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Bent over the coffee table, Blindy. squealed:
I just want to point out that Obama won by a bigger margin than Bush ever did. He has the largest country wide mandate we've seen for a first term president since any of us were born.

This is not a fluke. This is the real deal. We're looking at a huge sea change here.

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6% of the vote is a huge "mandate"? I'm not quite getting what you're saying, here.

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Bloodsage said:
6% of the vote is a huge "mandate"? I'm not quite getting what you're saying, here.

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I think he's talking about the electoral college vote rather than the popular vote.

I still don't know how your crazy-ass system works.

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We were all impressed when Bloodsage wrote:
6% of the vote is a huge "mandate"? I'm not quite getting what you're saying, here.

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Bush won in 2004 by less than 3 percent, and the next day Cheney gave a speech declaring it a large mandate. At least he has a better case than the vice president.

-6% is pretty huge for a presidential election (in these modern times), especially for a first term with no real third party effect.
-52% of the country is more than Reagan, Bush II, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, Kennedy... Well any 1st term president but Bush I (More of Reagan's success than his own) and LBJ (running against a man who's primary platform was pretty much to go to nuclear war with Russia) in the last 50 years.
-He didn't just win the blue states +1, he won Indiana, and Ohio, and Virginia, and Nevada. It was a country wide victory. It speaks louder than a similar popular outcome with only 271 EVs thanks to winning huge margins in states like California and New York.

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 11-05-2008 at 04:12 PM.

Howard Dean has done a surprising good job as Chairman of the DNC.

Please I want more right-wing, silly, end of the world posts! I need to be entertained!

Tyewa Dawnsister fucked around with this message on 11-05-2008 at 07:52 PM.

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Tyewa Dawnsister said:
Greetings,

This thread needs more Maradon, it's becoming an Obama love fest.

Please I want more right-wing, silly, end of the world posts! I need to be entertained!

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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Skaw was all like:
Haven't you guys heard? Maradon killed himself last night. GEEZ, thats why he hasn't been posting, you insensitive dicks.

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Ryuujin fucked around with this message on 11-05-2008 at 10:26 PM.

OBAMA HAS DESTROYED US.

Zair fucked around with this message on 11-05-2008 at 10:40 PM.

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Callalron had this to say about Cuba:
Well, I for one look forward to being able to say on the 20th of January 2009, "Well, as a citizen of a Socialist country..."

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Um, you could say it today if you want....

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If anyone honestly calls Obama or his policies a socialist, and don't acknowledge that by their same standards John McCain, George W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan were also socialists, they are fucking morons. FYI

Zair fucked around with this message on 11-05-2008 at 11:57 PM.

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Bricktop just needs a hug:
My favorite part was the old black guy they interviewed on CNN. He was 80something and had never voted before in his life. But something he couldn't describe just made him get up and register to vote and vote for Obama this time. But it wasn't because he was black. Nope.

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He clearly has dementia and didn't notice the ACORN workers behind him with a cattle prod.

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Callalron had this to say about Cuba:
Well, I for one look forward to being able to say on the 20th of January 2009, "Well, as a citizen of a Socialist country..."

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All modern Democracies provide some degree of social services to their citizens. The dispute is typically over how much should be supplied to maintain a minimum standard of living. It doesn't mean we're about to go Hitler on everyone and start burning Jews.

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This one time, at Hellbender camp:
All modern Democracies provide some degree of social services to their citizens. The dispute is typically over how much should be supplied to maintain a minimum standard of living. It doesn't mean we're about to go Hitler on everyone and start burning Jews.

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You know Hitler was a fascist, not a socialist..

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Kegwen had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Isn't it great that we live in a country where we can call people that disagree with us dirty names that are, at best, a distortion of reality?

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Fag.

oh wait

And Zair: Does you brain hear the stuff coming out of your mouth? Reagan a socialist? Please explain to the class how you arrived at this rather bizarre conclusion. Don't forget to show you work.

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 01:11 AM.

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We were all impressed when Callalron wrote:

And Zair: Does you brain hear the stuff coming out of your mouth? Reagan a socialist? Please explain to the class how you arrived at this rather bizarre conclusion. Don't forget to show you work.

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Read my other post carefully, I said Reagan is a socialist if you consider Obama a socialist. You could say that Obama is 3% MORE of a socialist, but then we are talking in insignificant degrees.

Name a policy Obama supports that shows he is a socialist please.

I want specifics. Failing that I want to know on what basis YOU consider Reagan a Socialist. And don't hand me that "3% more" bullshit either.

Callalron fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 01:32 AM.

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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Callalron said:
I call shenanigans. I asked you a direct question. What did Reagan do as President that could lead a person to consider him a Socialist?

I want specifics. Failing that I want to know on what basis YOU consider Reagan a Socialist. And don't hand me that "3% more" bullshit either.

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Ok, I will try a third fucking time to explain this: Reagan is a socialist only in the same sense that Obama is.

Example, both support a progressive tax system at least passively. This would be "spreading the wealth!!!"

My point was not "Reagan is a giant socialist". My point was that if you think Obama is a socialist by a global standard you are a retard who drinks up RNC talking points.

Zair fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 01:43 AM.

if we don't support the president NO MATTER WHAT we're anti-American!!! Never forget!!!!

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Kegwen had this to say about Punky Brewster:
but guys remember the lessons we learned post-9/11

if we don't support the president NO MATTER WHAT we're anti-American!!! Never forget!!!!

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I thought the lesson we learned after 9/11 was that if we didn't start bombing someone, ANYONE, then we were all unamerican.

