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Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 08-02-2008 03:47:42 PM
quote:
Kegwen painfully thought these words up:
If you think the paladin changes are bad in any way, shape or form then you're just wrong

How are they changing paladins in regards to tanking? I've heard about the lack of Crushing Blows in WotLK which means not having to worry about keeping avoidance above the magic 103%, but that's about it.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 08-02-2008 04:10:46 PM
get thee to mmo-champion
Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 08-02-2008 04:45:17 PM
There's a big difference between knowing how numbers/abilities are changed and how the feel of the class has changed. I'm mostly looking for generalities, which reading newsposts on mmo-champion doesn't help with.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 08-02-2008 04:59:31 PM
Oh, well all I have to go off of is MMO-champion anyway so we'd be on equal footing
Mr. Parcelan
posted 08-02-2008 05:08:11 PM
quote:
How.... Dr. Gee.... uughhhhhh:
How are they changing paladins in regards to tanking? I've heard about the lack of Crushing Blows in WotLK which means not having to worry about keeping avoidance above the magic 103%, but that's about it.

All tanks are generating a lot more threat, so talents that increase threat, such as the +60% to Righteous Fury and the +15% to Defensive stance are totally gone.

Protection Paladins are getting a bunch of cleave/AoE attacks, thus making them still the best choice for multi-mob pulls. I gather Warriors, too, are getting a bunch of Protection talents (and not much else), while Druids get fucked again (except for Resto Druids, which are getting the best 1.5 sec heal, in addition to an OOC rez to go with their battle rez).

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 08-02-2008 05:15:06 PM
druids were and still are the best tanks for physical

kitty dips is getting buffed

moonkin are getting buffed

I seriously don't see how you're reaching these conclusions

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 08-02-2008 at 05:16 PM.

Maradon!
posted 08-02-2008 05:20:13 PM
Something you have to remember is that every aspect of every class is getting buffed.

If something is buffed, but not as much as the median, then in actuality it's being nerfed.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 08-02-2008 05:46:20 PM
if supposedly everyone is getting shafted then that has a pretty big impact on what the median actually is

I'm somewhat confident everything is going to end up pretty much fine except for warlocks because Blizzard seems to have no vision for them

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 08-02-2008 at 05:48 PM.

Maradon!
posted 08-02-2008 05:53:58 PM
This is probably one time when I should have said average instead of median.
Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 08-02-2008 07:29:41 PM
Mean, median, and mode, three of my very favorite things.
Willias
Pancake
posted 08-02-2008 08:05:17 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Dr. Gee said:
There's a big difference between knowing how numbers/abilities are changed and how the feel of the class has changed. I'm mostly looking for generalities, which reading newsposts on mmo-champion doesn't help with.

Reportedly from paladins in the beta: Holding aggro is easier than ever.

Playing with paladins in Utgarde and Nexus? I wouldn't want any other tank. Fact of the matter is: They take hits just as well, if not better, than a warrior, and hold aggro on an entire group of mobs better than anyone. Which is incredibly useful as a shadow priest because that means I can focus on a target all by myself and just nuke the hell out of one mob while Vampiric Embrace and Touch are making me generate lots of health and some mana.

Good news for warriors is that the protection tree is being adjusted so that the prot warrior can do more damage, and the arms and fury trees are being adjusted so that those warriors can do more damage as well, though Titan Grip looks like it may be more of a novelty than an actual dps increase.

Maradon!
posted 08-02-2008 09:26:57 PM
Yes, I group with paladin tanks frequently and even as a destro lock going balls out DPS, I don't pull aggro.

Sometimes I even literally play with my balls out.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-02-2008 at 09:27 PM.

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