past few months or so, thanks. And that's because of my personal opinion. And yes, I probably sound a bit snippy in this, but that's because it's been a long day for me. ;)
Anyway, back on topic. Personally, I see nothing wrong with FaeFae's threads about his games. It's a public game, so why not announce it publicly? Just like all the WarCraft III, BF1942, etc., games. Just like announcing a new DnD game is starting up. It only occurs biweekly. It's not like they're taking up 99% of Evercrest's bandwidth. But, hey, just my opinion. Plus, I like to see how his games are doing. :D
*huggles FaeFae* <3
I only read part of what was written here, since as the tag says, it's too long, and I'm tired.
Last I checked these boards were set up so that members of the EC community could POST about things they were involved with, experiencing or facing. No one here, save for the two of us, has any right to deem what extracurricular activities are EC worthy.
For the love of god, can I just pretend that there isn't so ridiculous of a dispute going on as this? Please?
I think my brain is haemorrhaging.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Piper said:
For the love of god, can I just pretend that there isn't so ridiculous of a dispute going on as this? Please?
No. You must suffer as we have. The logic here makes my brain collapse and atrophy.
and I love youu too and Piper I lovve you too and Synnae and Parcie too and Kloie tooo! [ 09-04-2002: Message edited by: The Nae (tm) ]
If you're going to vote 1 on a thread for any reason, tell me why those don't end up with 1's on them more often than not. They're more of a 'waste of bandwidth' than Fae's D&D threads. I enjoyed those D&D threads =/ Well, not the 'Game day' threads, I just skipped those, but when the logs were posted. FUNNAY
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Piper thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I think my brain is haemorrhaging.
I knew these old socks would come in handy!
This thread is not about Lyinar. Yes I brought some things up, and some things bothered me, but on a whole it was venting, and it is not the point behind this thread.
This thread is on public opinion on whether I should stop the threads or not, based on whether it bothers people or not. Because if it bothers too many people then they are counter productive, and have lost the point for why I make them, and they need to stop.
If they have not, then I will continue to post them for peoples amuzement, and to announce positions in the future.
I was angry, and I was hurt. I still am to a degree, but the point has been derailed.
Does it, or does it not bother you, and would you rather see them gone.?
For the opinions, defenses, and whatnot expressed so far however, I do thank you, but the topic has been shifted.
I do not regret, nor reteact any of my statements, but concern of public opinion is my main priority.
As far as we know, there are only two people that don't like them. And if there are more, and they speak, I doubt they will outnumber those who like your threads.
Go with the majority and the things you like to post. Stick around 
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We were all impressed when Faelynn LeAndris wrote:
This thread is on public opinion on whether I should stop the threads or not, based on whether it bothers people or not.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo. STOP NOT THE THREADS! They hurt nobody! They're not 'bad' despite what anyone may think. They're more on-topic and have more of a use, than 90% of the other stuff that can be found in posts around here, anyways
I SAY LET THE D&D THREADS CONTINUE! And let the wine flow, and the prarie dogs be caged and sold to middle-class asians as pets!