Reagan's Economic Policies = A
Obama's Economic Policies = B
Socialism = C

You (Callalron) are saying B = C. Zair is saying A = B, and, by connection, A must equal C if A also is equal to B. He is not saying Reagan is a socialist because of his policies, but is saying Reagan and Obama's policies are alike, and since Obama is a Socialist, their similar policies would also make Reagan one. Easy way to prove Zair wrong here is to prove that Reagan and Obama aren't alike.

I am not saying I agree with any of this, simply pointing out what Zair is saying using MATH.

Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 05:55 AM.

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Callalron impressed everyone with:
I call shenanigans. I asked you a direct question. What did Reagan do as President that could lead a person to consider him a Socialist?

I want specifics. Failing that I want to know on what basis YOU consider Reagan a Socialist. And don't hand me that "3% more" bullshit either.

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Sigh, ha ha

YOU ARE WRONG ZAIR

What presidents support a progressive tax system, and at least passively support welfare and socialized medical care?

I'll give you a hint. FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, W, and Obama.

The ONLY difference between all of these presidents is to which degree they support these policies, and at that they vary only slightly. To call Obama a socialist because he supports these policies, when our country has a long, long history of supporting these policies is idiotic. And Obama's plans to expand these social programs aren't nearly as overarching as they've been made out to be. Letting people buy Health Insurance though the government at a discount is not the same thing as no one having health insurance because the government pays for everyone's health care directly, and anyone who claims otherwise is completely wrong.

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 08:37 AM.

So the whole comparison is pretty stupid.

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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Blindy. absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
A few points I'm making here-

-6% is pretty huge for a presidential election (in these modern times), especially for a first term with no real third party effect.
-52% of the country is more than Reagan, Bush II, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, Kennedy... Well any 1st term president but Bush I (More of Reagan's success than his own) and LBJ (running against a man who's primary platform was pretty much to go to nuclear war with Russia) in the last 50 years.
-He didn't just win the blue states +1, he won Indiana, and Ohio, and Virginia, and Nevada. It was a country wide victory. It speaks louder than a similar popular outcome with only 271 EVs thanks to winning huge margins in states like California and New York.

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Except for the die-hard liberal or conservative bastions, the races were very close. Claiming that there's some huge mandate when nearly 50% of the country voted against him--and that's what counts now, rather than electoral votes--is ridiculous.

He won, and it was historic, but it wasn't an overwhelming mandate by any stretch of the imagination.

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Verily, Bloodsage doth proclaim:
Except for the die-hard liberal or conservative bastions, the races were very close. Claiming that there's some huge mandate when nearly 50% of the country voted against him--and that's what counts now, rather than electoral votes--is ridiculous.

He won, and it was historic, but it wasn't an overwhelming mandate by any stretch of the imagination.

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Studying trends though, this is interesting:

We are definitely on a big left swing at the moment. And due to the economic collapse and Bush's approval ratings as president, it might last awhile.

Or the Democrats drop the ball big time and we have another 1994 election.

Zair fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 03:41 PM.

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From the book of Bloodsage, chapter 3, verse 16:
The easy answer to this one is that Reagan never quoted Marx or Marxist philosophy in describing his policies. I'm also pretty sure he didn't admit in his biography that he deliberately chose socialist professors so as not to be perceived as "selling out." There being, presumably, no need to worry about the perception of selling out unless one wanted to be identified with that crowd. I'm also pretty sure tha Reagan didn't surround himself with unabashed socialists and communists as a social group and spiritual advisors.

So the whole comparison is pretty stupid.

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So the best evidence is more association arguments.

Don't you at least think that people hurling the Socialist label at Obama are being ridiculous when only about a month ago we passed a massive bipartisan bailout bill to the banks?

I mean, if you label it all as Socialist, fine. But people are trying to act like Obama's economic policies are something especially new and scary. It is intellectually dishonest.

Zair fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 03:53 PM.

Funny, I guess I was remembering things differently. I'm just impressed by the fact that the guy carried a bunch of red states, is all.

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Zair startled the peaceful upland Gorillas, blurting:
So the best evidence is more association arguments.

Don't you at least think that people hurling the Socialist label at Obama are being ridiculous when only about a month ago we passed a massive bipartisan bailout bill to the banks?

I mean, if you label it all as Socialist, fine. But people are trying to act like Obama's economic policies are something especially new and scary. It is intellectually dishonest.

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Do you read?

He quotes Marx. That's not an association argument, for starters.

Second, what is it that makes you think he's a Reagan-era capitalist. . .who just happens to hang out with communists and says he doesn't want to be viewed as a sell out by socialists?

What is it, exactly, that makes you think that he's not socialist despite using Marx as a justification for tax policies? Would you find Reagan quoting Marx?

At least try to engage your brain, here.

Edit: You'll also notice I don't mention his policies. He doesn't have any policies; he has campaign promises, which, as we found out with the public financing thing, are meaningless. It's not a question of whether he's a socialist, it's a question how much of a socialst agenda he'll try to implement.

And OBTW, in any sentence complaining about Bush's approval rating one should also note that the Congress has a much lower approval rating. And now they'll have no one else to blame.

Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 11-06-2008 at 04:16 PM.

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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Blindy. gently hums:
Well doing a little bit of research, it seems that both GWB and Clinton won just as many states as Obama, although with 2-3% less popular vote.

Funny, I guess I was remembering things differently. I'm just impressed by the fact that the guy carried a bunch of red states, is all.

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That was rather my point.